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Which One Deserves Death? Which One Was Conceived From Rape?
OneVike

Posted on 05/27/2014 3:00:57 PM PDT by OneVike



Can you tell the difference?

The original reason many supported abortion, was because of rape or incest. Forty years later less than 1 percent of the more than 1 million abortions in the US, occur because of rape or incest.

Please tell me what the child did to deserve death in those two circumstances, because as far as God is concerned, to support abortion under any circumstance is still murder.

Around the world there has been more than 1.5 BILLION babies have been aborted worldwide in the past 50 years. An estimated 50 million abortions are carried out throughout the world every year. One in five pregnancies worldwide end in abortion. 42% of all deaths in the world every year are from abortion. That means that every two seconds a baby is aborted. That's right, every time your heartbeats an unborn baby is murdered.

And we claim the Roman Empire was barbaric.

Please pray for this genocide to end.


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1 posted on 05/27/2014 3:00:58 PM PDT by OneVike
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2 posted on 05/27/2014 3:02:13 PM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting for a ride home)
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To: OneVike

Aborting a child conceived in rape is a strange way to mitigate a crime.

Its like executing all the witnesses who happened to be in a bank when it was robbed.


3 posted on 05/27/2014 3:09:13 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: OneVike

This story in the New York Post tells about a woman who was raped. She had the baby and gave it up for adoption. The daughter went on to have a son who became an astronaut and flew four space missions. The book is The Waiting and it tremendous.

http://nypost.com/2014/05/11/mom-and-daughter-reunited-77-years-after-adoption/


4 posted on 05/27/2014 3:10:12 PM PDT by cdga5for4
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5 posted on 05/27/2014 3:12:44 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: OneVike

I do. The South is making great strides in ending abortion.

(How ironic that the feminist left’s mantra is “keep your hands of my body”, yet they are trying to force everyone to tolerate their having absolute control over everyone else’s via 0bamacare & subsequently, forcing taxpayers to financially support abortion-on-demand.)


6 posted on 05/27/2014 3:14:15 PM PDT by KGeorge (Till we're together again, Gypsy girl. May 28, 1998- June 3, 2013)
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To: OneVike

Indeed, I don’t see why the rape is the fault of the baby. Nor incest, if that really is a problem.


7 posted on 05/27/2014 3:15:37 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: OneVike
The original reason many supported abortion, was because of rape or incest.

The left has been winning for a long time by using an emotional appeal to get what they want.

In the case of abortion I will probably get a lot of heat, but I can see the argument for it with rape, incest, and disease. I realize the baby is innocent, but isn't the mother as well in cases of rape and incest? In the case of disease I can see an argument for it where there is no hope and the baby will suffer in the extreme.

8 posted on 05/27/2014 3:16:23 PM PDT by wmfights
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To: cdga5for4

Thanks, I’ll check it out. Sound like great example of God taking something meant for evil, and turning it into a blessing.


9 posted on 05/27/2014 3:20:25 PM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting for a ride home)
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To: PGR88

S true.


10 posted on 05/27/2014 3:20:45 PM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting for a ride home)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

I don’t understand why “rape and incest” is a pair. Incest is either rape - forcible or statutory - or it’s consensual sex between adults.

I think it’s just an excuse for abortion on demand, which benefits the perpetrator rather than the victim.


11 posted on 05/27/2014 3:21:13 PM PDT by Tax-chick (You say I'm insane ... I say you're afraid.)
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To: wmfights

Why make the innocent pay?

Put the child up for adoption.

I am the product of a rape. I thank God everyday that abortion was not legal and as easy to get in 1956 as it is today.


12 posted on 05/27/2014 3:23:57 PM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting for a ride home)
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To: PGR88

It’s not the child’s fault. Why should he/she suffer and die?


13 posted on 05/27/2014 3:26:52 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: OneVike
I agree that the best thing is to have the baby and let a loving couple adopt if the mother doesn't want the baby. However, what about the girl. What if she doesn't have the emotional strength to see it through. What if she is in a hysterical panic. The girl in the case of rape or incest has already been brutalized.

I think the woman who carries the baby to term is heroic, but not all women have that kind of strength.

14 posted on 05/27/2014 3:29:46 PM PDT by wmfights
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To: Admin Moderator; OneVike
Request for headline correction:

"Which One Deserves Death? Which One Was Conceived From Abortion Rape?"
15 posted on 05/27/2014 3:31:30 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Rand Paul needs a “come to Jesus meeting” sooner rather than later! Me thinks he has forgotten Who is in charge of his next breath! Those in leadership will give an account of their decisions. He is treading on thin ice regarding this issue.


16 posted on 05/27/2014 3:31:46 PM PDT by Maudeen ("End Times Warrior - Just a Sinner Saved by Grace")
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To: Maudeen

He’s a demagogue.


17 posted on 05/27/2014 3:35:36 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Gene Eric; moder_ator

OOPS!

How did I do that,

Thanks for catching it Gene.

LOL


18 posted on 05/27/2014 3:35:54 PM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting for a ride home)
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To: wmfights

Post #8 raises interesting issues, so I shall add another to the discussion.

Given that American blacks have a much larger percentage of abortions than whites, what impact has that had on American racial balances, and is said impact good or bad?


19 posted on 05/27/2014 3:36:32 PM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam Delenda Est - because of what Islam is and because of what Muslims do.)
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To: Maudeen

Sadly, most Libertarians fall into the same trouble.


20 posted on 05/27/2014 3:37:30 PM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting for a ride home)
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To: cdga5for4

And this is exactly why we need to defeat the stigma of adoption. Instead of anti-abortion how about pro-adoption? An anti-abortion plank doesn’t give an alternative. It’s an ultimatum. Adoption is a sane alternative choice and should be promoted as such.


21 posted on 05/27/2014 3:39:32 PM PDT by blueplum
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To: OneVike
And I'll offer another option:

Given the multitude of choices, many paid for by the Government - HOW ABOUT JUST NOT GETTING PREGNANT IN THE FIRST PLACE!

I'd like to know how many of those that ‘forgot’ and became pregnant, have ever forgot to pay for their cell phone or Internet service?

I guess it is all about priorities.

22 posted on 05/27/2014 3:44:57 PM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: I cannot think of a name

As we warned them in the 70’s.

Abortion will be used as a form of birth control.

Well, here we are.


23 posted on 05/27/2014 3:48:13 PM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting for a ride home)
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To: wmfights

So if my Mom could not handle the stigma of carrying me to term, she should have been given the choice to murder me?

As I said, I thank God it wasn’t available in “56”


24 posted on 05/27/2014 3:50:59 PM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting for a ride home)
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To: OneVike; wmfights

OneVike brings up a good point, about the free availability of abortion. The proposal that a woman who has been raped has a “right” to abortion presupposes a flourishing industry of abortion on demand. That’s what we have now.

What if we didn’t have that?


25 posted on 05/27/2014 3:56:47 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I had some wild friends ... we did some crazy things.)
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To: wmfights

As another poster stated, incest is not rape. Some people just cringe at the idea, that is all.

As for “too sick” that is like deciding that retarded babies are going to have a bad life, so why bother? Sounds like we are starting to decide when it is too inconvenient, like my old sick dog. God needs to make the decision.


26 posted on 05/27/2014 4:03:44 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: OneVike

Exactly, why make the innocent mother pay? Can you explain that since you just threw it out there. Pregnancy Isn’t cheap and I don’t see pro lifers starting any funds or putting up the cash to cover the expenses. I get that holding signs and hurling judgments is so much easier than actually putting your cash where your mouth is.

If you want to save those kids so much, you should have no issues putting your check up to help these rape victims pay for lost wages, medical bills, emotional damage of carrying a rape baby, and after birth counceling. Are these lives not worth your hard earned money? How much have you donated? Anything?


27 posted on 05/27/2014 4:08:44 PM PDT by drunknsage
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To: I cannot think of a name

You mean, how about being chaste and not ##%|\}~<^€\{{ing?

Boy would that be a huge improvement to society.


28 posted on 05/27/2014 4:10:12 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Nursing my old, sick dog (actually my daughter’s dog, before she went into the military) has led me to reject any argument based on, “We have to spare them suffering by killing them.”

One night, I woke up when I heard Ash’s collar jingle, and as I was wondering whether I should get up to let her outside, I heard a voice, clear as any other, say, “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.” Would I want someone to get out of bed to let me out if I needed to go to the bathroom? You bet I would.


29 posted on 05/27/2014 4:11:09 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I had some wild friends ... we did some crazy things.)
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To: Tax-chick

We just put down ours the other week, on my mother’s birthday, one day before the dog’s. She finally refused to walk altogether.

I don’t like coming to that point, but the danger is in crossing over and thinking it is OK for people, too.


30 posted on 05/27/2014 4:18:08 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

That’s the thing, dogs aren’t people. When painkillers didn’t keep Ash comfortable any more, our vet gave her a great big sedative. I might have waited too long, in terms of keeping her comfortable, because I didn’t want to say, “It’s too much trouble for me to take care of you.”

I wouldn’t do that to a child, and I wouldn’t just write off the dog, either. As long as she could enjoy Sunbeam Time and hobble up the street, I gave her the giant painkillers and got up several times every night. When she couldn’t get to her feet on her own, I had to give up.


31 posted on 05/27/2014 4:22:09 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I had some wild friends ... we did some crazy things.)
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To: drunknsage

There are tens of thousands of pro life centers all across this country who pay for the birth of unwanted babies and even find homes for them.

So that’s is an empty hallow accusation.


32 posted on 05/27/2014 4:24:30 PM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting for a ride home)
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To: drunknsage

How big a fee would you require for you to not kill a baby?

Why did aborting babies for rape only come out of the 1960/70s, the same period when we started removing the death penalty for rape?


33 posted on 05/27/2014 4:26:41 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: OneVike; drunknsage

My vet and his wife are in the process of adopting a baby girl, who is due to be born in August. Through the Christian adoption agency, they are paying for the expectant mother’s medical expenses, her living expenses, and many incidentals.

He told me that when their adopted daughter is old enough to know, they want to be able to say that they contributed in every way they could for the birth mother to have a good life.


34 posted on 05/27/2014 4:27:41 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I had some wild friends ... we did some crazy things.)
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To: OneVike; drunknsage

drunknsage should know that there has always been help for unmarried women to save their babies.


35 posted on 05/27/2014 4:28:23 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: Tax-chick
We nursed Hershee for the last couple Months of her life. She lived two days past this past Christmas. She was 18.

I took this picture about three weeks before we had to put her down because her kidneys stopped working. till sad she is gone.

Like you, she was a dog, how much more should we treat all humans, even the youngest and most unwanted.


36 posted on 05/27/2014 4:29:17 PM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting for a ride home)
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To: Tax-chick
God bless you. Your reward will be here while the child grows, and in heaven with our Lord.


37 posted on 05/27/2014 4:33:10 PM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting for a ride home)
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To: wmfights
There is no reason for a baby born with disease or disability to suffer extreme pain --- not with modern pain meds available.

I have known babies born with multiple disabilities who lived but a short time --- one 8 days, one just over 2 1/2 years --- but they were able to smile and enjoy, to appreciate mama's milk, to like being rocked, to like the sun on their skin or a little ball that jingled when it rolled. The 2 year old was delighted with bananas. They can, according to their mysterious capacity, love and be loved. And they elicit love from all the care-givers, who then constitute a community of love around that little nucleus, the child.

It is an insult to God, the Lord and Giver of Life, when He says "Baby, live" and you say "No."

38 posted on 05/27/2014 5:25:51 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("In Christ we form one body, and each member belongs to all the others." Romans 12:5)
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To: I cannot think of a name

EXACTLY! Birth control is readily available. And there’s always the option of keeping one’s legs together! That’s what people used to do in the “bad old days” when getting pregnant out of wedlock was shameful.


39 posted on 05/27/2014 5:36:51 PM PDT by Nea Wood (When people get used to preferential treatment, equal treatment seems like discrimination.-Sowell)
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To: OneVike

It’s not me - I have ten of my own - but Dr. Kaylor, our veterinarian. He’s a great guy, with three young sons. Please say a prayer for his family and the birth mother of the little girl they intend to adopt. There’s always something that can go wrong.


40 posted on 05/27/2014 5:42:41 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I had some wild friends ... we did some crazy things.)
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41 posted on 05/27/2014 5:46:42 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I had some wild friends ... we did some crazy things.)
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Nice dog! Ash had bone cancer, very common in greyhounds; she died Nov. 1, 2012. The best dog in the world. Once it was diagnosed, there was nothing realistic to do but give her painkillers as long as they worked. If they’d amputated her leg and done chemotherapy, she might have lived another six months.


42 posted on 05/27/2014 5:54:38 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I had some wild friends ... we did some crazy things.)
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To: OneVike

Mike Adams on this topic:

“Look Her in the Eye”.

http://townhall.com/columnists/mikeadams/2014/04/28/look-her-in-the-eye-n1829369


43 posted on 05/27/2014 5:59:43 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: OneVike

” And we claim the Roman Empire was barbaric. “

Abortion was also practiced under the Roman Empire, as was neonatal infanticide.


44 posted on 05/27/2014 6:31:31 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: GladesGuru
Given that American blacks have a much larger percentage of abortions than whites, what impact has that had on American racial balances, and is said impact good or bad?

I think it has been a disaster.

The last I saw on this was a headline on Drudge that one third of the pregnancies in Detroit end in abortion.

45 posted on 05/27/2014 6:40:08 PM PDT by wmfights
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To: OneVike
So if my Mom could not handle the stigma of carrying me to term, she should have been given the choice to murder me?

Now you are rephrasing what I said to promote your view. It doesn't serve a serious discussion does it?

46 posted on 05/27/2014 6:43:10 PM PDT by wmfights
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To: the OlLine Rebel
As for “too sick” that is like deciding that retarded babies are going to have a bad life, so why bother? Sounds like we are starting to decide when it is too inconvenient, like my old sick dog. God needs to make the decision.

Not what I said.

It seems pretty typical in these type of discussions to paint everything as black and white. You should ask people who have had children with incurable diseases that cause the child to die in excruciating pain. A lot will tell you that they wish they never did that to their child. I'm not talking about babies with Down's Syndrome.

47 posted on 05/27/2014 6:47:56 PM PDT by wmfights
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To: Mrs. Don-o
There is no reason for a baby born with disease or disability to suffer extreme pain --- not with modern pain meds available.

Not even close to the truth. Do a little digging into Tay-Saks and Leukodystrophy's, just to name a couple diseases that are always deadly and incredibly painful.

It is an insult to God, the Lord and Giver of Life, when He says "Baby, live" and you say "No."

No, I'm just pointing out that because this is an incredibly complicated issue it's not black and white. There are a small % of times where abortion is understandable. The left manipulated the public with lies and expanded it's availability. The right fought along a rigid line and we lost badly.

48 posted on 05/27/2014 6:58:12 PM PDT by wmfights
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To: wmfights

Yes it does, because I am the product of a rape. So just take what you said about women being raped and forced to live with the shame or trying to live with what happened, is what my mother did.


49 posted on 05/27/2014 6:58:21 PM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting for a ride home)
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To: Tax-chick

Your photo is no longer viewable, but I was able to see it using image information and there are two of them.

Ash I take it is the more grayish white Dane, and the other is Piper.

Beautiful dogs.

Sorry to hear about Ash, I know it had to be painful for you also. How has Piper been doing without his buddy?

The children yours? or are they grandchildren. Not knowing your age is why I ask that way.


50 posted on 05/27/2014 7:07:10 PM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting for a ride home)
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