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God won’t save us: Memorial Day, honest history and our new military-industrial complex
Salon ^ | SUNDAY, MAY 25, 2014 | Patrick L. Smith

Posted on 05/26/2014 9:53:19 AM PDT by drypowder

Americans believe we are guided by divine providence. Obama's strange presidency shows the work of something else

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: silentcoup

1 posted on 05/26/2014 9:53:19 AM PDT by drypowder
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To: drypowder
Short summary:
Is Obama spending too much on the military, expanding the DOD and related departments to an unprecedented extent, doing everything he can to benefit big military contractors like Northrop, Lockheed, Boeing and Raytheon?

Answer:
No.

2 posted on 05/26/2014 9:57:25 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein!)
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To: drypowder
God won’t save us

Who says?

America has been in great peril in times past. Divine Providence has always been with her despite the naysayers. God's purpose for America may have yet be fulfilled.

3 posted on 05/26/2014 9:57:55 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: drypowder
Obama has no desire to save America.
4 posted on 05/26/2014 9:58:14 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: drypowder

Wow, Salon’s articles are literally written by monkeys.

I am impressed


5 posted on 05/26/2014 10:00:25 AM PDT by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.- Sarah Palin)
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To: PapaNew

God won’t save us

God may even save Patrick L. Smith. God has big plans for America.


6 posted on 05/26/2014 10:05:17 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: drypowder
Americans believe we are guided by divine providence.

Guided by Divine Providence? Doesn't anyone over at Salon own a dictionary?

7 posted on 05/26/2014 10:09:08 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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To: PapaNew

With america as the movie capital, porn capital, music capital, and mammon business capital (just a few off the top of the head) of the secular humanism world - a modern day global influential Sodom, Gomorrah, Egypt and Babylon with even the global headquarters of the United Nations within its borders to boot...
all in one, you are right.. His purpose for the nation is not finished...

It seems the purpose of this nation is to give more people in the world more ‘freedom and liberty’ so they too can become secular humanists and get draw away from the Elohim of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob- and the freedom and liberty He provides..

that mission is right on schedule.gay marriage is just one of those markers people can see today....

and certainly our Creator would not have that as a purpose for a nation who fears Him and obeys Him..

Problem really is that americans think we are on God’s side..

It doesnt end well for any sodoms, gomorrahs, egypt’s or babylons..all 4 combined?

Sackcloth and ashes.. that is america’s future..


8 posted on 05/26/2014 10:28:42 AM PDT by delchiante
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To: mountainlion



9 posted on 05/26/2014 10:29:11 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: drypowder

Show me a country América hasn’t helped and or Improved by our Christian ideals and precisely because God moves us to help.

Then consider the world has been vastly Improved by our inventiveness.

Ice Cubes = Cold Beer and Ice Cold Pepsi.

Coca-Cola too.

Levis

American Pie. Not just the movie but, the kind that has cinnamon in the crust.

Ketchup for french fries.

McDonald’s

Cowboy movies.

Billy Graham


10 posted on 05/26/2014 10:33:34 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: delchiante

God’s judgement and condemnation 2000 years ago on his beloved Son for the sins of the whole world including America’s ushered in the New Covenant and put God on our side.


11 posted on 05/26/2014 10:43:47 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: drypowder

GOD’S WAYS are FAR ABOVE our Understanding

God does chastise those he loves.

that being said there’s a distinct possibility that Obama is a part of a chastening process.


12 posted on 05/26/2014 11:01:10 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: drypowder
The thrust of the article has nothing to do with God. It is a description of events leading to what the author characterizes as silent coup by bureaucracy, at least with respect to intelligence matters and matters of the War On Terror.

The reason Gates was chosen by 0bama for SecDef was not any subtle agreement that 0bama and his staff would concentrate on domestic matters and leave the international ones to the apparatchiks, but that his team had literally no one up to the job. We are only now becoming aware of just how very shallow and incompetent this team of ideological wonks turned out to be in terms of management of government, but it was written in stone from the very beginning for anyone to see.

This team's core skills are the acquisition of power and the manipulation of information necessary to maintain it. It is at that point that what the author terms The Program becomes integrated with the domestic aspirations of the 0bama team. Surveillance on every American? Private military forces for sundry departments of the federal government? Those may or may not be useful in any War on Terror but they certainly are jolly useful for war on domestic political opposition.

I disagree with the author's thesis insofar as any absolution of the 0bama administration through sheer incompetence. On the contrary, they're very much in charge of the "drone murders", et al. The notion of 0bama allowing the apparatchiks their head if only they will allow him similar latitude within the country ignores the fact that it's all one large machine now despite the window dressing.

Clearly this intelligence machine is something the author hoped would be reformed by 0bama despite the complete absence of any background, skills, or accomplishments in that arena by any of "the ones we've been waiting for." That tells you more about the author's credulity than anything else. It wasn't, in fact, but neither are its apparatchiks running loose with the ball. So far as it is useful to the Democrats, it will remain.

13 posted on 05/26/2014 11:02:08 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill

The article is a tangle of pseudointellectual babble that makes no sense. The left can do nothing more than conjure up some imaginary coup as explanation for a foreign and military policy gone terribly wrong. To do anything else would require pointing fingers at the man at the helm, Obama. Since none of this can possibly be Mr. Obama’s fault, it must be the work of a secret crew of Bush holdovers. Unfortunately for the argument, no such holdovers exist. The left is firmly in control of the State Department, CIA, and the civilian upper echelon of the Pentagon. The generals are following the military principle of deference to civilian control of the military.

Their is no silent coup, just an idiot in the White House pulling the strings of power with no concept of what he is doing.


14 posted on 05/26/2014 11:20:23 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: centurion316

You got it. That’s what I was trying to say. BTT


15 posted on 05/26/2014 11:29:47 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: PapaNew

Repent and believe and If you love Me, obey My commandments are not the national mottos...

And the in god we trust motto we have is interesting considering the occultic layouts in capitol city of D.C.
Some god is ‘blessing’ america.. and the evidence points to the god of this world..

This isn’t a messiah led nation...

55 million unborn children snuffed out at the altar of america’s freedom and liberty in just the last 40 years, without repentance, is not a track America, if messiah led, would stay on...

That track ends just like Psalm 9:17 says.
The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.


16 posted on 05/26/2014 12:11:18 PM PDT by delchiante
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To: delchiante
The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.

Yes, and thank God Jesus has already done tha for all of us. God's mercy and grace is available to "whosoever will believes in him" regardless of their works (Rom 3:28). Many in America believe in Him and look to Him for help. Your gospel of condemnation is not the gospel of the grace of Christ and stands doubly accursed (Gal 1:6:-9).

17 posted on 05/26/2014 12:24:12 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: ClearCase_guy
I speak Russian and ever since the Ukrainian thing began a few months ago I have been keeping an eye on federal jobs posted that require knowledge of the Russian language as a sort of indirect way to monitor the Obama Administration's response.

I believe that every federal job is supposed to be posted here, although I think that oftentimes jobs are not. So, admittedly, maybe I'm missing a few.

I have seen only a few jobs requiring knowledge of Russian posted - most for things like bi-lingual phone reps for the Social Security Administration or National Park tour guides and things like that. Only a couple in any way related to national security.

Check it out: today, there were ZERO jobs posted that required Russian language skills. I urge all to go to www.usajobs.gov and see for themselves.

Nada. Zippo. Nyet!

I'm really shocked. Maybe I shouldn't be, but I mean after Putin annexed the Crimea and started threatening to take more Ukrainian territory I was expecting some sort of sign that things were gearing up for some kind of credible confrontation. But no.

This is hardly the portrait of an administration deeply engaged in countering Russian aggression. I'm sure that the Russians must know this. The Obama Administration clearly isn't interested in confronting Russia in any meaningful way.

18 posted on 05/26/2014 1:57:41 PM PDT by Gluteus Maximus
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To: Gluteus Maximus

Very interesting observation. As you note, this is not the sort of thing that would escape the notice of the Russians.


19 posted on 05/26/2014 5:23:03 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Indeed. Putin can only be emboldened by this. I can’t help but think that I’m missing something. There must be a larger deal that somebody cut someplace. Else, how could this be happening?


20 posted on 05/26/2014 6:49:50 PM PDT by Gluteus Maximus
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To: PapaNew

Satan and the demons also believe that the Messiah of Israel is Joshua.

That wont matter to them..

‘Repent and believe’ message the Messiah preached is a slightly different gospel america likes which is the ‘believe and receive’ message that has kind of taken out the need for ‘repentance’...

And lawlessness will not be rewarded...
Grace is not license to continue to murder...

Revelation 22:13-15
13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.
14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

15 BUT OUTSIDE are Dogs and Sorcerers and Sexually Immoral and Murderers and Idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.


21 posted on 05/26/2014 6:56:42 PM PDT by delchiante
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To: delchiante
Your accusations are thousands of years old, nothing new. "We shall continue in sin that grace may abound" (Rom 6:1), they accused Paul of saying. Paul's answer: "God forbid. How shall we that are dead to sin live any longer in sin?" (vs.2).

Your doubly cursed gospel that is "another gospel" (Gal 1:6-9) does "despite to the Spirit of grace." Your cursed "other gospel" tries to put people back under the law which Jesus Christ delivered us from (Rom 7:6). The condemnation of the law you preach makes the sin problem in people worse becasue "the law is the strength of sin" (1 Cor 15:56).

Because of Jesus' perfect sacrifice, we are under the new covenant whereby God declares, "I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more (Heb 8:12; 10:17). Now he set up the new covenant of the gospel of the grace of Christ without your consultation or permission. It's your business if you insist on making "Christ of no effect" (Gal 5:4) but quit trying to put others into the same bondage with your unscriptural, cursed gospel.

22 posted on 05/26/2014 7:50:46 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: PapaNew

The gospel of repent and believe is quite old..
Mark 1:14-15
Joshua Begins His Galilean Ministry

14 Now after John was put in prison, Joshua came to Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom[a] of God, 15 and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. REPENT, AND BELIEVE in the good news.”

Mathew 4:17 From that time Joshua began to preach, saying, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand

I am glad you used Hebrews as a text because I will continue to fully state that verse.

Hebrews 10:14-31
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

15 Whereof the Holy Spirit also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Joshua,

20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

21 And having an high priest over the house of God;

22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for He is faithful that promised;)

24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

26 For if we SIN WILLFULLY after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

28 He that despised Moses’ law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Brother, repentance is not a bad word..

Paul uses it again in Acts 20:21 21 - I have declared to both Jews and Greeks that they must turn to God in repentance and have faith in our sovereign Joshua.

The laws are in our hearts and minds now... not on some ledger to keep account as it was back then..and certainly not done away with..(Our Savior bound a couple while He walked with us).
The Day of Atonement was fulfilled when our Sovereign was dedicated on that day as a babe and most certainly as the spotless lamb...

The Holy Spirit convicts us of our sin as believers- King James 2000 Bible
And when he is come, he will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: John 16:8

And we are warned not to grieve the Holy Spirit
King James 2000 Bible
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, by whom you are sealed unto the day of redemption. Ephesians 4:30

Go and sin no more is as much a commandment as love your neighbor as yourself...and it isn’t a condemnation as you appear to make it..

He forgives us like He did the adulteress woman when she was sentenced to death..
Sin has condemned us to die.. Our Savior gives us life free from sin.. we are no longer slaves to the sinful nature..

What is wrong with repentance? Holy spirit leads us to it... we cannot know how Holy He is without knowing how sinful we are and what our sins did...

And just like the adulteress who He did not condemn.. He simply says, Go and sin no more..

Conviction of sin is a holy spirit work in every believer.repentance is an understanding of what our sin cost and repentance should lead to a mind, heart and life transformation...
My sin is an abomination in the eyes of our Holy Heavenly Father.. And I am not able to have fellowship with Him, without the Messiah as my Savior.... I don’t know that unless the Holy Spirit has convicted me of my sin...
No judge will convict you of lust in this country, but the Messiah came down here and tightened up that ‘law’ ( He loosened the Sabbath while He as here)

Repentance is I now know that I am a sinner and I have been convicted and sentenced... I have been given a free gift, undeserved, that says someone has paid the debt I owe and I am wiped clean.. I have the promise of eternal life and can fulfill my only purpose to exist - To have eternal fellowship with my Creator, which was lost by Adam..another promise is I now have a helper, who will live in me and guide me and comfort me and help me to live a life as a holy, living sacrifice, in service to my new Master and not my old master...
I am now no longer a slave to the sin, because I have been redeemed and now a bondservant to the Messiah who purchased me..

Why on earth, would I want to live in wilfull sin after knowing what I have been freed from?
I am freed from Egypt and have gone into the promised land.. forever to be in fellowship with my Heavenly Father.

That doesn’t happen without repentance...I am not going to be a perfect, sinless man but grace again, isn’t license-now knowing what my sin cost, to continue to have the same mind, heart, life I had after being ‘convicted’ of my sin in this life, is not repentance...

I have received a promise to get what Adam lost and what my sin caused.. eternal separation from our Creator to do what He made us for- Fellowship with Him..
So I do my best to go and sin no more..

And getting back to America, where this all started... there is no mind, heart, and life transformation of conviction that what it is doing is against the Elohim of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob...

Turn to our Heavenly Father in repentance AND faith in the Sovereign Joshua the Messiah ....

Ninevah we could be...


23 posted on 05/26/2014 10:44:17 PM PDT by delchiante
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To: delchiante
Repentance is a good thing. But what is repentance? It means "a changed mind." And the Bible says it is the goodness of God that leads us to repentance. How does his goodness lead us to repentance?

First, he has to bring us to Christ. THAT and THAT ALONE is the purpose of the law - to show you that you can't keep the law and that you need Christ (Gal 3:23-24). Once you've come to Christ, the law has served it purpose. The law can take you no further than to show you your lack and bring you to Christ. So before you came to Christ you were under the law but after you come to Christ you are no longer under the law (Rom 6:14; 7:4,6).

Once you are in Christ you have been delivered from the law and are dead to the law(Rom 7:4,6; Gal 2:9). The law taught you all it could teach you. Now that you are in Christ what teaches you? Grace teaches you (Titus 2:11-13). The same grace of the new covenant that washes your sins continually by the blood of Christ because of his one, eternal sacrifice (Heb 10:12) teaches us and delivers us from sin (Rom 6:14). That is truly the goodness of God that continually leads us to learn more about Christ and change our minds about things every day.

So the law is a schoolmaster to teach us to come to Christ and grace teaches how to live in reliance and trust in Christ every day. That is how God leads us to repentance. Now we are under grace, free of all condemnation regardless of what we do because we are under the new covenant whereby he no longer remembers any of our sins and iniquities because of His Son's one, perfect, and eternal sacrifice. Grace is not a license to sin but a license FROM sin (Rom 6:14) and you are righteous AS A GIFT (Rom 5:17), not because of what you do but because of what he did (Rom 4:6; Titus 3:5).

The law is for babies and immature children. When children come to your house, you have to tell them who need to be told "don't touch this" or "don't play in the street." But you don't say that to adults that come to you house. In the same way, scripture says that it is the immature that are under the law (Gal 4:1-3). Also if you are under the law, you are under the curse (Gal 3:10) but Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law (Gal 3:13).

Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage (Gal 5:1).

24 posted on 05/27/2014 9:00:12 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: delchiante

If God doesn’t judge this country, he owes Sodom and Gomorrah an apology.


25 posted on 05/27/2014 9:02:58 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: mountainlion
God has big plans for America.

Says who? I don't see it.

And our reaction to 9/11 (being identical with Israel's reaction to invasion in Isaiah 9) indicates we are done.

26 posted on 05/27/2014 9:04:41 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: delchiante
Problem really is that americans think we are on God’s side..

No--The problem is that Americans think God is on our side.

27 posted on 05/27/2014 9:05:26 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: PapaNew

From Our Sovereign Master warning us who is not in the Kingdom...

Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

We keep lying, committing adultery, idolatry, murdering, dishonoring our parents, etc after receiving ‘grace’, we are not a repentant believer and we would be committing lawlessness..

And that is why some people who even believe the Messiah died for the sins of the world will hear-
Many will say to me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ And  yet  then I will confess to them: I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness.”  (Matt 7:22,23).

repentance is a changed life...not just mind..it is a doing thing... just like love is an action word, so is repentance...
And we get all the help we need...

We have a new master and His rules are easy and His burden is light..really is...

And the Spirit inside us, His Spirit, will keep us convicted of every sin we commit.. not condemn us like the law did, but convict us and tell us no more...

No more lusting, no more murdering, no more lying- living victorious in the Spirit, not in the flesh, which is dead..a brand new person.. not the old person with a new ‘get out of destruction’ card...

Repent and redemption isn’t a ‘I am free to do what I want’ thing.. it is ‘I am free to do what He wants’ because fellowship and pleasing Him, my new master, is most important..and all of His teachings, like repentance again, is not a ‘knowing thing’- it is a ‘doing’ thing...

Life is no longer about ‘me’, here and now..
It is about Him, His Kingdom and spending eternity in His Kingdom with Him..and He spent His ministry here telling us what the Kingdom is and what it isn’t..and He himself warned the path is narrow...

Some believers don’t like the narrow path message but He taught it.. as believers, He gave us more commandments, not less. His sermon on the mount is one big commandment...

And I hope one can realize repent is essential and not some cursed doctrine or false message as you claimed earlier..our Savior taught it... and His Spirit convicts to bend to it and His Will.
And some will resist.

Our Savior himself used a form of the word, repent, about 30 times in Scripture..
And it as used over 100 times total..

We are unable to keep the law.. it does not mean we willfully break that law which our Savior died to save us from- which is defined as sin...

The chains of sin are broken in a believer. The old master is out... we are not to go back to bondage of slavery in Egypt..and we dont have to live in the wilderness either.. Canaan is available to believers...the hidden manna and white stone is available..

I don’t live in bondage of sin or law..but I enjoy doing His commandments.they are not mutually exclusive...I am not a legalistic pharisee.
I am a gentile believer set free from the rules that the Nicolaitan’s lord over the people like the Pharisees of Messiah’s time..

I don’t belong to any church..He has drawn me away from church.
I have no high priest other than my Messiah..
He has shown me His timekeeping, His Sabbath and His holy days and I truly enjoy the learning..
He has drawn me away from the counterfeit world, closer to Him..
Scripture is not a reading assignment, it is a learning (or unlearning) process..

And those are blessing for believing and trusting completely in Him..
Not in me or the law..

I do His teachings not because I want to get to heaven and prove I am good..
I am not good.
I do what He says for me to the best of my ability, with His grace, because He has purchased me from my old master-.
None of us have any hope in that old master to have fellowship with our Heavenly Father.
Only one Way, Truth and Life.
.
I thank Him for the chastenings and the convictions that lead me closer to His holyness.. and because I am not ignorant of the law and commandments He gives throughout His word, I am able to see just what price my sins cost - and I am reminded of that with each trespass..
And best part about it is, I am also reminded He has forgiven me and I can live regret free..

Now go, and sin no more..
Thank You and Praise You Master Joshua, Savior of this wretch called me.

HalleluYah....

1 john 2:1-6 Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him, but whoever keeps his word, in him truly the love of God is perfected. By this we may know that we are in him:


28 posted on 05/27/2014 10:30:31 AM PDT by delchiante
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To: delchiante
Now go, and sin no more..

And Jesus demonstrated and the gospel of grace teaches that the only way to "sin no more" is by first hearing "I [Jesus] do not condemn you" (John 8:11).

29 posted on 05/27/2014 11:35:43 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: PapaNew

Salvation is a free gift of His grace and He has set up His covenant of grace..

He didnt come to condemn, but to save,, Man either accepts or rejects His grace..
So anyone can forfeit their right to the covenant of grace.

And by the way,
America has rejected it..and I expect that the secular humanists in the leadership have no need to repent..they have their god of government where they have placed their trust.

And as long as there is breath in them and the Spirit has not been taken out of this world that convicts one of their need for the Savior for their sins, there is always hope that even one sinner , in Luke 15:7 Messiah declares,
‘I tell you, in the same way, there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over 99 righteous people who don’t need repentance.’
.
America is going in the opposite direction.. and scripture is not kind to those nations...


30 posted on 05/27/2014 3:29:06 PM PDT by delchiante
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To: delchiante
America is going in the opposite direction.. and scripture is not kind to those nations...

God's grace wouldn't be grace if God was only kind to those who are going in his direction.

"But God commends his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us" (Rom 5:8).

31 posted on 05/27/2014 3:42:17 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: PapaNew

God’s gift of grace is only of ‘value’ to those who know what it cost and how valuable it really is..

If I gave one $100 bill to a man who lived in a system where only bartering of goods was the norm, he has no concept of the value of that paper money.
He could accept it, reject outright or take it and then give it back after wondering if he can do anything with it ..maybe use it to wipe his hands or nose, who knows...

It could seem worthless to him..

Its value doesn’t change, and his potential rejection of it in ignorance, doesn’t affect the value of the gift.

The gift is priceless to those who accept it, worthless to those who reject it , and has been devalued and deemed ‘not worth it’ by the ones who first accept it, then hand it back..


32 posted on 05/28/2014 2:16:41 AM PDT by delchiante
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To: delchiante
There are many Christians who hold on to the law because they're unwilling to accept that they are utterly without righteousness and have nothing in themselves that are redemptive. It's one thing to say I need Christ and receive him for salvation. It's another thing to admit afterwards that I have nothing good or righteous in myself (Rom 7:18).

Jesus said he that is forgiven much loves much and he that is forgiven little loves little (Luke 7:47). Does that mean some have more sin that others. Not really. It means there are those that accept God's grace and righteousness entirely as a gift and there are others who don't because they're still holding on to their own "goodness."

God didn't take Israel from Egypt straight to the promised land. They had to go through the wilderness. That generation failed to reach the promised land because of their self-righteousness which is ALWAYS of the law (Philippians 3:9). Likewise, many Christians (although they are going to Heaven) fail to reach their God-given destiny here on earth because they still try to be justified by the law and, therefore, they are fallen from grace, Christ having become of no effect to them on a day-by-day basis (Gal 5:4). They therefore fail to live the promise of reigning in life, victorious and strong (Rom 5:17), because only Christ is our victory.

The way out of that mess is to start realizing God loves and accepts you unconditionally no matter what you do. Soak in his love for you long enough, and the need for self-righteousness begins to fall off like filthy rags slipping off an oily surface.

33 posted on 05/28/2014 8:03:19 AM PDT by PapaNew
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