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Woman Stabs to Death Two Attacking Pit Bulls
NBC Los Angeles ^ | May 25, 2014 | Jason Kandel and Tony Shin

Posted on 05/25/2014 1:16:57 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom

A woman used a filet knife to kill two pit bulls that got out of a yard while she was walking her dogs in a Southern California desert city.

Debbie Duran and a friend were walking her three German shepherds on Wednesday in Apple Valley when she said a pit bull charged them and began attacking her friend and her dog, Jodie. Another pit bull ran up seconds later.

"They had one thing in mind and that was to possibly kill me, to definitely kill my dogs," Duran said, adding that she carries the knife for protection.

But Kathy Suggs, the owner of the pit bulls, said Duran didn't have to kill her year-old dogs, Angel and JoJo.

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Then comes the predictable quote of the Pit Bull owner insisting her Pit Bulls (that attacked a person and a dog) were not a threat and that she can't understand why the woman being attacked did not back out of the way so she could try and stop her deadly Pit Bulls.

(Excerpt) Read more at nbcnews.com ...


TOPICS: Local News
KEYWORDS: california; knife; pitbull; pitbulls
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1 posted on 05/25/2014 1:16:57 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom
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To: gunsequalfreedom

“But they’re wonderful, friendly, gentle creatures.”


2 posted on 05/25/2014 1:18:57 PM PDT by Steely Tom (How do you feel about robbing Peter's robot?)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

No....she could have executed a warning stab. No doubt the bloodthirsty crazed NKA (Nat’l Knife Ass’n) had something to do with conditioning her evil mind to stab anything that moved. Her friends’ shepherd was lucky to have escaped.


3 posted on 05/25/2014 1:19:09 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (At no time was the Obama administration aware of what the Obama administration was doing)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

“She could’ve just cut off one leg.”


4 posted on 05/25/2014 1:22:13 PM PDT by Steely Tom (How do you feel about robbing Peter's robot?)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

Where’s that cat when you really need it?


5 posted on 05/25/2014 1:22:19 PM PDT by Michael.SF. (I never thought anyone could make Jimmy Carter look good in comparison)
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To: Steely Tom

That had to be a hell of a knife fight....... Ms Duran did good.


6 posted on 05/25/2014 1:23:58 PM PDT by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

...why the dogs just turned their lives around.


7 posted on 05/25/2014 1:24:31 PM PDT by exPBRrat
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To: Michael.SF.
Where’s that cat when you really need it?

Speaking of which...

http://www.tmz.com/2014/05/25/hero-cat-dog-euthanized-attack/

8 posted on 05/25/2014 1:24:43 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: gunsequalfreedom

She’s in CA. I forgive her for carrying a Henckels instead of a Kimber. But Californians are short sighted.


9 posted on 05/25/2014 1:25:15 PM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

“It’s the owner, not the dog, yada, yada, yada, yada.....”


10 posted on 05/25/2014 1:25:54 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

A warning stab! She didn’t have a double bladed edge weapon.


11 posted on 05/25/2014 1:26:02 PM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: exPBRrat

Did the dogs have jobs and were going to school in the evenings or taking online courses?


12 posted on 05/25/2014 1:26:50 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

Fatalities with knives are double those of guns.


13 posted on 05/25/2014 1:28:10 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

From the article - “Who walks around with a butcher knife? We all walk our dogs around here.”

Indeed who does walk around with a butcher knife? I prefer to carry a gun.


14 posted on 05/25/2014 1:28:22 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

Hope neither PB was wearing a hoodie...


15 posted on 05/25/2014 1:31:51 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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> But Kathy Suggs, the owner of the pit bulls, said Duran didn’t have to kill her year-old dogs, Angel and JoJo.

Duran should have finished the job.


16 posted on 05/25/2014 1:34:43 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: driftdiver
From the article - “Who walks around with a butcher knife? We all walk our dogs around here.” Indeed who does walk around with a butcher knife? I prefer to carry a gun.

Not allowed to fire a gun in Los Angeles County. The gun would have done her no good.

17 posted on 05/25/2014 1:35:33 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

Now I suppose the owner of the Pit Bulls have lawyers out ready for the wrongful death lawsuit.


18 posted on 05/25/2014 1:36:39 PM PDT by Vinylly (?%)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

“Did the dogs have jobs and were going to school in the evenings or taking online courses?”

No, but they were turning their lives around by becoming hip hoppers.


19 posted on 05/25/2014 1:37:55 PM PDT by kitkat (STORM HEAVEN WITH PRAYERS FOR OUR COUNTRY)
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To: driftdiver
From the article - “Who walks around with a butcher knife? We all walk our dogs around here.”

When walking in my non-leash law neighborhood, I carry a nice thick oak walking stick.

20 posted on 05/25/2014 1:40:37 PM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom
Two people, one carry a knife, plus 3 German Shepherds against 2 pit bulls? Most of our German Shepherds were VERY protective, and I wouldn't have been able to get to the pit bull with my weapon, with all 3 tearing it to pieces.

Kudos to the lady for have the guts to use her weapon, and the ability to make it effective.

I'm fully AGAINST anti-pit-bull suggestions... but these two did give up their right to cardio-respiration by attacking.

21 posted on 05/25/2014 1:43:42 PM PDT by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

I applaud anyone with good knife skills.

Same results, BTW, should be achievable with properly trained bare hands (though a knife would certainly be preferred.)


22 posted on 05/25/2014 1:44:50 PM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom
Suggs was fined $200 for having loose dogs, right after she watched her dog getting stabbed to death, while she was trying to intervene. Talk about adding insult to injury.

Hopefully she will be more careful about keeping her dogs under control in the future.

23 posted on 05/25/2014 1:49:23 PM PDT by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

No. But they were aspiring rappers.


24 posted on 05/25/2014 1:53:19 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

This Suggs woman should keep her damn mouth shut and be grateful she’s not going to jail. Imagine if Miss/Mrs Duran did not have her knife and she and her companion had been mauled or worse. I swear these irresponsible people who own attack breeds like pits and rottweilers need to make sure their dogs are leashed or secure inside.


25 posted on 05/25/2014 1:54:15 PM PDT by dowcaet
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To: gunsequalfreedom

This is the area where last year a woman jogger was mauled to death by a pack of pit bulls — ripping her arm out of its socket and scalping her. I don’t blame this woman one bit for not messing around.


26 posted on 05/25/2014 1:55:35 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Jack Hydrazine

LOL!


27 posted on 05/25/2014 1:56:28 PM PDT by Lizavetta
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Probably the dogs were wearing Hoodies and the woman is a racist.

to quote Mark cuban,,”anytime I see a dog wearing a Hoodie, I cross over to the other side of the street!”


28 posted on 05/25/2014 1:58:11 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie
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To: driftdiver

Gun laws in CA are ridiculous even if you have CC gun must be in the
trunk of your car ect.,ect., ect., next to impossible to get a CC in CA.


29 posted on 05/25/2014 2:01:23 PM PDT by Kit cat (OBummer must go)
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To: dagogo redux

You REALLY have to know what you are doing to handle a large aversive dog bare handed. And have some serious strength. Few do.

A knife evens those odds quite a bit.

Agree w you BTW.


30 posted on 05/25/2014 2:04:02 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Fatalities with knives are double those of guns.

Not exactly.

In 2011 8,583 murder victims in America were killed with guns, 1,694 with knives (or swords, axes, etc.).

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004888.html

31 posted on 05/25/2014 2:04:02 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: andyk

Nothing in the article about a semi-automatic assault knife either.


32 posted on 05/25/2014 2:08:00 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (At no time was the Obama administration aware of what the Obama administration was doing)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

see what happens when you outlaw pitbulls a concealed weapon permit? Hardly a fair fight, IMHO. /s


33 posted on 05/25/2014 2:12:37 PM PDT by llevrok (Say it loud ! - I'm straight and proud !!!)
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To: Michael.SF.

I read on another thread that that cat is going around just setting up dogs. That cat probably opened the gate and let the pit bulls out.


34 posted on 05/25/2014 2:15:49 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: dowcaet

Gosh, they never did that before.

http://dogbitelaw.com/dog-bite-statistics/the-breeds-most-likely-to-kill.html


35 posted on 05/25/2014 2:17:58 PM PDT by super7man
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To: dowcaet
I swear these irresponsible people who own attack breeds like pits and rottweilers need to make sure their dogs are leashed or secure inside.

The problem is they believe they are just lovable pets. You nailed it. They are attack breeds.

36 posted on 05/25/2014 2:48:26 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: driftdiver

Whats wrong with walking around with a knife? In this case it seemed to work quite well. And I personally think a knife would work better on an attacking dog than a gun. It would be easy to miss a small, fast dog with a gun.


37 posted on 05/25/2014 3:05:08 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: fwdude

“It’s the owner, not the dog”

Should read “It should have been the owner, not the dog”


38 posted on 05/25/2014 3:10:49 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Sherman Logan

People use guns much more than knives to protect themselves.

Guns have about a 35% fatality rate when used whereas knives are about 70%.


39 posted on 05/25/2014 3:15:48 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

There were 751,131 aggravated assaults in the US, broken down by percentage of type of weapon as follows (2011):

Firearm: 21.2%
Cutting weapons: 19.1%
Blunt objects: 32.8%
Hand/feet: 26.0%

Meanwhile, total murders in USA that year were 12,664.

Of that number 8,583 were committed by firearms, or 68%.

1,694 were committed using cutting weapons, or 13%.

It is entirely reasonable to assume that someone who sets out intending to commit murder is at least as likely to bring along a gun as a knife. It therefore seems reasonable to assume that if firearms and knives were equally deadly, much less knives twice as deadly, then the proportion of deaths by violence would be similar for the two classes of weapons, given that the number of aggravated assaults involving them is similar.

Yet, as you can easily see from the stats, the number of murders by firearm is 5.2x that for cutting instruments.

I agree there are problems with this analysis, but I think it comes about as close as any to figuring which type of weapon is deadlier. Being attacked with a gun is roughly 5x more likely to result in your death than being attacked with a knife.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/violent-crime/violent-crime


40 posted on 05/25/2014 4:34:36 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: gunsequalfreedom
Typical fillet knife.

Importantly, a good argument can be made that a serrated knife will inflict a far more traumatic, and harder to repair injury than a smooth blade; and because of its serrations is more likely to "grab" the surface thus insuring a cut, as well as cutting through multiple layers of fabric.

41 posted on 05/25/2014 4:37:19 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

If it had been our neighborhood each PB would have received a .40 cal to the head.


42 posted on 05/25/2014 4:57:06 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Teacher317

german shepherd vs. pit bull,
not sure how that would work out. we had a golden retriever that bit the hell out of a shepherd a couple years back. and i don’t consider that breed at all tough.

i guess it depends on the dog and the training.

now that i think of it, we did have a couple hog hunting dogs, one a rott-lab cross that was a ferocious 125 pounder. nice to people but brutal on wild hogs.


43 posted on 05/25/2014 5:20:10 PM PDT by beebuster2000
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To: Sherman Logan
In 2011 8,583 murder victims in America were killed with guns, 1,694 with knives (or swords, axes, etc.).

thanks for that clarification. was wondering myself, although surprised the gun murder rte is low, it bought 15,000 people a year got shot. or is that just killed, not shot?

44 posted on 05/25/2014 5:22:26 PM PDT by beebuster2000
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To: gunsequalfreedom

i’m sorry’if the dogs are attacking the owner’s lost control and if i am being attacked i’m not waiting for her to get control back, as i’m not a f@cking chew toy for your damn dogs.


45 posted on 05/25/2014 5:22:42 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Teacher317

Our German Shepherds should be able to stand off a Pit.My male Rottweiler would destroy a Pit in short order.Of course my model 19 would settle them down real quick.


46 posted on 05/25/2014 5:33:57 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

Filet knife? A cut to the quick device..

I’d use a fire hydrant if I could break it loose

Not sure if they make holsters for them tho.


47 posted on 05/25/2014 5:54:39 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Revolution is a'brewin!!!)
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To: Farmer Dean

Hmm... I saw a Doberman open wide jaws like a Cobra and crush the head of German Shepperd... Same Dobberman would lose to a pit bull...


48 posted on 05/25/2014 6:32:32 PM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: lavaroise
Our Shepherds are German and Austrian imports.Our female Shepherd is a natural guard and really capable.I don't think the Doberman would want to make her acquittance.
The Rottie is well socialized and loves people,but he's a discerning guy who can read a person.As far as I can tell,he not afraid of anything.
49 posted on 05/25/2014 6:47:35 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Farmer Dean

I guess there are huge Shepherds out there. good point.


50 posted on 05/25/2014 9:59:51 PM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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