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Is College Worth It? Clearly Yes, New Data Say
New York ^ | 05/27/2014 | David Leonhardt

Posted on 05/27/2014 6:40:14 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Some newly minted college graduates struggle to find work. Others accept jobs for which they feel overqualified. Student debt, meanwhile, has topped $1 trillion.

It’s enough to create a wave of questions about whether a college education is still worth it.

A new set of income statistics answers those questions quite clearly: Yes, college is worth it, and it’s not even close. For all the struggles that many young college graduates face, a four-year degree has probably never been more valuable.

The pay gap between college graduates and everyone else reached a record high last year, according to the new data, which is based on an analysis of Labor Department statistics by the Economic Policy Institute in Washington. Americans with four-year college degrees made 98 percent more an hour on average in 2013 than people without a degree. That’s up from 89 percent five years earlier, 85 percent a decade earlier and 64 percent in the early 1980s.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Education; Society
KEYWORDS: college; jobs

1 posted on 05/27/2014 6:40:14 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Is College Worth It? Clearly Yes, New Data Say

Besides, it keeps countless college students off the unemployment rolls and makes Hussein's [FAKE] stats look better.

2 posted on 05/27/2014 6:42:14 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty ("Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle?" - Patrick Henry, 1775)
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To: SeekAndFind
Americans with four-year college degrees made 98 percent more an hour on average in 2013 than people without a degree.

"Made" 98% more. And went 100k+ into debt. What does that work out to?

3 posted on 05/27/2014 6:43:07 AM PDT by Claud
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To: SeekAndFind

I think it is worth it if you don’t go to trade school, open your own business or join the military. If you try to work with just a high school diploma, I think the road you have will be much harder than someone with a degree. Again unless you want to be a Professor or only want a Bachelors, stay way from the psychology, sociology, woman’s studies, etc. degrees.


4 posted on 05/27/2014 6:44:08 AM PDT by napscoordinator (Governor Scott Walker 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Only because a USA college degree is worth a little more than a high school diploma was 50 years ago.


5 posted on 05/27/2014 6:46:36 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Is college worth it? How many of this year’s college graduates had a job waiting for them that’s not at a Starbucks, Target, or at other retail outlets.


6 posted on 05/27/2014 6:49:54 AM PDT by dowcaet
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To: SeekAndFind
" a four-year degree has probably never been more valuable"

Maybe in monetary value, but college students are more likely to receive an indoctrination than an education in 21st century America.

7 posted on 05/27/2014 6:50:39 AM PDT by Savage Beast (Hubris and denial overwhelm Western Civilization. Nemesis and tragedy always follow.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Study sponsored by the American university system?


8 posted on 05/27/2014 6:51:57 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: Claud
"Made" 98% more. And went 100k+ into debt. What does that work out to?

Great point. And that borrowed money goes into whose pocket? The push for a college degree is a money making scam. This article further perpetuates that scam. I don't believe the 98% figure either.

9 posted on 05/27/2014 6:52:31 AM PDT by Right Brother
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To: dowcaet
Unemployment rates for those with a college degree and those without:


10 posted on 05/27/2014 6:52:43 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: SeekAndFind

NYT? Sorry, not worth reading. Math is most definitely not the friend of any MSM jokester-journalist....as has been amply demonstrated by them buying the Obamadork collection O’Clowns’ claims on 1) the economy, 2) unemployment, 3) Obamacare, 4) the VA, 5) Benghazi, 6) the so-called melting in Antartica (when ice amounts are actually at record levels), and so on.

Ain’t buyin’ it, NYT. College is a reasonable gamble for techno-types, and not a bad bet for those lib arts folks who actually studied something above third grade level. But, for the vast majority of the clowns emerging from our institutions of politically correct indoctrination, their borrowed money could just as well have been thrown into the street.


11 posted on 05/27/2014 6:52:59 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: SeekAndFind

This is the biggest load of s___t out there. The more I see, the more I am convinced that college isn’t worth it. It is completely overpriced and churns out kids who know nothing. Now going to the right college and taking the right major is definitely worth it. But simply “going to college”, taking a major that you really don’t understand and that is not marketable, and then drinking your way thoguth college, is pointless.


12 posted on 05/27/2014 7:01:01 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: Claud
"Made" 98% more. And went 100k+ into debt. What does that work out to?

For a liberal arts degree? Sitting in mom's basement wearing onesies PJs, drinking hot chocolate and discussing getting health insurance.

13 posted on 05/27/2014 7:01:35 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: SeekAndFind

High school grad choices:

A) Go to a trade school. Become a plumber. Make $30/hour and have a constant supply of work.

B) Go to college. Rack up $100K in debt. Receive liberal indoctrination. Try to fnd someone who will find use for your degree in Political Science. Become a US Senator for 3 weeks when you are nominated as the Democrat candidate for POTUS. Become POTUS.

See? The Obama “no experience needed” plan can work for everyone.


14 posted on 05/27/2014 7:03:48 AM PDT by kidd
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To: SeekAndFind

I went from working god awful hours in a bakery with split days off to doing engineering work in an office behind a computer Monday - Friday and weekends off. Sure, I’ve got student loans. But I also make more, own a house and actually have a life. My loans can be a drag sometimes, but they will eventually get paid off. And my life now is 10 times better than it was. But I also thought about where a good market was at and didn’t just go to college for the sake of it and waste a bunch of time and money.


15 posted on 05/27/2014 7:04:15 AM PDT by Durbin
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To: SeekAndFind

Because most employers have drunk the Kool-Aid and actually believe that colleges turn out fully prepared, plug-and-play employees requiring zero employer-paid cost for training.


16 posted on 05/27/2014 7:04:35 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Right Brother

The research does seem to take into account the debt load, but I’m still skeptical. I’d wager there is some massaging going on of realistic salaries.

Also, even if this were accurate today (which I doubt), tuition is way outstripping GDP right now. Salaries are most certainly not. Therefore, it’s extremely likely that the value of a college education is going down, down, down.


17 posted on 05/27/2014 7:09:40 AM PDT by Claud
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To: Wyatt's Torch
That chart doesn't reflect the full story. Many employers have accepted the "college degree" canard and instituted it in their hiring practices. That college degree gets your Starbucks application put at the top of the pile.

A document now trumps actual skills. For instance, many sales jobs now require college degrees. College is not required to sell products. People skills, smarts and personality is what is required. Things that certainly are not taught at a university. Yet someone possessing those skills is rejected because they don't have that participation trophy called a degree.

18 posted on 05/27/2014 7:10:28 AM PDT by Right Brother
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Exactly. I was writing #18 while you posted #16. We are on the same page.


19 posted on 05/27/2014 7:12:51 AM PDT by Right Brother
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To: I want the USA back
Try to get somewhere without it - especially in a corporation.

I'm in IT - I do a lot of hiring. At best, a degree is a checkbox: "Yup. They've got it." Tells me that the person is able to stick with something for 4 years and see it to completion.

That's all, nothing else. I'm more interested in what people have done - I've got a right good number of people on my team with no degree at all...they got their OJT in the military. But then, IT is a different animal. Results count. In "soft" work like HR and Marketing, not so much.

However, others - particularly in HR - think that a degree confers some sort of magical powers. Why? I dunno. All I know is that I've got a BS in Electrical Engineering, and HR wonks eyes pop when I tell them that. It's fine with me, and I don't emphasize that I earned it 20-odd years ago, and have rarely used it since then. :-)

And don't get me started on 24-year-old kids walking out of State U with an MBA and no experience, who don't understand why they can't have a $200K job and a corner office, yet.

20 posted on 05/27/2014 7:16:36 AM PDT by wbill
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To: SeekAndFind

I am of the school of thought it is better to have a college degree that to not have one. Generally speaking college graduates do have higher incomes and lower unemployment rates than non-college graduates. That all said, the costs have skyrocketed in recent years. Here is what I did to get through college and not pile up a mountain of debt:

1) I selected a public university, not a private one.

2) I selected a university near my house and commuted to school.

3) I avoided excessive partying and fraternities.

4) I worked two part time jobs while working my way through college.

5) I bought only used textbooks.

6) I kept borrowing to an absolute minimum.

I still think if college students followed some of this, they could keep their student loan debt manageable.


21 posted on 05/27/2014 7:23:34 AM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: Right Brother

“participation trophy called a degree”

Interesting..........................

One thing I might agree on is that the bachelors degree has been devalued. Post-graduate degrees or professional certifications are required for almost every job I look at.


22 posted on 05/27/2014 7:33:46 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: SeekAndFind

Climatologist: Just hang out your shingle.


23 posted on 05/27/2014 7:50:25 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: SeekAndFind

Climatologist: Just hang out your shingle.


24 posted on 05/27/2014 7:50:26 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Right Brother

I am right now dealing with a very bright and capable person with 20+ yrs. experience in his industry who is having a hard time getting a look because his Bachelors Degree is from a nondescript online school.

The Affirmative Action hires in all the HR departments won’t give him a second look based on that alone. Despite the fact that he has ACTUALLY DONE THE JOB!


25 posted on 05/27/2014 8:06:20 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

All good advice.

I think a college degree is better than no degree in most cases. The major is important and the final student debt is also important. Where you go to school also matters, but I would rather have a degree in Petroleum Engineering from a state university with little debt than a degree in liberal arts from a prestigious university with a hundred thousand dollars of debt.


26 posted on 05/27/2014 8:07:17 AM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters for Freedom and Rededication to the Principles of the U.S. Constitution)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

RE: I still think if college students followed some of this, they could keep their student loan debt manageable.

And how would that affect private colleges?


27 posted on 05/27/2014 8:07:29 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Never believe anything from the NY Slimes, LA Slimes or the ComPost.

The job market demand for instant unemployment degrees IUD’s, the so called soft degrees, started going down hill about 3 decades ago.

The lack of demand for IUD grads has increased since the melt down and will continue. Why, their worthless degree brings nothing to the market place.

The lack of demand for IUD holders is so bad, the liberals in power are pushing for very high cost minimum wage salaries. Why, because most IUD grads can’t find a real job. So they will try to become $25/hour minimum wage bozos trained to ask, “Do you want to king size your order?”


28 posted on 05/27/2014 8:28:06 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Herr Obama will not divert resources from his war on Americans to help Veterans!)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

“Because most employers have drunk the Kool-Aid and actually believe that colleges turn out fully prepared, plug-and-play employees requiring zero employer-paid cost for training.”

Those days became passé when the current big economic meltdown happened.

Now, companies like Google are saying that the SAT’s and college degrees are not indicators of success in their company/industry.

Often, these companies are monitoring Science Fairs and the Math Olympics out here in California to identify potential employees and to start their selection procedures. We are seeing and will see a lot of competition for young and smart kids like there is for good athletes for industry and universities at the high school level.

We have a couple of younger relatives in their mid teens, who have been treated to rush trips to several of the top universities in California for a couple of years, since they excelled in middle school. Those trips have nothing to do with fraternities or sororities, the trips are controlled by the universities and various departments .

Now, their younger relatives are getting the same come and visit our campus rush after a year of high grades in middle school. These kids are not interested in a IUD degrees, they like and excel at the hard sciences.

So who will get a good job after graduation?

The smart kids, who take the hard sciences and graduate with honors in 4 years in a tough and respected university? Who probably interned with pay during the summer with a top company?

Or the liberal know it all affluenza brat, who took 6 years to get a 120 hour degree in Hispanic Lesbian Art Appreciation with a college loan debt between $150,000 to $200,000, who has never worked a day in their life for money?

Which student will be living unemployed in their parents home until the parents kick them out or sell their home to go to a retirement home?


29 posted on 05/27/2014 8:56:30 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Herr Obama will not divert resources from his war on Americans to help Veterans!)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

“The Affirmative Action hires in all the HR departments won’t give him a second look based on that alone. Despite the fact that he has ACTUALLY DONE THE JOB!”

Those AA bozos and bozoettes will destroy your company about 5-10 years.


30 posted on 05/27/2014 8:58:25 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Herr Obama will not divert resources from his war on Americans to help Veterans!)
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To: SeekAndFind
College tuition has risen 500% since 1980, solely because students can easily borrow the money to pay anything the colleges demand.

That's about to end. The wailing and gnashing of teeth among liberal college professors is going to be deafening.

31 posted on 05/27/2014 9:28:35 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: Grampa Dave
Those AA bozos and bozoettes will destroy your company about 5-10 years.

Yeah, no kidding. For most of them I've met their daily estrogen spitting battle with Sally in the next cube carries a far higher priority than their employer's long-term business plan.


32 posted on 05/27/2014 9:55:06 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: SeekAndFind
Bottom line:


33 posted on 05/27/2014 12:00:52 PM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: Buckeye McFrog

HR departments are where the dregs go to keep a job. The worst of the worst corporate idiots reside there.


34 posted on 05/27/2014 12:02:55 PM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

Are you speaking from experience on college, or just an opinion from viewing other’s mistakes?


35 posted on 05/27/2014 12:27:04 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: Buckeye McFrog

An alternative view:

http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2014/04/bryan_caplan_on.html

Colleges help employers sort the marketplace. You’ll enjoy the podcast. Econtalk is excellent brainfood.


36 posted on 05/28/2014 3:42:26 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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