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Sad at results of Educational Testing. Any suggestions going forward? (Vanity)

Posted on 05/30/2014 9:47:04 PM PDT by MacMattico

I've brought up education issues before. I've tried to help other people's children with school difficulties and dealing with school administration. I have an Education background. My first child is a HS student and even with all of the public school problems we encounter, she enjoys her school (for the most part) and it is a small enough place where everybody pretty much knows everyone else. My daughter has nearly a 4.0 average. I went to the same school and was happy and grade obsessed. I never could understand how people thought HS was "hard". I must have been obnoxious. Going into the Education field (not any longer there) I got an attitude adjustment and realized different people have different strengths and weaknesses, and grades aren't everything.

But you know how when it comes to your own family things can seem so hard and different? My youngest daughter is in 6th grade. She is adopted, and I don't mean to imply anything by that except that we have no record of her life before age 1 and don't know anything about who her biological parents were or prenatal care.

She has really struggled with school this year. Common core hit really hard. She will pass, but with very low grades in the grade level curriculum, and I think some of these grades have been inflated because she is such a nice, outgoing kid, the most helpful,and that she tries so hard, and her teachers just love her. But we wanted a true reflection of her abilities so we took her for some outside testing.

Her IQ came back at 81. I'll be honest and tell you this broke my heart. She is also so trusting it seems no matter how much we try to teach her right and wrong that she has no impulse control and is going to get herself into some real trouble later in life. I hate to say it but the kind of kid that you could give the whole "don't take candy from strangers" talk to and five minutes later she'd be doing just that. It takes hours to get her through homework and it's like she never was at school that day sometimes-- no retention whatsoever. We study for a history test and even though it takes forever, she'll seem to understand the material and then fail the test miserably. I can't say "you didn't study" when I studied hours with her!

So a few weeks ago I stopped studying with her and only helped with homework when specifically asked a question because I didn't want her going in with perfect homework I had basically done. I wanted them to see her real work. Needless to say, she's not doing well. We got her a tutor once a week. When going through things one on one with someone outside the family, homework is done but info not retained.

The school has said because she is passing, she will not qualify to take special Ed classes but need to pass a foreign language(starting next year) and all of the usual high school courses including trigonometry and lab sciences. I know in my heart she can't do it. I'm not sure what to do. Even homeschooling I don't think I could teach her these things, and she loves school-- sports, friends and clubs especially. Testing by the school and by the private educational psychologist we brought her to both say she is "a few points above" being given Special Education services in NY. They did give her an IEP, though, which allows her to take a test in a quiet area and she can have a little extra time, but that's not helping the situation. She did come home crying after a state test because they had her take it in the regular classroom and she needs to whisper hard words and talk out math problems if she even has a chance to get them right. Other kids were telling her to shut up, and complaining she was bothering them. Which, really, she was but she needed to do that. She cried that she had told the sub she usually takes tests away from the group but was told no.

I'm very scared, as her mom, about her future. We're not sure what to do. Some days we think she'll never be able to live on her own. And it's not her fault but taking every evening doing homework and giving her all my attention and ignoring family time has caused us all great stress. She and I get so stressed it becomes a shouting match. Which I know is so wrong. And we're not even in jr high until next year... The good thing is, they believe their to be no mental health issues.

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Help, anyone?
1 posted on 05/30/2014 9:47:04 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: MacMattico

You need to get her testing by a learning specialist. She also needs to be evaluated for either down’s syndrome or fetal alcohol syndrome. Your child needs additional help. Federal mandates (and I really hate them) apply in educational settings. You will have to fight the school and the policies but work towards an IEP for her. You will need the evaluations to get this in place.

If you can put her in private school.

2 posted on 05/30/2014 9:55:22 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: MacMattico

The problem is not that your child’s IQ is 81 but that she is being raised by parents whose IQ is much higher. Biological parents have some kind of special gift for their own children, no matter what their IQ.

This is not a calamity. I think you are suffering right now from a sudden encounter with the facts, but you can compensate for this and have a wonderful, competent child. Probably you have to simplify your initial impulses in some way.

The challenge is probably going to be a great gift to you and your child. One person’s opinion, anyway.

3 posted on 05/30/2014 9:59:45 PM PDT by firebrand
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I agree with firebrand. I don’t think anyone here is going to say there are easy solutions. The good thing is that you love your daughter and want to do what is best for her.

4 posted on 05/30/2014 10:03:47 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: MacMattico

The solution is “Separation of School and State”. Put the kid in private school and put off buying the new Honda or end the yearly family vacation tradition.

We sacrifice to send our kids to a Christian based private school. The cost is around $500 per month per kid....or $15 per kid-day. Most parents spend way over that on after school snacks and bullshiite.

Your Public School is just like all the rest; a union operated, taxpayer funded hellhole. Missing out on government funded sports programs is NOT a loss!

5 posted on 05/30/2014 10:08:21 PM PDT by noprogs (Tired of believing wisdom can come from the collective, willful ignorance of American voters)
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To: aposiopetic; firebrand
That is a perspective that never occurred to me. I will keep it in mind, try to help her as much as possible, and adjust my own behavior and expectations. Thank you. May I ask why you think an IQ of 81 isn't really a problem and how with her grades etc things are ok?
6 posted on 05/30/2014 10:10:00 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: MacMattico

It sounds like your daughter has memory issues like Dori in Finding Nemo. Once you come to an acceptance of her abilities, you can come up with a plan or rather a guide for her future and for maximizing her potential. Surround her with loving, Christian persons and pray for God to guide you and her as she matures. She can have a very happy, fulfilling life. It may not be what you would find fulfilling, but your wants don’t matter. Love her and nurture her where she is. Let God take care of the hard stuff.

7 posted on 05/30/2014 10:13:10 PM PDT by petitfour
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To: MacMattico

I’m not sure when things are ever ‘OK’; we just hang in there and do our best. Her IQ is whatever her IQ is. Grades are not determinants of what the rest of her life will be, nor, presumably, of the support she will receive from her family now or in the future.

8 posted on 05/30/2014 10:16:09 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: MacMattico

We’re homeschooling, so I have no advice for the school issues themselves. But I did want to share this thought.

First, your daughter sounds like a delightful *person*, and that by itself is worth gold! She could be the opposite, you know — bright as a whip but mean and spiteful. Instead she’s lovely and good, and that’s worth an awful lot.

My thought is that though of course you want her to do well in school, you should also be thinking about what she can do with her entire life. For instance, I am not sure trig is going to be a terribly useful information set for her to learn. But maybe she has less intellectual but still valuable skills that she could use to make a living (or if not actually a living, then at least make herself happy by being useful and busy). For instance, is she clever with her hands? Does she have a good eye for color? Can she draw well? I wonder if some sort of trade or craft might be her ticket. For example, I have a friend who has always been artsy-craftsy but couldn’t seem to make a living from it. But in this last year she bought a spinning wheel and took lessons on how to use it. She also contacted alpaca owners and got raw wool from them. Now she is dyeing and spinning some really beautiful and unusual yarns (with things like gold and sparkly beads worked into the yarn) and it’s selling like hotcakes on Etsy and at farmers markets that she takes it to. She is well on her way (finally) to becoming financially independent, and although what she does takes shrewdness and judgment, as well as an artistic sense, she doesn’t have to remember numbers or anything like that. She’s a craftsperson now and she loves it.

Anyway, I just wanted to remind you to look for and help develop any special talents your daughter may have. Looking so hard at what’s missing, sometimes it’s hard to see the good things that are there already. Best of luck!!!

9 posted on 05/30/2014 10:16:36 PM PDT by Hetty_Fauxvert (FUBO, and the useful idiots you rode in on!)
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To: MacMattico

I have only the sparsest experience teaching academic subjects, but I did give guitar lessons for many years. So these are not highly organized thoughts.

Is there any kind of craft, with hands, with focus, with satisfactory result at the end you might get her involved in? Some people learn better with their hands.

Maybe that chain is not established for her. (think: painting, say) Interest > have idea > gather materials > focus > work while focused > happy result.

Maybe mystery books. Maybe playing an instrument. Does she read with reasonable ease, or does she stumble? Have you had her checked for dyslexia?

There are many people for whom solving a math problem bears no satisfaction. Thus they don’t internally assemble the steps req’d to do so and they resist that assemblage since they don’t see the point. Or they can’t readily (because they are inexperienced doing it) command their brains to concentrate and keep the steps in separate boxes as part of the problem solving process.

I believe that someone in the position you describe, eg; her social skills appear to come easily but her learning skills are underdeveloped, needs to experience some successes in the learning department in order to stoke her motivation and confidence. She needs to feel that she can have success not necessarily immersed in a gaggle of other people. Most crafts, or learning an instrument, are solitary pursuits. Maybe some successes out of a social climate would help her.

10 posted on 05/30/2014 10:16:48 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (At no time was the Obama administration aware of what the Obama administration was doing)
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To: aposiopetic

Why don’t you consider technical school? Although I have no
idea how that works pre-j.h.
I have a relative who is a SPED director and she constantly tells me that the “battle Moms” get the iep’s,
Many prayers for you.

11 posted on 05/30/2014 10:18:37 PM PDT by acapesket
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To: Nifster

These were my thoughts all along, and why we took her to a private Educational Psychologist (may I add at $200/hr) who basically said go with what the school is doing. She told us we could go to a higher level of testing with a specialist but thought we’d just be paying thousands of dollars for the same results. I’m trying to be proactive because I see HS on the horizon and I’m worried.

I looked at Private schools in our area and the Catholic ones (we are Catholic) don’t have much in the Special Ed dept and two others said if
your child needs Special Ed services, they get sent to the local (very good) public school for part of the day! (not our district)

12 posted on 05/30/2014 10:20:45 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: petitfour
Love her and nurture her where she is. Let God take care of the hard stuff.

If I may say so, the first part is the hard part, or at least the main part. Having attended to that, it is the DETAILS that may be entrusted to God's wisdom.

13 posted on 05/30/2014 10:28:28 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: dr_lew

It all depends on one’s perspective. And maybe it is hard to accept reality sometimes, so we need God to help us do that. I can see it both ways. :-)

14 posted on 05/30/2014 10:39:15 PM PDT by petitfour
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To: Hetty_Fauxvert; All

My daughter is a wonderful person, don’t get me wrong. I love her with all my heart and anyone that comes in contact with her is completely drawn to her personality. It is one of her greatest assets. She is the sweetest, most helpful person in this household! She is willing, and has, helped anyone who needs it in anyway she can.

She does love to work with her hands and be active. In NY we have BOCES, which is technical education, but still certain courses must be passed to graduate and I’m afraid that her social skills will allow her to be taken advantage of monetarily and in every other way. She went to a play with school and they stopped on the way back to get dinner. She was so excited to be with friends and buy her own food at a rest area! We gave her a $20 bill. She had used $10 of it at the play for a souvenir and had $10 left. Another student had no money. They kept complaining they were hungry. With a big heart she bought them dinner, leaving no money for herself. She went ten hours without eating. I had went through every scenario with her on how to make sure she would have money to eat. I even said if the situation arose where she wanted to help someone, get a teacher to help her figure out the money situation. Instead she just gave it all away.

15 posted on 05/30/2014 10:39:43 PM PDT by MacMattico
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The bad news is IQ counts, for a lot. The good news is that it’s not everything. One thing I would suggest is that please don’t tell her about the IQ will not be helpful.

The great boxer M. Ali had an IQ of 78 & he did fine. She can do will in the right environment.

16 posted on 05/30/2014 10:40:33 PM PDT by LongWayHome
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To: Hetty_Fauxvert

There are MANY, MANY, fields this young lady could support herself in life doing without trigonometry ect. ect., wedding cake bakery, floral
design, landscape design, interior design, there are many creative fields
she could choose and have a small business of her own!!!! I was never
great at math, science, I did love history and English but my true passion
was in the food industry!!!! I LOVE TO BAKE and have had very successful small businesses doing just that!!!!
I think you will find a VERY creative streak in this child if you just lighten
up and search it out!!!! Maybe she is NOT meant for college but a culinary
Type of school. A wedding cake today costs about $500.00-$1000.00
many states have cottage kitchen laws where cup cakes and wedding cakes can be made and sold from your own home!!!!
There are many options for this child STOP WORRYING and search out
her passions!!!!!

17 posted on 05/30/2014 10:41:36 PM PDT by Kit cat (OBummer must go)
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To: MacMattico

Because she is within the huge majority in the bell curve: 80 to 120 IQ. That is perfectly adequate for her to function in society. The real danger is that the expectations of the adoptive parents can be too high and leave the child with enduring feeling of inferiority. It’s a blessing that you discovered this now and can adjust your teaching within the family to her level.

I wouldn’t worry about technical school or whatever. Those worries are minor. The big one is to not expect her to perform above her ability. It’s more of a day-to-day, nurturing effort rather than any particular course of action, like private school or homeschooling, although both of those could be good.

18 posted on 05/30/2014 10:47:20 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
She has a problem with reading, but is making slow progress. They have tested her in reading and she seems capable, it just comes very slow and she falls further behind. You mentioned musical instruments. She so much wanted to be in band. Her sister made all-state last year and she wanted to be a part of that. She tried so many instruments but just couldn't keep time and would practice on a Monday and on Friday I'd say you haven't practiced since Monday. She'd seriously say “no I just practiced yesterday”. I don't know what that means.
19 posted on 05/30/2014 10:48:36 PM PDT by MacMattico
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Be VERY THANKFUL this wonderful child has a heart like this, she is a very giving child a VERY SPECIAL HEART!!!! She IS VERY social which
WILL help her in business, she WILL be fine you are worrying way to much be VERY thankful you are blessed with such a thoughtful human
being she is VERY young and I bet she grows up to be a VERY creative
business person!!!!

20 posted on 05/30/2014 10:50:04 PM PDT by Kit cat (OBummer must go)
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