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I have an idea for a smart phone application. Where do I start?
5/27/2014 | killermosquito

Posted on 05/27/2014 7:27:35 AM PDT by killermosquito

I have an idea for a smart phone app. Does any freepers have any experience doing that?

I'm curious to know if charging for the app or selling advertising in the app makes more sense.


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I have some fairly decent VBA skills and have done a bit of web stuff. Mainly I can find work done by others and modify it to my needs. I have a unique idea for an app and am reluctant to reveal what it is as you can imagine.

Are apps created in java script? Is there an application that app developers prefer? Your suggestions are appreciated.

1 posted on 05/27/2014 7:27:35 AM PDT by killermosquito
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To: killermosquito

You can trust me. Give me the idea, and I will handle.


2 posted on 05/27/2014 7:28:35 AM PDT by petercooper ("I was for letting people keep their health insurance, before I wasn't". --- Barack Obama)
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To: killermosquito

Most apps are in java (not javascript), some C#.

Document your idea (that letter in the mail is a neat idea!) then get a local college student to implement it.


4 posted on 05/27/2014 7:31:39 AM PDT by PissAndVinegar
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To: killermosquito

What about me who has some ideas but no talent? They keep bouncing around in my head..


5 posted on 05/27/2014 7:33:50 AM PDT by GregB (In memory of Past Your Eyes.)
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To: killermosquito
I thought of a female navigation app that gives voice notifications to the female driver for example...

"After the Walgreens, turn right....turn left at the Kohl's then straight on the road that takes you to the new mall"

No need to clutter it up with road/hwy names.

6 posted on 05/27/2014 7:38:36 AM PDT by lormand (Inside every liberal is a dung slinging monkey)
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To: GregB

What about me who has no ideas, no talent, no money, and no social skills? What do I do?


7 posted on 05/27/2014 7:40:55 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: lormand

I would buy that app!


8 posted on 05/27/2014 7:44:42 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Wagglebee please come home we miss you! ~ Þ)
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To: Lazamataz

Serve as an example to others.


9 posted on 05/27/2014 7:45:39 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Wagglebee please come home we miss you! ~ Þ)
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To: Lazamataz

I, too, vote for Laz. He’s... smrt.


10 posted on 05/27/2014 7:45:53 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: killermosquito
If you develop for Android, it will be in Java. The Android development suite is available for Windows, Linux, and Mac:

http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html

If you develop for iOS (iPhone, iPad), it will be in Objective C. The iOS SDK is only available for OSX (on a Mac):

https://developer.apple.com/devcenter/ios/index.action

11 posted on 05/27/2014 7:46:11 AM PDT by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: Lazamataz
What about me who has no ideas, no talent, no money, and no social skills?

Well... you could always be a global warming scientist.

12 posted on 05/27/2014 7:47:20 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: F15Eagle
Number one, document all the details and mail it to yourself via registered mail and don’t open the envelope or package.

In the US, patents are now "first to file", rather than "first to invent".

13 posted on 05/27/2014 7:49:27 AM PDT by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: killermosquito

Form a partnership with this guy: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3160537/posts


15 posted on 05/27/2014 7:51:47 AM PDT by Rio (Proud resident of the State of Jefferson)
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To: killermosquito

Go to the government.

Tell them the app will promote gay marriages and make people sign up for Obamacare, and will be powered by windmills and solar panels.

They will give you millions to develop your app.

Also, because it is government funded, you can just keep the money and not even bother with developing the app. You will never be held accountable.


16 posted on 05/27/2014 7:52:10 AM PDT by oldbill
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To: oldbill
You will never be held accountable.
Unless he's a white male.
17 posted on 05/27/2014 7:54:09 AM PDT by ChocChipCookie ("Demons run when a good man goes to war.")
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To: Lazamataz

Laz,

Run for US Senate.


18 posted on 05/27/2014 7:54:10 AM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: killermosquito

here are some other cool options:

10 Frameworks To Build Mobile Application With HTML, CSS & JavaScript
http://www.hongkiat.com/blog/mobile-frameworks/

Adobe Air (uses Flash coding and bundles it for cross-platform Android or iDevices:
http://www.adobe.com/products/air.html


19 posted on 05/27/2014 7:57:20 AM PDT by Phillyred
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To: lormand
Unlike the men's directions which leads to nowhere. My husband has taken me their several times. Too proud to stop, he thinks his middle name is Garmin.
20 posted on 05/27/2014 7:58:50 AM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness.)
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To: Linda Frances
Then I propose an app for those men who don't know how to use a nav app...it goes like this....

"Proceed forward to the nearest Exxon or Shell station...go inside and ask for directions..."

How'z that?

21 posted on 05/27/2014 8:02:49 AM PDT by lormand (Inside every liberal is a dung slinging monkey)
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To: killermosquito

VBA is not applicable.

Idea’s are a dime a dozen.

There are some pretty good E-Z packages for developing them.

Otherwise bone up on both Java(android) and Objective C(IOS).

Then bone up on your back-end server app skills.


22 posted on 05/27/2014 8:03:33 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: Lazamataz
What about me who has no ideas, no talent, no money, and no social skills? What do I do?

Consider applying for a job as a White House advisor.

23 posted on 05/27/2014 8:06:17 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Lazamataz

2016 there is an opening in DC!!!


24 posted on 05/27/2014 8:06:48 AM PDT by GregB (In memory of Past Your Eyes.)
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To: Lazamataz
What about me who has no ideas, no talent, no money, and no social skills? What do I do?

You hit it.

25 posted on 05/27/2014 8:09:19 AM PDT by JRios1968 (I'm guttery and trashy, with a hint of lemon. - Laz)
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To: killermosquito

I make phoneapps. Trust me that you don’t want to follow the advise you are getting here.


26 posted on 05/27/2014 8:11:16 AM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: killermosquito

If you don’t know how to program, go to oDesk or sights like that and interview developers to make it for you.

Apps are created in a few ways..

1 Native mode... for Android this is Java for iPhone this is Objective c.

2 Web Based/HTML... basically just enough native code to launch a web view to open the “app” from your web site

3. Hybrid things like PhoneGap etc.


27 posted on 05/27/2014 8:13:55 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Actually that’s not completely true, I am sure you can write an app for windows phone using Visual Basic... then you can try to make money selling it to the 10 people that actually own a windows phone.


28 posted on 05/27/2014 8:16:02 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: killermosquito

I’ve built apps for fortune 100 (fortune 10) companies and startups.

How to make money (or other value) REALLY depends on the app. Different models work depending on your target audience (and competitors).

The best way to develop the app also really depends on the app and the target audience. In some cases you can get away cheap ($1000s) and in other cases you really need to spend 100s of $1000s to build almost the same functionality.

You can build completely functional apps in html/javascript (offline web apps) that have access to the camera and a local database. Getting notifications, phonebook, sms, etc will need at least an extension to the web app (i.e. apache cordova allows extensions or allows a “native” app to present an html/javascript UI). HTML/javascript is quick and easy (relatively) for UI if you want cross-platform availability but it can feel clunky if your userbase expects a native app unless you put a lot of effort into the UI. There are many cross-platform development tools but the best one depends on the app (and target users) and in some cases native is the way to go (but I’d call those cases rare and getting rarer).


29 posted on 05/27/2014 8:16:21 AM PDT by LostPassword
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To: HamiltonJay

Nope you cannot


30 posted on 05/27/2014 8:20:49 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: killermosquito

BFL


31 posted on 05/27/2014 8:23:04 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin
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To: killermosquito
I have 2 Apps in the Apple App Store. If your market is iOS, you can write in Apple's Objective-C language, or, by using a platform such as Xamarin, you can take C# code and compile to native Cocoa. Regardless of the language, you'll need to be a registered developer with Apple and follow their guidelines.

If you're planning an Android App, then you'll need to follow those guidelines. Microsoft has their own guidelines for their apps as well.

32 posted on 05/27/2014 8:23:16 AM PDT by MrsEmmaPeel (a government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take everything you have)
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To: Lazamataz

Vote Democrat!?!


33 posted on 05/27/2014 8:26:32 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie; killermosquito
Otherwise bone up on both Java(android) and Objective C(IOS).

Correct, serious programming requires you know these two tools. The Big Nerd Ranch books are top notch. The books assume you have done Java/C programming.

They will bring you up to speed in short order.

34 posted on 05/27/2014 8:27:00 AM PDT by sand88
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Well someone better tell Microsoft then....

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windowsphone/develop/dn642037.aspx

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windowsphone/develop/ff402526(v=vs.105).aspx

Not that I am defending VB, or anything microsoft for that matter, but you can write a winsows phone app in VB... why anyone would want to, well that’s another story.


35 posted on 05/27/2014 8:29:36 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay

You could do VB(not VBA) for .Net (C#’s brain dead cousin) but that’s a full fledged OO dev environment and will cost you some big bucks to get started. If you compare C# and VB the programs are line for line equivalent but the VB is just wordy and less powerful. VB developers are kind of like people using COBOL. Stubborn and refusing to change.

If you don’t know .Net or Java you have a long road to hoe friend.

There are some alternatives however. I’ve played with 4D, and Filemaker Pro. They will also cost a grand or two to get an app out the door.


36 posted on 05/27/2014 8:32:01 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: HamiltonJay

VBA and VB are two separate things. They have Zero in common other than a name.


37 posted on 05/27/2014 8:35:23 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: PissAndVinegar
Most apps are in java (not javascript), some C#.

Not on the iPhone. No java there.

On the iPhone, most are Objective-C (native) or Javascript/HTML hybrid apps.

38 posted on 05/27/2014 8:37:11 AM PDT by Mannaggia l'America
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To: killermosquito
You could take a look at something like Telerik AppBuilder, which will build apps for iPhone/iPad, Android, and Windows Phone.

Telerik AppBuilder

I have used it. Not saying it's the best or the best way. Apps are built using Javascript, HTML5, and CSS. It's basically an IDE that uses Apache Cordova, aka PhoneGap. You don't even need a Mac to create the iPhone app.

39 posted on 05/27/2014 8:41:40 AM PDT by Mannaggia l'America
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To: killermosquito

Apply for a patent before telling anyone about it.


40 posted on 05/27/2014 8:45:05 AM PDT by Citizen Zed ("Freedom costs a buck o five" - Gary Johnston, TAWP)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

I agree, I can’t imagine why anyone would be developing in VB, but like it or not that’s to MS we have a derivative language designed for folks to learn how to program running a lot of crap in the field, and folks won’t be ending it sadly anytime soon.

Thanks for the clarification on VBA.


41 posted on 05/27/2014 8:47:44 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay

As one of those people that have and use a windows phone, (I’m using it to post this) it would be nice if there were more apps for it.


42 posted on 05/27/2014 9:31:36 AM PDT by Don W (Know what you WANT. Know what you NEED. Know the DIFFERENCE!)
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To: Kirkwood

Kirkwood, since you have created phone apps, what tools did you use?

It seems that some of the advise I’m being given here is valid.


43 posted on 05/27/2014 10:15:34 AM PDT by killermosquito (Buffalo, Detroit (and eventually France) is what you get when liberalism runs its course.)
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To: LostPassword

LostPassword, it seems that I would be creating a native app that does not require the web or access to any of the phone features.


44 posted on 05/27/2014 10:16:49 AM PDT by killermosquito (Buffalo, Detroit (and eventually France) is what you get when liberalism runs its course.)
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To: HamiltonJay

It seems that I would be creating a native app that does not require the web or access to any of the phone features.

My idea seems like a simple thing to create but I don’t want to add so many features that it goes overboard.


45 posted on 05/27/2014 10:19:38 AM PDT by killermosquito (Buffalo, Detroit (and eventually France) is what you get when liberalism runs its course.)
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To: killermosquito; petercooper; PissAndVinegar; justlurking; Phillyred; ImJustAnotherOkie; Kirkwood; ..

Questions:

It sounds like if it is created in Javascript and HTML that it might run on on any platform. Is that true?

Are apps patented?

I wasn’t expecting that I would create something in VBA or VB. I was just indicating that I’m not a complete stranger to coding.

The app would not require a network or internet connection.

Those of you who have created apps? Name names...where can I (we) find your apps? Care to share some links?


46 posted on 05/27/2014 10:21:10 AM PDT by killermosquito (Buffalo, Detroit (and eventually France) is what you get when liberalism runs its course.)
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To: F15Eagle

If you’re thinking patents, remember, it’s now first to file.


47 posted on 05/27/2014 10:23:50 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: F15Eagle

Apologies for double-teaming. Didn’t read past your post #3 nor check existing responses. Will do in the future.

Have a great day, FRiend.


49 posted on 05/27/2014 10:40:56 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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