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Your dead kids don't trump my constitutional rights': Right-wing icon Joe the Plumber...
Daily Mail ^ | 5/26/14 | DAVID MARTOSKO

Posted on 05/27/2014 7:35:08 PM PDT by Impala64ssa

...writes outrageous open letter to families of UCSB shooting victims

Political mascot-turned-gun-advocate Samuel 'Joe the Plumber' Wurzelbacher wrote an open letter to grieving parents who lost their children to mass-murderer Elliot Rodger 'As harsh as this sounds,' he insisted on a conservative blog, 'your dead kids don't trump my Constitutional rights' to own guns Wurzelbacher was responding to Richard Martinez, who blamed his son's death on the NRA and 'craven, irresponsible politicians' He became a GOP sensation in 2008 when candidate Barack Obama told him at a campaign event that 'when you spread the wealth around' with taxes, 'it's good for everybody' The crass letter, he wrote, wasn't directed at the parents of Rodger's stabbing victims

A former Republican congressional candidate who owes his mini-stardom to a chance encounter with Barack Obama during his first presidential campaign wrote in an open letter to shooting victims' families that their grief can't override the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. I am sorry you lost your child, wrote Samuel Wurzelbacher, known in conservative circles as Joe the Plumber. 'I myself have a son and daughter and the one thing I never want to go through, is what you are going through now.' 'But: As harsh as this sounds – your dead kids don't trump my Constitutional rights.' His harsh words came a day after Richard Martinez, whose so Christopher was gunned down Friday night by mass-killer Elliot Rodger, blamed the National Rifle Association and 'craven, irresponsible politicians' for his son's death.

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To: Impala64ssa

The democrats will use them for as long as they need them then toss them aside like an old apple core.


2 posted on 05/27/2014 7:37:28 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: Impala64ssa

I sleep better knowing my girls pack heat wherever they go. I sure wouldn’t want one of them to become a defenseless victim like Mr Martinez’s son.


3 posted on 05/27/2014 7:39:45 PM PDT by ComputerGuy (BS, MS, PhD and a BMF besides)
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To: Impala64ssa

I watched Martinez going off on the NRA this morning. He should have been attacking the National Knife Association. I don’t think very highly of someone who will dance in his son’s blood for the DemocRAT Party. IMHO, that’s exactly what he was doing. His 15 minutes have arrived although his son wasn’t shot. He was stabbed.


4 posted on 05/27/2014 7:40:59 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Obama's smidgens are coming home to roost.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

No, his son was shot in the deli.

Pay attention.


5 posted on 05/27/2014 7:45:12 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Support Free Republic!)
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To: Impala64ssa

The Martinez “trail of tears” sideshow and financial scam to replace the “Trayvon Martin trail of tears” sideshow and financial scam?


6 posted on 05/27/2014 7:46:43 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (If you lined up the best and brightest of this administration, you'd just have a string of dim bulbs)
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7 posted on 05/27/2014 7:47:27 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Impala64ssa

Half of Roger’s victims were stabbed to death yet no one is clamoring for knife control.


8 posted on 05/27/2014 7:48:16 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Impala64ssa

And not a single victim or witness returned fire ....


9 posted on 05/27/2014 7:48:39 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (If you lined up the best and brightest of this administration, you'd just have a string of dim bulbs)
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To: Impala64ssa
A warning for Mr Martinez.

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10 posted on 05/27/2014 7:50:14 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: Impala64ssa

This Martinez is obviously out of his mind with grief. Just listen to the guy and it’s all raw emotion, no reason whatsoever. And the sick bastards in the leftist media are right there to swoop in and use him to push their politics. He’s wrong, but he was also obviously not in his right mind when making those remarks and so I pity the man. Another pawn of the anti-liberty lobby.


11 posted on 05/27/2014 7:50:29 PM PDT by Trod Upon (Every penny given to film and TV media companies goes right into enemy coffers. Starve them out!)
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To: Impala64ssa

I am so sick of that mans face I could puke
Three people where hacked to death with a machete and the guy screams about guns
Liberals are disgusting


12 posted on 05/27/2014 7:51:27 PM PDT by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: FlingWingFlyer

His son was one of the shooting victims, the stabbing victims were in the
apartment this man’s son was shot in a deli!!!! It makes no difference how
his son was killed, it was mental illness that killed his son NOT THE GUN
the gun DID NOT SHOOT ITSELF the kid was a sicko!!!!


13 posted on 05/27/2014 7:53:32 PM PDT by Kit cat (OBummer must go)
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To: Impala64ssa

It is pitifully pathetic that this guy would politicize the death of his son! The son’s death had nothing to do with the NRA. It did have a whole lot to do with a schizophrenic spoiled young man who had everything given to him.


14 posted on 05/27/2014 7:53:38 PM PDT by eeriegeno (<p>)
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To: Impala64ssa

Have agree with Joe. There is nothing I hate more than someone pimping their dead children to take away my rights. I’m tired of these little tinpot dictators self-appointing themselves Emperor of the Universe to remake the country in their image because their child died.


15 posted on 05/27/2014 7:53:42 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead...)
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To: cripplecreek

The democrips are all about demagoguery. They would exploit their own mother’s dead if it empowered their twisted agenda. Show they really do not care about Martinez, just how they can exploit him. ... And still black people don’t get it! I’ll bet a large number of Hispanics do though ...


16 posted on 05/27/2014 7:57:20 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: RetiredTexasVet
And not a single victim or witness returned fire

Ummm... Elliot's BMW was getting fired upon by foot patrol officers while he was racing up and down streets wildly shooting and running over pedestrians. There was not one fatality (other than Elliot) once he started getting fired upon. (They first caught up to him near the I.V. Deli Mart, where he shot and killed Christopher Michael-Martinez... this was just after shooting the two girls (both killed) and one boy in front of the sorority.)

17 posted on 05/27/2014 7:58:48 PM PDT by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: Trod Upon

Archie Bunker wants to know if he’d feel any better if hiss boy was thrown out a 7th floor window.


18 posted on 05/27/2014 7:59:15 PM PDT by VRWCarea51
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To: FlingWingFlyer

The three who were stabbed to death were asian males.


19 posted on 05/27/2014 8:00:45 PM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Impala64ssa

I feel sorry for this father who lost his son in a senseless act of violence, but it had to be said that along with the 1st amendment, the 2nd is the bedrock of our freedom. His rant made me ill with it’s stupidity.


20 posted on 05/27/2014 8:24:03 PM PDT by uncommonsense (Liberals see what they believe; Conservatives believe what they see.)
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To: Impala64ssa

and what’s with the EPA watermark down at the bottom left of Mr. Martinez’s pic?


21 posted on 05/27/2014 8:27:21 PM PDT by uncommonsense (Liberals see what they believe; Conservatives believe what they see.)
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To: Impala64ssa

Ummmm - the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is NOT a constitutional right.


22 posted on 05/27/2014 8:30:30 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Kit cat

I am sick to death of our soxiety, always blaming something or someone else but NOT attacking the scum who did the deed.

Look at 9/11. Even discounting the conspiracy nonsense, people were all about blaming and lashing out at government, Bush, US rather than the Moslem scum who ACTUALLY killed people! Victims and witneses and every-day citizens spending time pointing fingers at a “lapse in security” rather than truly getting pissed at the Moslem monsters.

Never mind every crime and mass murder. It’s the fault of guns and those who don’t mind having them, not the actual person who pulled the trigger. The fault of whites who oppress the city scum, etc.

Ridiculous!


24 posted on 05/27/2014 8:43:29 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: kiryandil

You might want to elaborate on that.

Yes, the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is a “Natural Right”, and merely protected by the constitution, but some might misinterpret your description to mean “not mentioned in the constitution”.


25 posted on 05/27/2014 8:59:18 PM PDT by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: Little Pig
They need to understand that distinction.

The tyrants can outlaw guns, they can pass hundreds of laws against guns, but still We Got A Natural Right to guns.

26 posted on 05/27/2014 9:09:46 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: cripplecreek

In 2008 a relative of mine, a real stupid POS, said “I hate Joe the plumber.” I asked him why and he said “Just because.”

I pointed out to him that Joe didn’t do anything. He didn’t even say anything. It was his “god” obama who walked onto Joe’s property and ran his mouth in front of the cameras while trying to take advantage of a photo op. And the press didn’t like that obama had screwed up and let the cat out of the bag so they tried to ruin a private citizen because they disagreed with him. Just like what he would do if he could. He just gave me a fake smile and never brought it up again. He also hated Palin “Because she’s stupid.” I haven’t seen him or spoken to him in years. I’m sure he still hates Joe and Sarah. And I’m sure he’s still a stupid POS.


27 posted on 05/27/2014 9:16:02 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: FlingWingFlyer

I know that Mr. Martinez is full of grief and anger right now. But his call to ban guns makes as much sense as the killer’s call to put all women into concentration camps.


28 posted on 05/27/2014 9:17:51 PM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: 21twelve

Where is the outrage at the man and woman that brought this POS up with no regard for human life no mater what his miserable status was!


29 posted on 05/27/2014 9:26:06 PM PDT by DocJhn
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Men stabbed with knife = NOT news.
Cute white college girls shot = NEWS.

If you REALLY want to see racism at its finest, check out how much the news media laments over the weekend body counts in the inner parts of major Northern cities. Uhhh...NOT. This truly is the corrosive, institutionalized racism of low expectations.

Of course, they just shoot one another, ho hum...


30 posted on 05/27/2014 9:38:13 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: DocJhn

I’m sorry, but the kid’s dad was doing Important Art by photographing womens’ butts - not just ANY OLD butts, but really “good” ones - “but” (so to speak) not including, apparently, his (ex) wife’s.


31 posted on 05/27/2014 9:41:18 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: ComputerGuy

I was living in CA and my daughter was 17. she and some friends wanted to go camping around Santa Cruz. I told her she could go but only if she took a firearm. She took it even though it was against the law and her friends laughed at me.

Turns out, some guy that had come to their campground turned out to be a murderer years later.

She never needed to use the gun, but she finally had to admit it was a good idea.


32 posted on 05/27/2014 9:49:52 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: eeriegeno

Exactly. Elliot Rodger was a product of the everyone-gets-a-trophy-for-participation culture. He ranted on about how unfair it was that other guys got to enjoy girls and how he deserved to enjoy them also.


33 posted on 05/27/2014 10:22:55 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: cripplecreek

Could not agree more with Joe then I do.........
Sorry people. I know you are in stages of grief but do not allow that to make you stupid.
Your children were killed by a human being. A KNOWN sick and evil human being........ That is where you will save the nxt child. Dealing with the real issue and not the phony baloney poltical issue of guns...........


34 posted on 05/27/2014 10:52:15 PM PDT by 48th SPS
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To: All

Lib Logic 101:

We are told not to judge all Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics.

But we are encouraged to judge all gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics.


35 posted on 05/27/2014 10:58:25 PM PDT by Rodney Dangerfield (Has any President in history sunk to such a level of self-flattery & validation-seeking?)
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To: svcw
I am so sick of that mans face I could puke.,br> Three people where hacked to death with a machete and the guy screams about guns. Liberals are disgusting.

I've said it before and I'll say it again.
The man is a drama queen and an attention whore. Not exactly creating a warmly held memory of his son's life.

I've had occasion to meet and know a few parents who lost a child about the same ages as these victims and, aside from delivering a eulogy at their child's memorial service, none that I know of could ever again speak in public about the event or the circumstances of their child's unnatural death.

36 posted on 05/27/2014 11:04:43 PM PDT by publius911 ( Politicians come and go... but the (union) bureaucracy lives and grows forever.)
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To: kiryandil
Ummmm - the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is NOT a constitutional right.

The Founding Fathers and the Supreme Court of the United States beg to differ with you...

37 posted on 05/27/2014 11:10:40 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: kiryandil
Ummmm - the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is NOT a constitutional right.

One would think that only low or no information adults, or very low IQ ones would be unable to understand that the Bill of Rights does not create any rights at all, but simply acknowledge that they exist and are not subject to being "granted" or "withdrawn" by mere mortals, through fiat, popular vote or by any other means...

38 posted on 05/27/2014 11:17:13 PM PDT by publius911 ( Politicians come and go... but the (union) bureaucracy lives and grows forever.)
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To: CA Conservative
The Founding Fathers and the Supreme Court of the United States beg to differ with you...

Really?

"...are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."

Not by the Supreme Court, and certainly not by the Founding Fathers (why would they sign that offensive 'declaration thing' document otherwise? Got unalienable?)

39 posted on 05/27/2014 11:31:51 PM PDT by publius911 ( Politicians come and go... but the (union) bureaucracy lives and grows forever.)
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To: RetiredTexasVet

>> And not a single victim or witness returned fire ...

That’s the problem, but the opportunistic gun grabbers want to keep it that way.


40 posted on 05/28/2014 12:42:49 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: kiryandil

>> Ummmm - the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is NOT a constitutional right.

It’s a right the “Bill of Rights” declares shall not be infringed.

Can you elaborate on your objection?


41 posted on 05/28/2014 12:58:46 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Gene Eric

Freepers are doing a little intellectual wordsmith chest puffing on this one Gene

Just pass the popcorn

Reminds me of that old BBC show where they all showed how clever they were with vocabulary on the cum

http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/myword/


42 posted on 05/28/2014 1:30:55 AM PDT by wardaddy (we will not take back our way of life through peaceful means.....i have 5 kids....i fear for them)
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To: Rusty0604

My oldest daughter had her CCW before I did. I’ve been carrying since I left MPDC in 1974, but finally got around to making it legal around 10 years ago.


43 posted on 05/28/2014 1:34:28 AM PDT by ComputerGuy (BS, MS, PhD and a BMF besides)
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To: wardaddy

Figured as much. But hopefully we’ll still be treated to interesting explanation.


44 posted on 05/28/2014 1:37:14 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: cripplecreek

He was spot on and no need for apologies. Anyone who was offended by his comments can kiss my azz.

Every law we have for the most part is in reaction to something that happens without the long term ramifications of that over reaction.

You have a majority of people blaming everything that happens on someone or something else instead of taking responsibility.


45 posted on 05/28/2014 2:25:35 AM PDT by maddog55 (I'd be Pro-Choice if we could abort liberals.)
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To: cripplecreek

People forget that those who kill in such a horrible way such as in this recent killing are possesed or controled by demons and NO amount of gun control would have prevented such EVIL.


46 posted on 05/28/2014 3:33:50 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: cripplecreek

“The democrats will use them for as long as they need them then toss them aside like an old apple core.”..

The Demodummie doctrine, “Never let a good crisis go to waste”.


47 posted on 05/28/2014 5:34:28 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: publius911

I never said the rights were GRANTED by the Constitution - but they are certainly Constitutional rights, since they are GUARANTEED by the Constitution...

Don’t get snarky just because you can’t communicate your point clearly. What you said was just plain wrong. If you meant to say that the right was not granted by the Constitution, just say so. But to say that it is not a Constitutional right is factually incorrect. Saying it is a Constitutional right does not speak to the source of the right, but to the fact that the right is acknowledged and protected by the Constitution.

If the fact that these rights are natural rights is sufficient to protect them from the intrusion of government, why did the Founders think it necessary to include them in the Constitution at all? There are examples of governments all around the globe trampling all over these natural rights. The place where these natural right are best preserved is here in the USA - where they are also Constitutional rights.


48 posted on 05/28/2014 6:55:50 AM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: CA Conservative; Gene Eric; wardaddy; publius911; Little Pig
This is why I ceased being a Constitutionalist, and became a Declarationist.

See, they can lie about the Constitution all day, and snow people into believing that the Constitution "grants" you Rights. The Declaration TELLS you where the Rights came from, as FReeper publius911 writes:

Really?

"...are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."

Not by the Supreme Court, and certainly not by the Founding Fathers (why would they sign that offensive 'declaration thing' document otherwise? Got unalienable?)

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The tyrants can outlaw guns, they can pass hundreds of laws against guns, but still We Got A Natural Right to guns.

It's interesting that the "right to vote" doesn't seem to be a Natural Right...

BTW, Gene Eric & wardaddy - the "intellectual wordsmithing" is how the Royal Purple Party (Washington DC Reds & Blues) are running the "Constitution con" on many of the conservatives.

49 posted on 05/28/2014 7:11:26 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Blood of Tyrants; Kit cat; Enterprise; GeronL
Half of Roger’s victims were stabbed to death yet no one is clamoring for knife control.

Even the parents of one of the knifing victims is calling for GUN control.

Crusading father whose son was shot dead by 'virgin killer' brings 20,000 mourning students to their feet with emotional 'Not One More' speech at campus vigil (Daily Mail Published: 21:01 EST, 27 May 2014 | Updated: 01:00 EST, 28 May 2014)

Mr Martinez told the crowd he should not be seen as a spokesman for all the families caught up in the stabbings and shootings.

But he was asked by the families of Cheng Yuan Hong and Weihan 'David' Wang, to give statements on their behalf.

As he held a Gone With The Wind book bag aloft, Mr Martinez read a statement from the Hong family, which said: 'May we together create a peaceful world and let hatred be gone with the wind.'

The family of 20-year-old Wang have also called for tighter gun control.

In their statement read by Mr Martinez, they said: 'Our child desired a land free from fear.'


50 posted on 05/28/2014 9:58:26 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The new witchhunt: "Do you NOW, . . . or have you EVER , . . supported traditional marriage?")
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