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Input: Best keyboards for arthritic fingers
5-28-2014 | Daniel1212

Posted on 05/28/2014 9:04:36 AM PDT by daniel1212

I am interested in getting a soft touch keyboard, with keys that are raised and separate enough that I do not easily hit the wrong key, which I am very prone to do, and wondered if any FReepers have any suggestions. Under 25.00 would be preferable.

The problem is that my fingers have become increasingly stiff over the years, and so they do not move independently well or fast, or precisely hit what i want, and therefore I often hit the wrong key that i want to press, usually resulting in multiple typos in every sentence, thus making typing slow. This issue prevents anchor my hands on the keyboard, and touch typing is difficult. (Yet using a hammer, catching footballs, etc. is not a problem, thank God.)

So I thought maybe a soft touch keyboard with "normal" raised keys could help. I am using a Acer KU-1112 (pictured which i got new for 5.00 with this PC, vs the 25.00 they want at link), but they keys are so low it is easy to press two at once.

And before anyone asks, i do not know what kind of arthritis (out of about 100 kinds i guess) this is, but it is not painful, nor do i have any bumps and nodules around joints. Just stiffness that is less when my hands are warmer.

My dad evidently had the same, which forced him to retire after about 40 years as a welder, and i used for work in freezers and with ice cream for many years, which likely did not help.

I have tried speech to text software, Dragon (hate the name: Rv. 16:13) 11.5, which does work to a degree, but it leaves much to be desired.

Any viable suggestions are welcome.


TOPICS: Computers/Internet; Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: arthritis; keyboard; typing

1 posted on 05/28/2014 9:04:36 AM PDT by daniel1212
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To: daniel1212
Have you tried ergonomic keyboards like this one?


2 posted on 05/28/2014 9:13:33 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: daniel1212
Don't know about the keyboard, but you would be wise to take fish oils, turmeric, and ginger for the inflammation.
3 posted on 05/28/2014 9:17:04 AM PDT by petercooper ("I was for letting people keep their health insurance, before I wasn't". --- Barack Obama)
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To: daniel1212
I like the Microsoft Natural keyboards. Their ergo design cuts down on contorting your wrists which cuts down on carpel tunnel. You can find them at used computer stores, Goodwill/Salvation Army, and pawn shops - or try Craigslist.

Did you try the latest Dragon Naturally Speaking? It has learning capabilities to adapt to regional accents.

4 posted on 05/28/2014 9:17:08 AM PDT by uncommonsense (Liberals see what they believe; Conservatives believe what they see.)
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To: daniel1212

I would suggest checking local stores, rather than ordering an unknown online. That way, you can check the keys, etc.

Several years ago, I washed my existing keyboard. I found a new one at Walmart. They had several to choose from. I like soft-touch keys with a moderate click. Walmart had a Micro brand for $10. I have been using that keyboard for over 6 years now. I initially used it with an XP and now a Win7 desktop.


5 posted on 05/28/2014 9:18:51 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: daniel1212

See post #2. There are several variants. Once you get used to that type, it’s hard to go back to a flat keyboard.


6 posted on 05/28/2014 9:18:59 AM PDT by uncommonsense (Liberals see what they believe; Conservatives believe what they see.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
The exact model I am using and love but I don't think will help Danile1212. Maybe something like an on screen keyboard with a comfortable mouse/joystick?
7 posted on 05/28/2014 9:22:06 AM PDT by dblshot (I am John Galt.)
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To: daniel1212; Blood of Tyrants

Ergonomic keyboard is the way to go. I have a Logitech which looks similar to the pictured image posted by Blood of Tyrants. The Logitech is over ten years old and I hope that it never fails.

Dragon Naturally Speaking has to be spoken to by the user. The user has to ‘speak’ to the program for hours so that it can learn the user’s accent. Did you do that?


8 posted on 05/28/2014 9:26:19 AM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (What we need is to sucker the fedthugs into a "Tiananmen Square"-like incident on the National Mall!)
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To: daniel1212

Bookmark for later. Rheumatoid arthritis here.


9 posted on 05/28/2014 9:27:42 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Qwerty, ergo typo.)
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To: daniel1212

Check out http://www.lightio.com/


10 posted on 05/28/2014 9:28:59 AM PDT by dblshot (I am John Galt.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I read a study (cannot remember where) that concluded that natural keyboards were actually not good to use.

Keyboards with angled keys resulted in the user typing with his wrists angled or his elbows out.

You can see why by curling your fingers. Now look at your palm. Notice how your fingers naturally aren’t equally distant from your wrist ? Now imagine your fingers on a natural keyboard. Your wrist will either be bent or your elbows will be out. Neither of these positions are good.


11 posted on 05/28/2014 9:44:09 AM PDT by fred42 ("Get your facts first, then you can distort 'em as much as you need." - Mark Twain)
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To: daniel1212

Get a plain pr of cheap, cotton cloth gloves. Cut away the finger tips (ie the 1.5 inches from each tip). Wear them at night, when you sleep. If you are comfortable doing that, get a few pr. Wear a pr. when typing, if your environment is cool at all. Keeps your hands warm; circulation, better.


12 posted on 05/28/2014 9:51:16 AM PDT by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Have you tried ergonomic keyboards like this one?

No, perhaps that is an answer. For the Microsoft Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 pictured, some complain the space bar was too stiff to use comfortably.

13 posted on 05/28/2014 9:57:09 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: uncommonsense
I like the Microsoft Natural keyboards.

No, see above post. Maybe worth the 19.00 used price i see.

Did you try the latest Dragon Naturally Speaking? It has learning capabilities to adapt to regional accents.

I have 11.5 and as they basically have a monopoly and slow improve each one at 100.00 upgrade, i doubt it is worth it. It has its use, but besides its shortcomings (and i have fairly good English articulation and headphone), often there is background noise, or the phone rings, etc.

14 posted on 05/28/2014 10:06:27 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: petercooper
Don't know about the keyboard, but you would be wise to take fish oils, turmeric, and ginger for the inflammation.

Thanks. I have them in a capsules, just need to take them more. Yet some here said fish oil was the problem!

15 posted on 05/28/2014 10:08:58 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: TomGuy
Walmart had a Micro brand for $10. I have been using that keyboard for over 6 years now.

Thanks. What model is it (look on bottom)?

16 posted on 05/28/2014 10:10:53 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: uncommonsense
See post #2. There are several variants. Once you get used to that type, it’s hard to go back to a flat keyboard.

Thanks.

17 posted on 05/28/2014 10:11:30 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212

see post 11 regarding keyboard in post 2


18 posted on 05/28/2014 10:20:15 AM PDT by fred42 ("Get your facts first, then you can distort 'em as much as you need." - Mark Twain)
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To: daniel1212

It is a Micro Innovations. Model number KB400i.

I am not even sure they stock them any more. I don’t see the brand listed on the Walmart website.


19 posted on 05/28/2014 10:47:20 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: daniel1212

Just a suggestion. Instead of getting a new keyboard, check out Filter Keys. Filter Keys is an accessibility option included in Windows. What it does is makes the keyboard ignore keys which are just briefly pressed. Would that possibly solve your problem?

To access Filter Keys, in Windows 8, bring up Control Panel, then select Ease of Access Center. In the older versions of Windows, it might have been called accessibility instead, I don’t remember. In Windows 8, click on “Make the keyboard easier to use.” You want to turn on Filter Keys. But make sure you check out the options available within Filter Keys. From within Filter Keys options you can designate how long a key is to be pressed before Windows recognizes it. You may have to experiment with that length of time to see what works for you.


20 posted on 05/28/2014 10:48:26 AM PDT by ConstantSkeptic (Be careful about preconceptions)
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise
Dragon Naturally Speaking has to be spoken to by the user. The user has to ‘speak’ to the program for hours so that it can learn the user’s accent. Did you do that?

Yes, even did extra training. And I am dictating through it now with the words in brackets being those I added. I also added words to the vocabulary. And I have a fairly good class had thought [Koss headphone] that had good reviews for dictation. But it still fails to get words correct about 10% of the time, while sometimes coming up glitches and a recurring error on a new ( thank God) PC [W/ 8.1; ASRock 970 EXTREME3 mobo; AMD 6350 3.9ghz 6 core 64bit cpu; 8gb ram]. The auto punctuation does not work right either on third-party applications such as OpenOffice or Firefox.

Yet I have used it when writing at length (and probably should use it more), and it has much potential. One thing it should be able to do is configure it as easily as making hotkeys, so that you can choose your own words for custom commands. And use your own writings for voice training.

21 posted on 05/28/2014 10:50:12 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Bookmark for later. Rheumatoid arthritis here.

I feel for you, as that is more serious.

22 posted on 05/28/2014 10:51:04 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: dblshot

That looks interesting (and expensive), but I think the problem with me is not so much the inability to touch as it is hitting the wrong keys.


23 posted on 05/28/2014 10:52:17 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212

Voice dictation is too tedious for web surfing, so I’d stick with a keyboard. Although I have no suggestions how to overcome arthritis, I do have two suggestions that might improve your typing accuracy.

1) Consider an oversized keyboard. I Googled “large keyboard” and this is just one example:

http://www.fentek-ind.com/bigkey.htm#bigkeylx

2) Consider a standard size keyboard that has better tactile feedback. The modern, cheap keyboards have a indistinct, mushy feel. I like the old-style “clickety-click” keyboards such as IBM made 30 years ago. I tried a SIIG keyboard at a local store and just loved it. That keyboard is constructed with an aluminum base and feels hefty and solid. The keys have a crisp, quality feel. I can type better with something like that.

http://www.frys.com/product/6175039?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG


24 posted on 05/28/2014 10:55:50 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: TomGuy
Designed for Windows 98! But good for decades. Looks like a old HP one i have.
25 posted on 05/28/2014 10:56:13 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: ConstantSkeptic
Filter Keys is an accessibility option included in Windows. What it does is makes the keyboard ignore keys which are just briefly pressed. Would that possibly solve your problem?

Not likely, As I do not press the wrong keys any less time that I press the right keys.

One thing that has helped is using the auto hotkey utility to remap the caps lock key to ctrl + c, and the escape key to ctrl+v (and Esc the becomes Num Lock). Many other things are hot keyed also in the interest of speed. Thank God for what helps.

26 posted on 05/28/2014 11:02:08 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: fred42
I read a study (cannot remember where) that concluded that natural keyboards were actually not good to use. Keyboards with angled keys resulted in the user typing with his wrists angled or his elbows out.

I do not think that would be much of a problem for me much as due to my fingers being stiff and short then I cannot anchor my hands to the keyboard, but the problem might be with the division in the middle. And i usually use my left hand to hit the Y and H keys, or just one key when my hand is on the mouse, but i could adapt.

27 posted on 05/28/2014 11:24:59 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212

Have you tried an on screen keyboard? Prpably take a little getting used to like most things but should cut down wrong/dublicate key problem to save time editing.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/type-without-keyboard#type-without-keyboard=windows-7


28 posted on 05/28/2014 11:44:08 AM PDT by dblshot (I am John Galt.)
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To: dblshot

Thanks, but that would be even slower.


29 posted on 05/28/2014 2:09:20 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: TexasRepublic
1) Consider an oversized keyboard. I Googled “large keyboard” and this is just one example:

Thanks. I did a lot of looking today, among which was this type .

But i think what i need is a kb with soft touch, fairly raised and spaced keys. Below is one that looks the best for the price, but reviews (Amazon, Newegg) do not say all i would like to know. Pray and press. Digital Innovations Easy-View Keyboard #4250400

30 posted on 05/28/2014 5:18:37 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: petercooper; uncommonsense; TomGuy; spel_grammer_an_punct_polise; dblshot; Blood of Tyrants; ...
Wanted to let you know after praying and pressing, i bought the keyboard below for $11.00 total, which was a real improvement. The keys are normal height but are spaced further apart, so I am less likely to press the key next to it (which happens because fingers do not lift up easily to hit a different one).

The keys should be softer, but they do have good spring back which some like.

Thanks for the input.


31 posted on 06/06/2014 1:52:01 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212
That looks interesting (and expensive), but I think the problem with me is not so much the inability to touch as it is hitting the wrong keys.

Are you a touch typist?

You may have to start looking at the keyboard...

There are heated gloves available, but most of them look kinda big and bulky. think snowmobiling; not brain surgery...

32 posted on 06/06/2014 2:36:26 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: daniel1212

WHY did they put the CAPS LOCK right next to the letter “A”??


33 posted on 06/06/2014 2:37:37 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: daniel1212

WHY did they put the CAPS LOCK right next to the letter “A”??

On my old keyboards I removed the pesky thing; but this laptop is not gonna let me do THAT!


34 posted on 06/06/2014 2:38:19 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
WHY did they put the CAPS LOCK right next to the letter “A”??

I forgot to add that i had already remapped the Capslock to ctrl+c (copy), and Esc to ctrl+v (paste), and Numlock to Esc. The middle mouse button is ctrl+x (cut). And since on this kb they placed Print Screen next to a normal sized BackSpace, that was remapped to BackSpace since i kept hitting the Print Screen key. I have a separate utility for screen shots. The delete key was also moved from where i was used to it, so i remapped ScrollLock to Delete.

I use AutoHotKe y to do this, adding the following to a script:

NumLock::Esc

CapsLock::^c

Esc::^v

mbutton::^x

PrintScreen::backspace

Scrolllock::delete

Ask for more, like

#+1::Run C:\Program Files (x86)\BPBible\bpbible.exe

#U::Run C:\Windows\System32\appwiz.cpl

#!W::Run C:\Windows\SysWOW64\wuapp.exe

#!C::Run control.exe

If you run any of these in the Run command (Win key + R) they should launch as well.

Bless God for His many-fold grace.

35 posted on 06/06/2014 7:16:04 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Elsie
Are you a touch typist?

No, not much. See top.

36 posted on 06/06/2014 7:17:23 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Elsie
Edit. what i meant by the run command was the actual address, as C:\Windows\System32\appwiz.cpl (add/remove progs).

%windir% can also be a used for C:\Windows

37 posted on 06/06/2014 7:33:49 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212

Wow!

I’d didn’t know this feature was available!


38 posted on 06/06/2014 8:01:26 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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