Posted on 05/31/2014 4:35:46 PM PDT by nickcarraway
Credentials? you want to match your PhD against some other PhD? And do you have a discipline? You say you ‘are a PhD educated medical researcher etc’. And your ‘current focus is public health’...Are you employed? Are you now at a paid researcher focusing on public health? And btw, are you really ‘exDem’ or just ‘exMom’? Are you really still a flaming liberal wanting the Gobment to control all aspects of our lives?
Gee, one fourth of the large cattle operations feed their calves pasteurized milk.
Care to comment and reconcile that with your statement that those calves would die?
Any credentials on that fact?
Give a new born calf pasteurized milk...never let it close to the teat...live or die?
Being concerned with matters of public health does not equate to "wanting to control all aspects of our lives." Did you miss the part where I said that I really don't care if you choose to drink raw milk, as long as you are fully aware of the risks?
If you are not fully aware of the risks, then why get so argumentative at me for pointing them out? Why not get mad at the raw milk sellers who lie about the risks in order to get people to buy their product?
Consumption of Raw or Unpasteurized Milk and Milk Products by Pregnant Women and Children
Milk of Nonhuman Origin and Infectious Diseases in Humans
If it were up to me, I would require all raw milk producers and sellers to pay for every epidemiological investigation that has to be conducted following raw milk illness outbreaks, and to cover hospitalization costs and long-term care costs for patients affected by drinking raw milk. Perhaps if they were held legally and financially liable for the damages they cause, they would be more truthful about their products.
The evidence says they continue to live.
“Perhaps if they were held legally and financially liable...”
Yes, while we are on that subject, perhaps if the FDA and the big drug companies were held financially and criminally liable for bad drugs that kill people. Especially after it is found that the drug companies and FDA hid the fact that they were bad. And it is not just prescription drugs. Tylenol, Acetaminophen, damages livers. Acetaminophen is one of the leading causes of livers damaged to the point of needing replacement via transplant. Normal recommended dosing can cause liver damage, and without any alcohol effects present. Why, Mom, is it still legal to market acetaminophen products? The drug companies making Tylenol and Acetaminophen and the FDA know this is so. CDC knows it and have posted warnings. Why aren’t these people in prison, the high officials in the FDA and the CEO’s etc of the companies making and marketing acetaminophen products?
But it seems you want to ignore that and go after the Amish farmer who has a few people who buy raw milk from him. Your priorities are out of line, Mom!
And btw, Mom, I know the ‘hazards’ of drinking real milk. The system want to crucify any of us who choose to do so. I also know that the real hazard of drinking milk of any kind is the calcium. Calcium is a killer...I would refer you to Dr. Thomas Levy’s book, “Death by Calcium”. (Dr. Thomas Levy, MD, JD, cardiologist)
And you are probably one of those who thing women need calcium and Fosamax to deal with osteoporosis...
Show me the evidence...I do not believe calves that get no colostrum continue to live as a general rule.
Since more than 25% of large cattle farms, whose very livelihood depends on a high survival rate of calves, isn’t good enough for you, I doubt anything would be proof enough.
If the FDA and "big drug companies" are trying to hide something about acetaminophen, they sure are doing a poor job about it. I've been reading articles about liver toxicity issues associated with high doses of acetaminophen since the 1970s. People are not paying enough attention to the warnings, which is why the FDA recently changed the rules about acetaminophen sales. Moreover, every drug sold must contain a fairly comprehensive disclosure statement warning patients not just of the possible side effects of that specific drug, but general side effects that can be seen with any number of drugs. Companies falsifying or concealing data face huge legal and financial repercussions. Furthermore, even though drug companies do not intentionally hide the risks associated with their products, they can be sued for damages.
There isn't even anything similar between the strict regulatory oversight of drug companies and the "freedom" of raw milk producers and advocates to openly lie about raw milk without ever being held responsible for the sicknesses, permanent disabilities, and deaths it causes. They absolutely should be held financially and legally liable for the damage they cause. Here are just 6 people permanently injured by raw milk; the combined medical expenses of 5 of them are over 2 million dollars (one of them did not list medical costs). Two of these cases are from CA, which now requires all raw milk to carry a warning label. (Ironically, if those selling raw milk were held financially and legally responsible for the damage they cause, they could point to those labels in court as evidence that they were not misleading consumers. But that only applies in CA.) Add up all of those medical costs, plus the expense of epidemiological investigations--it is unfair to make taxpayers pay for all of that when it is those selling raw milk under false pretenses who are directly responsible.
As I have said several times already, I am perfectly okay with you or anyone else choosing to drink raw milk as long as you are fully aware of the risks. My objection only comes up because of the lies and deceptions used to sell raw milk. Right now, an unscrupulous farmer who does not want to invest in pasteurization equipment and the associated quality-control testing is free to claim all kinds of magical properties of raw milk in order to sell his product--clearly, he is motivated by profit and nothing else. Hold him financially responsible, that is all I am saying.
P.S. I have no idea where you got that idea about calcium. Calcium is a necessary mineral, without which your body would shut down.
Where does all this pseudoscience come from, and why does a small minority of people lap that stuff up?
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