Skip to comments.I work in fast food and Iím not a teenager (MSM doubling down on socialism)
Posted on 05/30/2014 3:23:13 PM PDT by Olog-hai
In 1979, teenagers held 26% of all low-wage jobs, while adults aged 25-64 made up less than half of such workers, according to the Center for Economic and Policy Research, which analyzed the low wage workforce over a 30-year span. Today, only 12% of low paying jobs are held by teenagers, while adults make up 60% of them. Also, only 20% of such workers had attended some college in 1979. Today, its 33%. [ ]
A key argument behind the latest wave of strikes to raise wages to $15 an hour is that fast food workers these days are no longer just teenagers looking for pocket change. They are mothers and fathers struggling to raise children on wages that are too low, in most cases below poverty level. Research also shows that fast food companies havent shared their profits equally among their workers. While the lowest paid have not seen a raise in a long time, the industrys top management are not only being paid handsomely but have given themselves hefty raises.
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Duhhhhh.is CEO position next on the extortion list
In other words, no job at all.
As many people will soon discover.
“Research also shows that fast food companies havent shared their profits equally among their workers. “
You mean they’re supposed to?
Hard to share single-digit profit margins “equally”whatever that means. How do they expect to reinvest any of that? Can one demand “equal reinvestment” too?
1. Illegal immigrants have pushed teens out of many entry level jobs like this. These ‘mothers and fathers’ referred to in the article are often illegal immigrants in many parts of the country.
2. Fast food burger-making bots are already being made. http://www.dvice.com/archives/2012/11/burger_making_r.php Raise the wage just $2 and it will suddenly make far more sense to just go ahead and replace the people with the bot.
Show up early work hard at your best everyday, greet,customers on the phone and in person like your are happy to serve them, be the one people would rather work with and you will be running the place in no time......no matter what your degree. If a person is at and has earned the minimum for some time there is a reason........
Nope, it wasn't.
They look more and more like Dre Finley, who earns $8.78 an hour at Arby's in Tampa, Fla. He is 24, has a five-year-old daughter and another child on the way.
Anybody else seeing a pattern here?
Finley also holds an associates degree from a community college.
In what? An AA in Liberal Arts or Communications in worthless. Far better to learn a trade.
Bots will make me stay home. More losses for the fast-food “industry”.
My dad's advice:
Tanika Smith, a 25-year-old with a college degree, says her $8.75 hourly wage has barely budged since she started seven years ago at a McDonald's in Chicago. "I never imagined working at a fast food place with a B.A. I imagined I'd be working downtown at a law firm making major bucks," says Smith, who hopes to earn a master's degree and aspires to be a judge.
Well, sure they do. Don't want word to get out that African-American Equality Studies is a dead end.
As for Tanika Smith, she's worked at the same McD's job for 7 years and complaining how "she thought a BA would mean major bucks in a law firm." LOL... for real? Who are the people "counseling" these idiots? More importantly, if you don't have enough ambition to move on after 7 years, your problem is much, much deeper than any politician can solve.
Great. Another left-wing judge. Or would she be smart enough to reverse the policies that led to her working at McDonald’s for so long by declaring them unconstitutional? (Rhetorical, I know.)
One DOES have to get a job for immediately survival, paying rent and insurance, but the degree is for the future.
It is SO much easier to get the degree when one is young and without the encumbrances of a mortgage and family to support. Night school is horrible, just horrible, and it's not something I would wish on my worst enemy. GET THE DEGREE AFTER HIGH SCHOOL--then travel, get married, have a pile of children, whatever, but GET THE A.A./A.S. degree A.S.A.P.!!
By the time that folks get married and have children, getting that college degree is almost an impossibility.
One can always flip burgers or clean toilets but one CAN'T always go back to school for a degree. I taught at the community college level for 27 years, so I DO know what I'm talking about.
I hope to date a supermodel and win a Nobel prize in playing the didgeridoo .
I’m in no way disparaging a college education. I attended community college, got my AA, then went on to get my BS from a university — all 6-1/2 yrs of this as a night student who worked full time during the day. So, yes, I know how horrible it is.
Let’s not sugarcoat the fact that having children out of wedlock, and prior to receiving said degree, is a sure-fire way of stalling your future.
I will stand by my comment that an AA is not going to advance most people very far in most white-collar professions. The bachelors is pretty much the standard minimum, and even that, you better be very sure of what your expectations are. I have a stepdaughter majoring in Dramatic Arts right now. Don’t even get me started...
This is exactly where Obama wants them.
If they are hard-working and prosperous and paying their own bills and living a fine Middle-Class life, they are of no use to the Progressives
Conversely, the Progressives are of no use to anyone, not even themselves. They want to create a dystopia that will eat them last.
If older staff members are hard workers at Mickey D’s they will be moved to management in a VERY short time that IS the TRUTH of the matter!!!
And WHO was president during this shocking decline of quality of jobs? And HOW does a shocking decline in quality of jobs alter the market dynamics affecting the jobs in question? And how is it possible to NOT consider CNN a collection of excuse making damnable idiots?
Anybody remember when Pelosi accused Bush of only creating “McJobs” ?
In the era of Baraq, fast food it the new “breadwinner job”.
Dre Finley, 24, has a college degree and works at Arby’s for $8.78 an hour. He has a 5-year-old daughter and another baby coming soon.
Dre Finley, 24, works 40 hours a week at Arby’s on Fletcher Avenue, and between 10-12 hours a week across the street at McDonald’s. He says if people didn’t believe that the fast-food workers were serious about getting a raise, they know now (Finley was later one of approximately 100 protesters who were arrested after this interview took place).
“I think it’s so serious, they shut down one of their facilities today,” Finley told CL by phone from Oak Brook early this afternoon. “They were supposed to have a big meeting going on and I think they were afraid and they shut that down.”
Finley has been working at McDonalds for just the past month, where he makes $8.00 an hour. He’s been working a couple of years now at Arby’s, where he makes $8.25. He’s the father of a five-year-old girl and is wife is now pregnant with their second child. This was the third month in a row he was late on his rent payment.
When asked if the fast-food workers demand for a living wage of $15.00 is realistic particularly when Democrats are calling for the minimum wage to only to go $10.10 an hour, Finley said he believes it is, considering how large a corporation McDonalds is. But he said personally, he’d be quite content to make at least $10 or $11 an hour. “I would settle for that,” he says.
And I bet Tanika voted for Obama twice.
Get a clue, Tanika. Maybe you should be blaming your savior, Barack Hussein Obama, for failing to produce high-paying jobs that you so desire.
Now get back to work and make me a Big Mac.
I don't see anyone who looks like they are starving!
Some of those arrested were uniform-wearing McDonald's employees who had come for the protest from 33 U.S. cities. Also arrested was Mary Kay Henry, president of the Service Employees International Union, according to the union. Police could not immediately confirm that. The union is the financial and logistical backer for Fast Food Forward, the group organizing the protests.
Dre Finley, Tampa, Florida
When I was a kid back in the 50s I moved a lumber pile for a guy. It took me several hours and the cheap SOB gave me a nickel. But he also gave me a priceless lesson in negotiating my wages ahead of time.
Bots would get your order right a higher percentage of time and wouldn’t spit in your food or worse.
Electronic voice: “Welcome to Burger Boss! Please select your menu choices from the touch screen of this kiosk. I will prepare your order quickly and hygenically. Thank you for your patronage!”
Lets not sugarcoat the fact that having children out of wedlock, and prior to receiving said degree, is a sure-fire way of stalling your future.
Having children out of wedlock is the worst as it deprives children of having their daddy living at HOME and being there.
It is also quintessentially selfish and self serving. It shows an amazing degree of lack of self control. It's USUALLY a sign of a fatherless daughter...even worse.
I will stand by my comment that an AA is not going to advance most people very far in most white-collar professions.
True about the AA degree but, for some reason, that is usually the huge stumbling block for most people. I don't think that high school prepares students for college in any way, shape or form.
The AA is a small, humble degree but one simply CANNOT go into the white collar jobs with out it. So, in the long run, it's huge. TOO many young people think like you do, that the A.A. is small, useless. But, it's like learning to read and write...humble things that a six year old can do. However, those two humble little skills are the gateway to almost ALL learning. So, in fact, they are huge.
I believe that of the oh-so-small-A.A. degree.
The bachelors is pretty much the standard minimum, and even that, you better be very sure of what your expectations are.
True. I never had ANY other expectations from my parents other than I would eventually be a teacher. LATER I went back for the M.A. and it was SO MUCH easier than the B.A.. Hah, a mere 30 units for the M.A.--piece of cake.
I have a stepdaughter majoring in Dramatic Arts right now. Dont even get me started...
Lol. She would be a FABULOUS teacher with that degree. Her students would adore her!
When she gets out into the real world, REALITY will catch up with her. If she's got the backbone she can return to school at night and get a degree at something she can use. It would be FAR simpler as she would have all those pesky university "prerequisites" already out of the way.
*My husband went back to school at 29 and got a degree in mechanical engineering from the University of California (Berkeley). He simply "wasn't ready" before he was 29.
**My mother went to college WAY back when women did NOT go to college. She got her degree but she never used it. She learned to type and take shorthand and got TONS of work immediately. That was then. Things have changed.
BUT at 55 years old she went back to school AGAIN and took art. She became quite good.
She also took law. At 60 years old she took the California State Bar Exam, passed it the first time (It took Nixon THREE times to pass it.), hung out her shingle and practiced family law for 20 years, retiring finally at 80 years of age.
WOW, my hat is off to your mother! Now THAT’s ambition for you. Dre & Tanika could learn a thing or two from her, I’m guessing! LOL
Guess what what happens when you reward people for having low skills?
Blame the Obama economy. The place where I work has been cutting hours and positions, and restructuring the remaining positions to bring management level jobs down to entry level wages. I also see people walking in all the time leaving resumes showing their college and beyond education seeking basic entry level cashier work. This is the kind of thing that is happening all over the place. There may be some people who are just screw ups with a degree, but there are too many well educated and experienced people out there struggling to get by working jobs for which they are ridiculously overqualified.
What? You mean that doesn't happen?
these fast food employees are so stupid they think the Corporations OWN these restaurants! They have no idea about how the business works.
Electronic voice: Welcome to Burger Boss! Please select your menu choices from the touch screen of this kiosk.
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Sheetz already does that.
You order from touch screen maybe 2 people behind counter and you pay at the regular register line.
NO interaction between orderer and maker...
As to the ‘protesters’ - I am glad to see they can afford the day off and also be able to afford to gather from 33 cities??.. If the Union paying for all this, maybe the EMPLOYED should rethink where the dues are going?
These people will be getting a wake up call when the Happy Meal starts costing 10+ bucks and people decide to cook up a burger at home...
Kind of like a bar raising its bottle/can beer prices to where it is consistently cheaper to buy the whole 6 pack or case and drink at home....
Definitely NO one has any idea of the snowball effect this will cause....
Like the man said, the real minimum wage is $0.00
You order from touch screen maybe 2 people behind counter and you pay at the regular register line.
I’m waiting for the entire fast food “experience” to become automated. It wouldn’t be that difficult. You may need to keep one tech on the scene in case of a malfunction.
In 10 yrs the two people per shift at each location will be logistics.
It's an accomplishment, sure, but in the jobs world I think it's merely a stepping stone to a BA/BS, or perhaps to a more indepth trade. On its own, I don't believe (except for very particular circumstances) an AA is worth a whole lot. For someone like Dre in this article to use it as an example of how he's "educated" and that it puts him "above" the fast-food level, by itself, is simply wrong. NO DEGREE will put you above your hard work and ambition. There are a lot of people out there who are being steered to believe many things that aren't true about degrees and the job market. Many young people ought to be in trade schools or apprenticeships, but there's so much emphasis on "a college degree" that those things seem neglected, and hence, the value of the degree itself is watered down.
Perhaps a FReeper business owner/employer can give better insight.
I agree with everything you say.
If a man becomes a plumber, for example, or a car mechanic, he will have work for the rest of his life, here or in any foreign country.
We are descendants of Europeans, who worked for what they had. We don't feel demeaned by work, rather, the opposite.
So what does that mean for fast food places like McDonalds?
Well, there's the rub - because what we refer to as the minimum wage in Australia is in fact the minimum adult wage.
And for these purposes, 'adult' kicks in at age 21. People under the age of 21 are entitled to a lower minimum depending on their age. Sixteen year olds are entitled to just under half the minimum wage, twenty year olds get close to the minimum - but the point is, the younger you are, the cheaper you are.
Which places like McDonald's hire as few adults as possible (except, of course, in those managerial roles etc, that have real responsibility - and which also pay more than minimum wage).
The point is, yes, maybe in America, there are a lot of adults earning a 'low' minimum wage - but it's better to be earning that than being unemployed and earning nothing at all - which would be their probable fate if they lived in Australia, where the jobs they are doing simply aren't available to adults at all.
Im waiting for the entire fast food experience to become automated. It wouldnt be that difficult.
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Can see that happening...especially with the ‘auto car’ becoming closer to reality and if you can ‘operate’ a drone and make bombing runs half a world away, putting onions and lettuce on a burger should be a ‘snap’....
Would think the youngsters with a feel for ‘gadgets’ and video games should be looking into the robotics development/operation/repair field very seriously.
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