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Richard Martinez... plans to meet killer's parents as he slams pols over gun control
www.nydailynews.com ^ | 5/3014 | BY NANCY DILLON , LARRY MCSHANE

Posted on 05/31/2014 5:39:03 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda

Richard Martinez, father of slain Santa Barbara student, plans to meet killer's parents as he slams pols over gun control The grieving dad said in an interview with the Daily News that politicians are 'spineless and craven' when it comes to ending gun violence: 'When is enough enough?' Martinez lost his son Christopher Michaels-Martinez, 20, in the May 23 shooting carried out by madman Elliot Rodger.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/richard-martinez-father-slain-santa-barbara-student-plans-meet-killer-parents-article-1.1812100#ixzz33INrRUBs

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I sympathize with this guy and the loss of his son, but he is completely off base here. He mentions absolutely nothing about mental health which is the REAL reason his son was killed. The problem is not an inanimate object - The problem is how mental health is dealt with in this country.
1 posted on 05/31/2014 5:39:03 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

The police were called in to check. They didn’t check to see if the killer had purchased guns. It’s another case of the gov not doing its job, then everyone saying we need more laws. The US doesn’t need more laws since it seems authorities are incapable of enforcing the ones already in place.


2 posted on 05/31/2014 5:44:06 AM PDT by grania
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

We need gun, knife, and BMW control. Now.

After that, the crazy will find another tool as long as mental illness is ignored.


3 posted on 05/31/2014 5:44:41 AM PDT by ilgipper
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

BS - Mental health will never solve this. Getting more people trained and armed is the only real solution.


4 posted on 05/31/2014 5:45:56 AM PDT by fulltlt
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Something was deeply disturbing in the way we first saw this guy...the SPEED and the VITRIOL with which he reacted in the media.....

Then I found out he used to be a criminal defense attorney. So that explained a lot.


5 posted on 05/31/2014 5:46:03 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: grania

Let’s drug every boy at fourteen that’ll solve the problem!


6 posted on 05/31/2014 5:47:48 AM PDT by Dr. Ursus
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

His son was killed in a “gun free zone”


7 posted on 05/31/2014 5:48:18 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Dr. Ursus
Let's drug up every boy at fourteen that'll solve the problem!

Are you one of us who suspects that IS the problem?

8 posted on 05/31/2014 5:52:08 AM PDT by grania
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Elliot Rodger’s father didn’t teach him him how to be humble and be a man. No law it going to fix that.


9 posted on 05/31/2014 5:56:55 AM PDT by disclaimer
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To: SoFloFreeper

That explains a lot. And make no mistake: The left is going to have this guy on every major news show for the next year, they LOVE a guy like this, especially as we near the elections, and 100% of the focus will be on guns and the NRA, connecting the Republicans to guns and the NRA and how evil they all are blah blah blah, and absolutely nothing will be said about why an absolute psychopath was allowed to run amok for months on end when his own parents tried to have him committed. I remember when I was a kid growing up in the early 60s, the “men in the white coats” would come and take someone away who was acting irrational. I remember clear as a bell them taking someone away in a straight jacket, and they actually had “white coats” just like the cliche. You NEVER see that anymore. But what I DO see quite often, is people acting completely insane in the street.


10 posted on 05/31/2014 5:56:56 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Hitlery: Incarnation of evil.)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
Yo, Mr. Martinez, the nutjob stabbed his fist three victims to death. If one of them had had a gun, your child might be alive today.

What a rectum.

11 posted on 05/31/2014 5:58:30 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: SoFloFreeper

“Something was deeply disturbing in the way we first saw this guy...the SPEED and the VITRIOL with which he reacted in the media.....
Then I found out he used to be a criminal defense attorney. So that explained a lot.”

So how many criminals did he put back on the streets because of technicalities and skirting the law. How many deaths is he responsible for? Did any of his clients carry illegal guns? Maybe he should look in the mirror first.


12 posted on 05/31/2014 5:59:48 AM PDT by FR_addict
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To: SoFloFreeper
Then I found out he used to be a criminal defense attorney.

Great info. Thanks.

I wonder how many other people's children are dead because of people he helped keep on the streets.

13 posted on 05/31/2014 6:00:09 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: grania
Let's drug up every boy at fourteen that'll solve the problem! Are you one of us who suspects that IS the problem?

Not only the drugs, which have more adverse side-effects than the supposed "good" they do, but also the lack of attempt to train those with issues to cope and overcome them w/o the drugs. If I was going to school today (instead of the '50s/'60s), I would be under several diagnoses that resemble ADDs/ADDHD (or whatever they are) and they would be wanting to drug me up too. I wasn't molly-coddled and was taught that I could stay aware of what was going on and learn to control my behavior. Today's society is too lazy and everyone wants the "designer drug solution".

14 posted on 05/31/2014 6:01:29 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
You're right. These massacres are occurring at an alarming rate. Something is making people go off like that. If we could find and treat the underlying causes, we might not have so much carnage.

For all the science and technology out there, the brain is still poorly understood. Far too many illnesses are undiagnosed or misdiagnosed. What treatments exist are often inappropriate and ineffective. And the severely deranged are allowed to walk among us thanks to do-gooders who are too worried about the rights of the mentally ill to even consider the threat to the safety of the rest of us.

Unfortunately, thanks to Obamacare, any further research and development of solutions will be stifled. This is what happens under government-run health care. The resources and incentives to find cures or effective treatment of any illness are lost. Way to go Obama.

15 posted on 05/31/2014 6:02:08 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: ilgipper

BAN ASSAULT BEEMERS NOW!!


16 posted on 05/31/2014 6:07:19 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Locally we have the family of a victim and the family of the killer standing together for greater influence in forcing hospitalization of mentally ill family members. Nobody knows unusual behavior better than a family member.

The killer’s family had repeatedly tried unsuccessfully to have their adult son involuntarily hospitalized because he was a danger to himself and others. He ended up killing an elderly neighbor with a hammer. They found him wearing her dress with her head in a bag. He said she was emanating rays at him.


17 posted on 05/31/2014 6:11:02 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

No doubt. Being a current/former “criminal” defense lawyer (rhymes with liar) he knows how to play to the “jury” which will now be the few remaining idiots that watch any of the majors. Problem is, like the lyin’king himself, they have pens and phones. I too find it a little disconcerting that he almost instantly jumped on firearms. The only homicides where the perp isn’t the culprit is with firearms. Odd huh? No chance that he would try to blame the tire manufacturer, the oil maker, the power steering fluid maker, the knife manufacturer. You get the gist of it I know.


18 posted on 05/31/2014 6:11:49 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: grania

Move along, nothing to see here:

http://libertycrier.com/nearly-every-mass-shooting-last-20-years-shares-one-thing-common-weapons/


19 posted on 05/31/2014 6:13:28 AM PDT by Captain7seas
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To: trebb

the control drugs...are there to ensure that One Size Does Fit ALL.

If we are to be a Homogeneous Commune.....there must be no variation in the perceptions nor the behavior..nor the accomplishments of the members of the commune.

SUBSERVIENCE RULES!


20 posted on 05/31/2014 6:14:21 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

The problem is his son was not armed and trained to protect himself from homocidal maniacs.


21 posted on 05/31/2014 6:25:29 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Maybe he’s offering the dad his services.


22 posted on 05/31/2014 6:29:18 AM PDT by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I think he’s getting ready to run for office on the back of his dead son


23 posted on 05/31/2014 6:29:47 AM PDT by reefdiver (Be the Best you can be Whatever you Dream to be)
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To: trebb

Sound more likely the young man was diagnosed (possibly a psychosis ) had medication prescribed but typically refused to take it. There should be an option that refusal of medicine automatically triggers a controlled environment ( institutionized)
We joke about people being “off their meds”. But I’m certain more than one of the multi death incidence can be traced back to either doctors adjusting medication or patient refusal to take it Get unstable off streets until they are stable


24 posted on 05/31/2014 6:32:39 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then or now)
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To: fulltlt

Yup, even the mental go for ‘gun free zones.


25 posted on 05/31/2014 6:32:55 AM PDT by Scrambler Bob (You can count my felonies by looking at my FR replies.)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

He’s a freakin’ criminal defense lawyer who couldn’t let the loss of his son get in the way of his seeking the spotlight. I think he’s a total sleazy bastard.

Someone needs to check to see how many clients he’s represented who committed crime(s) with guns, who he worked to get off.


26 posted on 05/31/2014 6:35:30 AM PDT by EDINVA
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To: SoFloFreeper

He’s setting himself up for a lawsuit, or paid sponsorship by any number of Gun Control groups.


27 posted on 05/31/2014 6:42:33 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: reefdiver

“I think he’s getting ready to run for office on the back of his dead son”

Or be used as a tool for someone running for office. Think Hitlery and the demonrats.


28 posted on 05/31/2014 6:42:44 AM PDT by Stormdog (A rifle transforms one from subject to Citizen)
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To: Stormdog; GrandJediMasterYoda

He’s going to become a “Cindy Sheehan Activist”.

Look for him to be all over the place.

.


29 posted on 05/31/2014 6:51:06 AM PDT by Mears
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To: fatnotlazy

Mental health will never prevent murders.

In fact advocating for mental health in these cases is a very slippery slope.

It could lead to:

Your Obamacare doctor says you are mentally ill - no guns for you.

You subscribe to lists like this - uou are mentally ill - no guns for you.


30 posted on 05/31/2014 7:21:10 AM PDT by fulltlt
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

There is going to be a very big push for gun confiscation after the Bundy standoff. and the Statists are going to use every tool to disarm America. They are going to go full throttle too. There is going to be no talk of hunting guns or home defense guns.
Remember Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals” Martinez is just a tool.


31 posted on 05/31/2014 7:26:30 AM PDT by MCF (If my home can't be my Castle, then it will be my Alamo.)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

“Never let a (manufactured) crisis go to waste.”


32 posted on 05/31/2014 7:32:18 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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“....advocating for mental health in these cases is a very slippery slope.”

Absolutely! Diagnosis of mental illness can be politicized very quickly, especially under a `single payer’ medical system where doctors/psychologists become de facto agents for state security.

“Voted against Dear Leader Obama. you say? That’s mental illness defined. Turn in your guns now & prepare to submit to mental evaluation!”


33 posted on 05/31/2014 7:34:34 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

I called this one- kumbaya with Martinez, and “Oh My God” Peter Rodger and his twisted son become just more victims of the 2d amendment


34 posted on 05/31/2014 7:54:22 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: EDINVA

this

and how many families have been victimized by perps he let walk out of the courtroom


35 posted on 05/31/2014 7:55:59 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: ilgipper
We need gun, knife, and BMW control. Now.

I'm with ya' on the BMW control. We need to take away the "Yes, I do own the whole damn road." certificates that BMW owners get when they buy their car.

36 posted on 05/31/2014 8:03:10 AM PDT by super7man
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

A frickin’ “lawyer”? I should have known. You can bet he’s about to go into politics as another ‘RAT freeloader too afraid to get a real job.


37 posted on 05/31/2014 8:17:41 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Obama's smidgens are coming home to roost.)
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To: FR_addict

“...he used to be a criminal defense attorney...”

Seems like he is still defending criminals and deflecting blame to “society”. Old tricks are hard to unlearn.

To jump off the mark like this in just a few hours, this man must have been screwed up and full of unfocused hatred long before his boy was killed.

Now he has a focus. Preaching more discredited mechanisms and bankrupt philosophies.

Perhaps like the the Sandy Hook kid’s father....he will get his 15 minutes of fame dancing in the boy’s blood and then the lib media will abandon him like yesterday’s news.

People like Gabby Gifford and Jim Brady make much better martyr’s as they are wheeled out to drool for the cameras and struggle to mouth some per-rehearsed clicks and grunts like trained seals.

Martinez could also see opportunity in his boy’s death like Mommy Trayvon, “Buzz Lightyear” Gifford did.

I remember the McCarthy woman in NY who rode her husband’s subway shooting death into Congress. She is a dim bulb but well suited to her constituency.

Shameless opportunists all. God save them.


38 posted on 05/31/2014 8:38:17 AM PDT by Lowell1775
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

This guy is promising to be even more obnoxious than Trayvon Martin’s parents. I feel very sorry for his loss, which didn’t appear to be the result of poor parenting, although SB is known as a party school and meat market. But it creeps me out that he is using the situation so publicly so soon. Curious to know if he is still married to and living with his son’s biological mother, or was an every-other weekend dad.


39 posted on 05/31/2014 9:00:06 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: FR_addict; SoFloFreeper
"Then I found out he used to be a criminal defense attorney. So that explained a lot.”

So how many criminals did he put back on the streets because of technicalities and skirting the law. How many deaths is he responsible for? Did any of his clients carry illegal guns? Maybe he should look in the mirror first.

Wow, bingo to both of you. And the father of the perp was a divorced player and a purveyor of filthy violent media. Karma got right around to both of them in their lifetimes, perhaps?

40 posted on 05/31/2014 9:03:20 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: fatnotlazy
If we could find and treat the underlying causes, we might not have so much carnage.

That's easy. Start teaching God's laws in school.

41 posted on 05/31/2014 9:09:59 AM PDT by raybbr (Obamacare needs a death panel.)
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To: EDINVA
Someone needs to check to see how many clients he’s represented who committed crime(s) with guns, who he worked to get off.

I can think of a freeper who has the skillz to do that! :-)

42 posted on 05/31/2014 9:10:41 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Has anyone found out anything about Richard Martinez yet?

It was like he appeared out of thin air on the day of the shooting. He has no Internet presence other than that, no business, no residence, no phone numbers, no photographs.

Importantly, there are several Richard Martinez’s in California, but all the others do not fit his profile.

His son, if it is indeed his son, has an identity, but the father is a blank.


43 posted on 05/31/2014 9:31:29 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

The gun grabbers 15 mins are up. Loser.


44 posted on 05/31/2014 9:48:58 AM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
The grieving dad said in an interview with the Daily News that politicians are 'spineless and craven' when it comes to ending gun violence

OK, Mr. Dad, suppose they were NOT spineless and craven.

What, exactly, would you have them do?

45 posted on 05/31/2014 10:10:24 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Jim Noble

Take a look at the movies this man has directed....


46 posted on 05/31/2014 10:13:22 AM PDT by Kackikat
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To: FR_addict

As a Director in Hollywood...do you think the claim this whole situation was a Hoax by Richard Martinez? I don’t know but I found this on the internet...not saying i agree, but here is the conspiracies:

http://globalelite.tv/2014/05/26/santa-barbara-drive-by-mass-shooting-hoax-exposed/

This whole scenario is weird if the killer was really gay...


47 posted on 05/31/2014 10:23:52 AM PDT by Kackikat
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To: Kackikat

Peter Rodgers not Richard Martinez was the question in my last post....Peter Rodgers is the Director of film and father of Eliot Rodgers.

I think Richard Martinez blaming the NRA is definitely a grief related onslaught....however, no one is saying what he does for a living...Does anyone know? Did Democrats get to him about using his son’s death for promoting gun control? Or was he just anti gun to begin with? Why is he not blaming Rodgers who killed his son?


48 posted on 05/31/2014 10:54:12 AM PDT by Kackikat
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Look at comment #5.... SoFloFreeper said he was a criminal defense attorney, I don’t know how he found that out, but if true it would be interesting to know if he ever helped any clients beat gun charges or defended any armed robbery suspects or even murder suspects. It just seems strange like you said why this guy would be holding press conferences the day of the killing to denounce gun laws rather than mental health laws/issues which is the real reason his son was murdered.

When a psycho is hellbent on killing people, being shot is one of the least gruesome ways they can do it. They had a case here in NYC a few years back where a guy made a flamethrower and burned a woman to death in an elevator. Would Mr. Martinez have preferred his son get killed that way? The point being that if a psycho is hellbent on killing people, he is going to kill people gun or no gun. The issue is not guns, the issue is why psychopaths are being allowed to run amok.

In every single mass murder case we’ve had, the killer was known to be a danger or out of control, yet nothing was done because it is extremely difficult to involuntarily commit someone to a mental institution today, most likely because of prejudice against the mentally ill. If someone gets hit by a car they are immediately taken to a hospital yet the mentally damaged are ignored as if it’s not serious when nothing could be further from the truth. Another reason could be people think those laws would be abused, accusing mentally sound people of being deranged. Instead of focusing on the rights of illegal immigrants, how about they focus on this metal health issue instead?


49 posted on 05/31/2014 11:17:53 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Hitlery: Incarnation of evil.)
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To: Texas Eagle

Richard Martinez, purported father of Christopher Martinez, cannot be found in CA using an intelius search. Christopher Martinez is not on Facebook? Veronika Weiss not on Facebook? No mention of a funeral for Christopher Martinez per google search. Richard Martinez mentions Karen Michaels (age 64 or so) in this video, looks to his left, and at 1:16-1:23 of the video you’ll see she’s not there. Why the mystery shadow on the picnic table when the sun is overhead. This all smacks of a reality show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlZDvnpqvF0 - “Is my director talking?”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkQeBfz0DtQ - crying psy-ops crisis actor (the “father”)

http://abcnews.go.com/US/santa-barbara-shooting-victims-father-richard-martinez-gun/story?id=23881925 - Notice the photoshopped shadow on the picnic table at 1:16-1:23. Why is there no shadow on the edge of the table? Why doesn’t the camera man show the wife and the son? When the father introduces the mother he looks at the man on the left of the table (off screen)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hL-Widy8K34 - the deli


50 posted on 05/31/2014 11:44:34 AM PDT by Hubie59
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