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Climate Change Doomed the Ancients (Bad History Alert)
New York Slimes ^ | 5/27/14 | Eric Cline

Posted on 05/28/2014 11:16:33 AM PDT by mojito

...Senator James M. Inhofe of Oklahoma, the ranking Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee and a stalwart believer that global warming is a “hoax,” dismissed the report as a publicity stunt.

Perhaps the senator needs a history lesson, because climate change has been leading to global conflict — and even the collapse of civilizations — for more than 3,000 years. Drought and famine led to internal rebellions in some societies and the sacking of others, as people fleeing hardship at home became conquerors abroad.

One of the most vivid examples comes from around 1200 B.C. A centuries-long drought in the Aegean and Eastern Mediterranean regions, contributed to — if not caused — widespread famine, unrest and ultimately the destruction of many once prosperous cities, according to four recent studies.

The scientists determined the length and severity of the drought by examining ancient pollen as well as oxygen and carbon isotope data drawn from alluvial and mineral deposits. All of their conclusions are corroborated by correspondence, inscribed and fired on clay tablets, dating from that time.

Ancient letters from the Hittite kingdom, in what is now modern-day Turkey, beseech neighboring powers for shipments of grain to stave off famine caused by the drought. (The drought is thought to have affected much of what is now Greece, Israel, Lebanon and Syria for up to 300 years.)

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Weather
KEYWORDS: ancientgorians; catastrophism; climatechange; globalwarmingscare; godsgravesglyphs; planetgore; revisionisthistory; waronhistory; waronsciencememe
First, science "proved" climate change.

Now, "history" proves it too.

Uhm...except for the inconvenient fact that the Hittite kingdom of Anatolia wasn't a big consumer of fossil fuels...so maybe closing down coal plants isn't the way to go.

But don't bother to point out the fallacy of the left's arguments, you racist.

1 posted on 05/28/2014 11:16:34 AM PDT by mojito
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To: mojito

lol

they never stop and they never let facts and common sense get in the way


2 posted on 05/28/2014 11:17:57 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: mojito

Weather fluctuates...whodda thunk it.


3 posted on 05/28/2014 11:19:45 AM PDT by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: mojito

It’s been cooling off for the last 9,000 years. What did ya expect?


4 posted on 05/28/2014 11:20:44 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: mojito

If it wasn’t for global warming — Chicago would still be under a mile of ice.


5 posted on 05/28/2014 11:21:06 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: mojito
But don't bother to point out the fallacy of the left's arguments, you racist.

Yes this article Completely destroys their central point and conclusions but they are to stupid to notice. LOL

6 posted on 05/28/2014 11:21:45 AM PDT by usurper (Liberals GET OFF MY LAWN)
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To: mojito

They unearthed those Anatolian SUVs yet? or a stone tablet depicting those several-miles-long Anatolian tailbacks . . . ?


7 posted on 05/28/2014 11:23:13 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: mojito
Doomed the ancients? How can that be? No power plants...no coal production...no central heating...no air conditioning...no SUVs....

Perhaps this story is a blessing in disguise...a revelation that the climate has been changing...warmer,cooler,drier,wetter...for tens of thousands of years (at least).

8 posted on 05/28/2014 11:24:06 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Rat Party Policy:Lie,Deny,Refuse To Comply)
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To: usurper

It was all those Sumerian Sport Utility Vehicles* don’t you know?

(*Chariots)


9 posted on 05/28/2014 11:24:23 AM PDT by Argus
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To: mojito

Dear Mr Weetawded Author.

Your idiotic, though accurate historically account, disproves anthropomorphic or Hooman meddlen as the chief cause of anything, other than a certain avarice or necessity due to causes beyond their control and obviously ours.

Thnx for playing.


10 posted on 05/28/2014 11:25:06 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: mojito
Obviously, the Hittites could have saved themselves by eliminating their reliance on the as-yet-uninvented internal combustion engine while paying indulgences to a doughy former politician who told them scary stories.

This article accidently points out how stupid their entire argument is, not that the typical Times absorber will notice.

11 posted on 05/28/2014 11:26:15 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: BenLurkin; All
If it wasn’t for global warming — Chicago would still be under a mile of ice

If only that cesspool were!

12 posted on 05/28/2014 11:28:45 AM PDT by notdownwidems (Vote Republican! We're 1/10 of 1% better than the other guys!)
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To: mojito

What an idiot. Using naturally occurring droughts and such to debate someone’s skepticism on AWG.


13 posted on 05/28/2014 11:29:39 AM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: mojito
The Gov’ment don't pay, I mean give grants, to non man-made global warming scientist.
14 posted on 05/28/2014 11:29:48 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: mojito

No one really knows why the Hittite empire fell. But climate change is a constant in human history. The old Romans would probably be a little surprised to see their former grain fields in Northern Africa. And I don’t think it was the coal they were burning in their power plants.


15 posted on 05/28/2014 11:31:31 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: mojito

Too bad for them they didn’t know how to convert fossils to fuel. Could have saved a lot of lives.


16 posted on 05/28/2014 11:32:09 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Argus

No, it was due to their use of Trierms as they were heavily used, before the period of enlightenment and the industrial age, to transport all manner of goods.

The building of these vessels resulted in the deforestation of Scotland.

These dingy’s were a boon economically for many clans but, I think overall we can agree they also had a devastating effect on the climate as well.


17 posted on 05/28/2014 11:32:45 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: mojito

One of the more interesting observations of one born in my era is how far the NYT has fallen in intellect, believability, and most importantly - ability to affect events.

The entire staff would - quite simply - not even be hired as janitors a couple of decades ago.


18 posted on 05/28/2014 11:33:40 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Argus

yeah, the model year 1220 and 1221 Suburbans were a B*TCH on the environment.


19 posted on 05/28/2014 11:33:43 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Do NOT suffer fools gladly┬ůand message boards are full contact arenas)
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To: mojito

Must have been all their SUV’s


20 posted on 05/28/2014 11:34:17 AM PDT by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period. PALIN/CRUZ 2016)
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To: mojito

Seems to me that all they are “proving” is that climate change is a natural event.


21 posted on 05/28/2014 11:35:12 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: mojito

If I remember correctly, what happened to the Hittites, Greeks and Egyptians was a systematic migration of ethnic tribes who came and eventually threw the region into the first Dark Age, very similar to what happened with the Romans and the German tribes.


22 posted on 05/28/2014 11:38:49 AM PDT by Corporate Democrat
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To: Mr. K

Yep...It was the SUV’s, the deisel gulping long haul trucks, and all those farting cows....


23 posted on 05/28/2014 11:39:39 AM PDT by Boonie
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To: Boonie

oops..”i before e, except after c”

*diesel*


24 posted on 05/28/2014 11:40:58 AM PDT by Boonie
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To: Gay State Conservative
Doomed the ancients? How can that be? No power plants...no coal production...no central heating...no air conditioning...no SUVs....

Don't forget low population as well; less than 100 million if I recall my ancient history classes from 30 years ago.

25 posted on 05/28/2014 11:41:41 AM PDT by seowulf (Cogito cogito, ergo cogito sum. Cogito.---Ambrose Bierce)
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To: mojito

You’d get a more accurate rendition of history from the “Mr. Peabody” movie than the NYT ...


26 posted on 05/28/2014 11:43:55 AM PDT by mikrofon ("All the News that Fits our Views...")
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To: SunkenCiv

Ping.


27 posted on 05/28/2014 11:47:34 AM PDT by mojito (Zero, our Nero.)
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To: mojito

Periodic climate change is the rule scientifically as well as historically. That’s life folks, no getting around it. Both globally and regionally, the climate changes for a multitude of reasons. Regional variations are common.


28 posted on 05/28/2014 11:53:26 AM PDT by JimSEA
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To: mojito

I don’t know a sane person who doesn’t believe in climate change. On the other hand, I meet plenty of good thinkers who don’t believe that human beings in the modern world are causing it.

Who didn’t see this straw man running in from a mile away?


29 posted on 05/28/2014 11:55:58 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: mojito

Okay, it all happened before, but humans didn’t have the technology to deal with famine.

It looks to me as if the idiots just blew away their own argument that climate change is caused by man...


30 posted on 05/28/2014 11:58:04 AM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: Billthedrill

Before the Middle Ages Warming Period, there was another warming period centered around the year 1 AD. This means the Romans were able to conquer their largest land area in the Empire during this warm period when the Alps were passable and the winters mild!

Interesting to note, it got a little colder in years 400-800, and this natural climate change possibly contributed to the decline, (along with a list of 200 other things, including plague.)


31 posted on 05/28/2014 11:59:43 AM PDT by Titus-Maximus (Light from Light)
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To: mojito
The science was settled, now the history is settled, too.
32 posted on 05/28/2014 12:05:14 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: mojito

The author is a moron. There were no civilizations until the climate began to warm.


33 posted on 05/28/2014 12:05:56 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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There were no civilizations until the climate began to warm.

But the mammoth hunting was great!

34 posted on 05/28/2014 12:10:26 PM PDT by mojito (Zero, our Nero.)
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Written for idiots. Famine occured about every 6 or 7 years throughout most of history. One occured in Russia several hundred years ago that killed about 500,000 people. Another in Ireland in the mid 19th century, a mere 160 years ago, that killed over a million Irish, and ultimately reduced the population from 8 million to 4 million, an attrition rate of 50%. There's no need to go back thousands of years to prove a point, most particularly a pointless point. REAL climate change did occur, but not at all what these morons would want to hear.
Twenty years before the Duke of Normandy conquered Anglo Saxon England, climate did change. Getting colder at the higher elevations, it forced the Highlanders in Scotland down to raiding cattle from lowland communities, and started a 700 year cycle of ravaging, raiding and war that continued until Bonnie Prince Charles’ defeat in the mid 18th century. This never ending conflict had an enormous influence on the history of England, Scotland, Great Britain, and the War of the Roses, It also had a GIGANTIC impact on the history of America, the four major waves of immigration from England, Scotland and the UK, the makeup of the armies that fought in America in the mid 19th century (the war of northern aggression, aka the Civil War), the nationality of those that settled the West, Texas, the Gold Rush, and many of their descendants who still reside there.
The brainwashed morons aren't actually interested in history that is true, or that matters in terms of reality. They are only interested in that which advances their ridiculous and juvenile crusade to “save” the planet. What a shame. The true story of REAL climate change is fascinating, has affected virtually every American that has ever lived, and will continue to do so, but they'll never teach it in schools. Brainwashed idiots, indoctrinating impressionable youngsters. It needs to stop!!!
35 posted on 05/28/2014 12:23:41 PM PDT by Thapsus_epiphany (Si vis pacem, parabellum.)
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To: mojito
Jared Diamond wrote an excellent book on the subject...

"Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed"

Excellent until the last chapter where he starts blaming big corporations as the one of the most environmentally destructive forces in the world today....

Hence our coming demise...

36 posted on 05/28/2014 12:24:39 PM PDT by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: dead

If the ancients were doomed,where did we come from?.


37 posted on 05/28/2014 12:29:57 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: mojito

“One of the most vivid examples comes from around 1200 B.C. A centuries-long drought in the Aegean and Eastern Mediterranean regions”

All due to man made CO2!!! Al Gore said sooooo! /s


38 posted on 05/28/2014 12:32:29 PM PDT by ThomasMore (Islam is the Whore of Babylon!)
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To: mojito

Imagine the excessive amount of CO2 expelled into the atmosphere due to the extra heavy breathing that results from exerting oneself to pilot one of these ancient beauties!

39 posted on 05/28/2014 12:41:22 PM PDT by MCH
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To: SunkenCiv

Ancient history PING


40 posted on 05/28/2014 12:54:39 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The new witchhunt: "Do you NOW, . . . or have you EVER , . . supported traditional marriage?")
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41 posted on 05/28/2014 1:01:59 PM PDT by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: mojito

This can’t be true, the Earth was a green paradise devoid of hardship until Ford invented the automobile.


42 posted on 05/28/2014 1:29:54 PM PDT by eclecticEel ("The petty man forsakes what lies within his power and longs for what lies with Heaven." - Xunzi)
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To: mojito

Libs changed the terminology from global warming to climate change for a couple of reasons. Temperature data was not showing the global warming they were predicting; but likely more important by calling it climate change it is a trap of words. Is there climate change? Of course, anyone that argues that the climate does not change looks like an idiot. The issue is whether or not climate change is caused or made worse by man, that is where they want the water muddied. Conservatives are slow to pick up on the changes in wording- used to denying global warming is man-made now they are trapped into saying climate change is not real. I have heard several candidates say that recently. Just the other morning I watched a Republican candidate asked if climate change was real- and he rapidly replied that climate change is a hoax.

Many issues have been muddied by liberals changing the language. Illegal aliens>illegal immigrants>immigrants...done on purpose to create confusion between illegal immigration and legal immigration. Makes it easier for libs to convince people that those against illegal immigration are just racist. Then they can say- we are a nation of immigrants, we have always welcomed immigration...blah, blah, blah.

Liberals change wording for a reason, we all need to be on our toes.


43 posted on 05/28/2014 2:12:40 PM PDT by Tammy8
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To: mojito; a fool in paradise; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; ...
Thanks mojito for the topic and ping, and thanks a fool in paradise for the ping.

44 posted on 05/28/2014 5:19:58 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Thanks mojito for the topic and ping, and thanks a fool in paradise for the ping. Also one of *those* topics, as well as straight-up catastrophism.

45 posted on 05/28/2014 5:21:19 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: mojito

Oh, for heaven’s sake. Is the New York Times really that stupid, or are they just pretending?


46 posted on 05/28/2014 9:32:24 PM PDT by MrsEmmaPeel (a government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take everything you have)
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To: BenLurkin
"If it wasn’t for global warming — Chicago would still be under a mile of ice."

The oceans must have been pretty low then. If not, what happened to all the melted ice water?
47 posted on 05/29/2014 6:00:42 AM PDT by clearcarbon
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To: clearcarbon

Some info here: http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/EarthSC202Notes/GLACgeog.HTM


48 posted on 05/29/2014 6:55:24 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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