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I bought my degree, now I want my job!...
National Post ^ | May 25, 2014 | Sarah Boesveld

Posted on 05/26/2014 2:14:34 PM PDT by rickmichaels

University students who complain until they get a better grade and view their professors as employees are on the fast track to becoming dissatisfied and disgruntled once they land a job, suggests new research that links academic entitlement with inflated expectations in the workplace.

Amy Peirone, a phD candidate in sociology who this week will present her research at the Congress of the Social Sciences and Humanities conference in St. Catharines, Ont., surveyed more than 1,000 University of Windsor students, resulting in a research paper called “I Bought my Degree, Now I Want My Job!”

Ms. Peirone had the students answer a 94-item online survey about their own academic experiences, which asked them to agree or disagree with statements such as “It’s OK to make demands on a professor so he makes exceptions for me,” or “the tuition I pay entitles me to a passing grade.”

(Excerpt) Read more at news.nationalpost.com ...


TOPICS: Education; Society
KEYWORDS: education

1 posted on 05/26/2014 2:14:34 PM PDT by rickmichaels
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To: rickmichaels

I paid for my driver’s license now somebody owes me a car.


2 posted on 05/26/2014 2:19:42 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: cripplecreek

You can pick it up at the “Cash For Klunkers” government web site.


3 posted on 05/26/2014 2:21:38 PM PDT by SkyDancer (I Believe In The Law Until It Intereferes With Justice. And Pay Your Liberty Tax Citizen.)
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To: rickmichaels; All

Let the buyer beware.


4 posted on 05/26/2014 2:21:44 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: rickmichaels

having taught college classes I’ve seen plenty of this attitude. Unfortunately the school will go along with the student, no matter how poor his performance, to keep the tuition dollars rolling in.


5 posted on 05/26/2014 2:22:20 PM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: rickmichaels

This is so bad. The kids wanted change, well they have it.


6 posted on 05/26/2014 2:24:31 PM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/ ?s)
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To: rickmichaels
Hey, promises were made... over and over and over... go to college AND YOU WILL get a good job!

And now everyone is surprised when those that were promised demand what they were promised...

7 posted on 05/26/2014 2:24:45 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: rickmichaels

Maybe not getting a degree wasn’t so bad.


8 posted on 05/26/2014 2:25:11 PM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: Mad Dawgg

Nice.


9 posted on 05/26/2014 2:26:34 PM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: rickmichaels

And just think if they had skipped the Ivy League and just attended trade school or apprenticed they would be making up to 6 figures as master electricians, plumbers, auto mechanics, etc. But when you’ve just got to have that Harvard degree, fancy suit, fancy car, inflated ego and sense of entitlement, enormous student debt and your parents basement I guess they say it’s worth it.


10 posted on 05/26/2014 2:33:32 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (If you lined up the best and brightest of this administration, you'd just have a string of dim bulbs)
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To: andyk

About two thirds of American college students would be better served by trade schools.


11 posted on 05/26/2014 2:41:32 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: ViLaLuz
having taught college classes I’ve seen plenty of this attitude. Unfortunately the school will go along with the student, no matter how poor his performance, to keep the tuition dollars rolling in.

My wife faces the same crap. And by crap I mean students and administration. Both are useless.

Hoss

12 posted on 05/26/2014 2:42:28 PM PDT by HossB86 (Christ, and Him alone.)
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To: ViLaLuz
I had two such situations during my college teaching days. If they tried to go over my head, I never heard about it ... perhaps because I was in the hard sciences, where facts still meant something.
13 posted on 05/26/2014 2:46:32 PM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: cripplecreek

LOL - brilliant!

PS - Do you live in Colorado? I was up in Cripple Creek last week...


14 posted on 05/26/2014 2:50:37 PM PDT by LittleBillyInfidel (This tagline has been formatted to fit the screen. Some content has been edited.)
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To: rickmichaels
Ms. Peirone believes universities and even future employers should do a better job of conveying the realities of the job market. She recalls one professor telling her a graduate student’s expected pay grade for a job out of school: $80,000.

“That student had no experience,” she said.

How ironic that immediately to the right of this part of the article was a photograph depicting where said student may actually wind up working:


15 posted on 05/26/2014 2:52:23 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: Amendment10
<caveat emptor>

They don't teach that any more.
16 posted on 05/26/2014 2:54:46 PM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: rickmichaels

mark


17 posted on 05/26/2014 2:55:21 PM PDT by delacoert
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To: rickmichaels

Degree is no good if you can’t read and write and still count on your fingers. Suckers!


18 posted on 05/26/2014 2:55:30 PM PDT by Texicanus (Texas, it's a whole 'nother country.)
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To: andyk

Years and years ago, a friend of mine got out of the military and also came out with a bookkeeping certificate too.

He applied for a job as an entry level bookkeeper at a manufacturing facility but lost out to a female with a BA in accounting. Oh well he thought, more education won out and to a point AA.

A few months later, the woman had been fired. The reason was that she could not do long division with a pencil.


19 posted on 05/26/2014 3:03:20 PM PDT by wally_bert (There are no winners in a game of losers. I'm Tommy Joyce, welcome to the Oriental Lounge.)
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To: rickmichaels
Here's a partial defense of the students.

Many years ago, when I was getting my degree in chemistry, I stopped by the student advisory center to pick up the chem degree requirements sheet. I sure didn't want to come up one class short at graduation time.

At the bottom of the chem degree sheet was a list of all the jobs you were eligible for, once you got a degree in chemistry (Analytical Chemist, Pharmaceutical Sales Rep, etc.) Out of curiosity, I then took a look at the history degree sheet.

There were more job titles listed for history majors than were listed for chemistry majors! No mention of how few of those jobs were available. Just a list of job after job.

So, yes, college students are young adults, and they must do their own research on the job market. But the liars at the student advisory center weren't making things any easier.

20 posted on 05/26/2014 3:23:24 PM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: ViLaLuz
having taught college classes I’ve seen plenty of this attitude. Unfortunately the school will go along with the student, no matter how poor his performance, to keep the tuition dollars rolling in.

Unfortunately, quite commonplace for YEARS! I haven't taught College Courses in almost 30 years but, in my experience at two colleges, I had "Deans" demand that I grant selected students a passing grade! In all cases, I told them that the "Grade assigned was well earned!" They coul do whatever they felt THEY had to do!

21 posted on 05/26/2014 3:26:39 PM PDT by ExSES (the "bottom-line")
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To: rickmichaels

A University should have a limit on educated idiots.


22 posted on 05/26/2014 3:42:51 PM PDT by Vaduz
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To: ExSES
I had "Deans" demand that I grant selected students a passing grade! In all cases, I told them that the "Grade assigned was well earned!"

So it is YOUR fault the team lost its star player before the big game?

23 posted on 05/26/2014 3:46:14 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Mad Dawgg
Hey, promises were made... over and over and over... go to college AND YOU WILL get a good job!

Yep, since I was knee-high to a grasshopper.

24 posted on 05/26/2014 3:49:27 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: RetiredTexasVet

*raises hand* that’s me. I guess that makes me a stupid hillbilly working man who doesn’t get to wear a suit to work.


25 posted on 05/26/2014 4:35:34 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: rickmichaels

This is the 21st century version of the 20th century meme of the under skilled dimwit, “Okay, I bought my union card. Now I want my job.” It didn’t work well then. It will work no better now.


26 posted on 05/26/2014 4:44:26 PM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel (Have a wonderful day!)
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To: rickmichaels

They are not all like that. I hire some of these kids
part time to help me when I need it. They work great and
hard as long as you don’t put them around wetbacks. It’s
just something about citizens working side by side with
wetbacks. I tell them that is what your government thinks
about you. When a certain percentage of the population
is forced to compete in the work force with wetbacks and the government favors the wetbacks and the wetbacks know it, how
can you expect people to want to do those jobs. To some
people a collage degree doesn’t do much good and they would
be better of blue collar but, all the fields are flooded
with wetbacks so they have no choice. Why should we be
forced with an illegal permanent underclass that is forced
on us by our own government.

To round it off short, if these sniveling little wienies
went through a thorough apprenticeship in a trade, they
would be a lot better off and a lot better people.


27 posted on 05/26/2014 5:01:43 PM PDT by Slambat
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To: rickmichaels

Just the thing for a Memorial Day posting!!

These poor deluded halfwit wussified pukes demand what they really don’t deserve, while I could show them 58,000 plus names of young men who never got the chance to do what these pukes have done.

And these are going to be a returning GI’s supervisor???


28 posted on 05/26/2014 5:22:19 PM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: RetiredTexasVet

“And just think if they had skipped the Ivy League and just attended trade school or apprenticed they would be making up to 6 figures as master electricians, plumbers, auto mechanics, etc.”

Other than the unions where are the jobs that have the
apprenticeship programs? Have you went out to a new home
construction site? It’s 80% wetbacks. I’m in it, that’s
what I do and where I work. Most of these contractors use
wetbacks because you cant compete if you don’t. Unions
suck because they have become pro-fascist regimes not
because of their capabilities in producing a superb work
force. And they’ve simply priced themselves out of the
market at a very bad time.
These kids today look at the trades today and know
they are competing with wetbacks there. They see no choice but
collage and they suck too.


29 posted on 05/26/2014 5:28:23 PM PDT by Slambat
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To: PAR35

Naah, these were Vets who spent their “College Years” at the local bar rather than in class...

A limited few but, they got their VA stipends to drink rather than educate themselves! Hell, they probably got their degree anyway (a black mark on those who actually earned theirs!!!)


30 posted on 05/26/2014 5:29:21 PM PDT by ExSES (the "bottom-line")
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To: Slambat

In some areas, yes, but not in many. Jose Wetback cannot certify as a master electrician. Juan Wetback cannot install unless he is at least an apprentice or journeyman.


31 posted on 05/26/2014 5:35:51 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (If you lined up the best and brightest of this administration, you'd just have a string of dim bulbs)
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To: rickmichaels
if they bought their degree, then thy should have no problem buying a job...
32 posted on 05/26/2014 5:36:28 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: RetiredTexasVet

“In some areas, yes, but not in many. Jose Wetback cannot certify as a master electrician. Juan Wetback cannot install unless he is at least an apprentice or journeyman.”

All they need is a master electrician and maybe a
licensed journeyman or two, to run the job but apprentices,
not really. They use wetbacks. I’ve seen them throw down
a full wetback crew of 6 and wire a house a day. The
master or journeyman will walk the job to see if its
right and call for inspection. Plumbers too. Carpenters
masons, sheet-rockers/finishers, Painters, flooring you
name it, all wetback. Every now and then you may get
a contractor who is legal but most of the time they are
a family. That’s right here in Texas, one of the very
few states that are producing any wealth at all.


33 posted on 05/26/2014 6:16:01 PM PDT by Slambat
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To: rickmichaels

sociology....LOL


34 posted on 05/27/2014 11:37:45 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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