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In what ways are we less free now?
5/31/2014 | Vanity

Posted on 05/31/2014 5:25:39 PM PDT by Wage Slave

I was watching a show last night on the Liberty Channel that featured Dennis Prager. Mr. Prager started talking about the fact that we are much less free now than we were in the past.

He mentioned that he was able to buy cigarettes for his mother when he was 10 years old.

That got me to wondering what other freedoms we've lost that our children will never know about. Maybe it would be a good idea to let them know so they can get an idea of what it means to boil a frog slowly.

In what ways do you think we are less free now?


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1 posted on 05/31/2014 5:25:39 PM PDT by Wage Slave
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To: Wage Slave

Airport Security


2 posted on 05/31/2014 5:31:55 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein!)
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To: Wage Slave

When I was 18 years old in CA I walked into a Western Auto and walked out with a 12ga shotgun.


3 posted on 05/31/2014 5:33:24 PM PDT by umgud
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To: Wage Slave

Freedom of Association. If you run a cake business, you can’t even turn away customers for moral reasons.


4 posted on 05/31/2014 5:34:14 PM PDT by Our man in washington
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To: ClearCase_guy
30 years ago, how many people were really afraid of the cops? Jeez, you knew they were there to serve and to protect. The crooks didn't like the cops, but that's the way it's supposed to be, right? Normal people may have worried about a ticket, but normal people knew that the cops weren't going to give them a hard time.

Today? I think virtually every American lives in fear of the cops. If you're lucky, they will only kill your dog. Say the wrong thing, and they'll beat you to death.

6 posted on 05/31/2014 5:35:26 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein!)
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To: Wage Slave
SNL had a great skit with Chevy Chase and Richard Pryor which involved the n-word.
Mel Brooks made "Blazing Saddles" which involved the n-word.

Not today.

7 posted on 05/31/2014 5:37:04 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein!)
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To: Wage Slave

High School or College graduation speech? Better not mention God — it’s practically illegal in this country.


8 posted on 05/31/2014 5:37:38 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein!)
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To: umgud

The first personal check I ever wrote was to a gunshop for a Winchester 1200 when I was 14.


9 posted on 05/31/2014 5:37:53 PM PDT by digger48
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To: Wage Slave
Take stroll through the Bill of Rights.

Few remain in force.

The rights we exercise are done so at the pleasure of Rome-on-the-Potomac.

10 posted on 05/31/2014 5:39:26 PM PDT by Jacquerie (To restore the 10th Amendment, repeal the 17th. Article V.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I remember when there was no airport security. Everyone was free to go right up to the gates.


11 posted on 05/31/2014 5:41:12 PM PDT by Wage Slave
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To: Our man in washington

No more freedom to practice religion. At least for Christians.


12 posted on 05/31/2014 5:43:11 PM PDT by Wage Slave
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To: Wage Slave
Might as well mention smoking. You could smoke on a plane, on a train, in an office, in a bar or restaurant.

A lot of people said, "Stop the smokers! They're nasty!"

And that's pretty much how all freedoms get taken away. Someone, somewhere, somehow is offended. And *poof* you aren't so free anymore.

13 posted on 05/31/2014 5:45:07 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein!)
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To: Wage Slave

Are you kidding? If I have two beers in less than an hour and am pulled over not necessarily for driving poorly I could spend four months in jail and lose my license for 6 months.


14 posted on 05/31/2014 5:45:31 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Wage Slave

Its illegal for anyone under the age of 18 to ride in the back of a pickup truck in my state.

Smoking on school property at any time anywhere is a ticketable offense.


16 posted on 05/31/2014 5:46:16 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: Jacquerie

Speaking of Rome on the Potomac, I used to wander the halls of Congress at will when I was a teenager. No guards or metal detectors to stop me.


17 posted on 05/31/2014 5:46:18 PM PDT by Wage Slave
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To: ClearCase_guy

They got rid of Song Of The South ... and kept Blazing Saddles ................. up is down, in is out


18 posted on 05/31/2014 5:46:57 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: Wage Slave

I walked across the tarmac back in 55 or 6


19 posted on 05/31/2014 5:48:26 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: Wage Slave
Americans do not have the right to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects... at least according to driftdiver:

http://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3162240/posts?page=37#37

20 posted on 05/31/2014 5:48:36 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: Wage Slave

Bicycle and motorcycle helmets were optional. Actually, I never heard of a bicycle helmet until I was in college or later.


21 posted on 05/31/2014 5:48:51 PM PDT by Wage Slave
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To: knarf

Seat belts.

Be careful taking pictures of landmarks.


22 posted on 05/31/2014 5:49:51 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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Smoking on school property at any time anywhere is a ticketable offense.

Well yea, but that is mostly enforced against employees by Nazi busy-bodies at the school. Kids smoke on the sidewalks off school property. No one bothers them.

23 posted on 05/31/2014 5:50:11 PM PDT by MileHi
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To: cripplecreek

Riding in the back of the pickup was the preferred method of transport when I was a kid.
I think in California, even your dog can’t ride in the back of the truck unless tethered.


24 posted on 05/31/2014 5:50:16 PM PDT by Rio (Proud resident of the State of Jefferson)
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To: Wage Slave

We did get rid of our helmet law for motorcycles a year or so back.

Its like seatbelts, a good idea doesn’t make a good law.


25 posted on 05/31/2014 5:51:21 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: Rodamala

You have trouble with sarcasm I see.


26 posted on 05/31/2014 5:52:53 PM PDT by MileHi
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To: MileHi

In high school we took guns to school during hunting season and that was in the 80s.


27 posted on 05/31/2014 5:52:56 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I’ve definitely noticed the change in the cops in the past 5 to 10 years.


28 posted on 05/31/2014 5:53:05 PM PDT by Wage Slave
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To: cripplecreek
Met a guy in WalMart parking lot today ... he drove in with his black and chrome 61 Caddy.

He let me sit in it ... the thing smells like cars used to ... the steering wheel was so skinny ... and there were no seat belts

29 posted on 05/31/2014 5:53:28 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: Wage Slave

Used to be able to buy a 22 rifle from an ad in a comic book and it arrived in the mail


30 posted on 05/31/2014 5:54:05 PM PDT by Craftmore
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To: knarf

A few years back I got a ticket for not having a life jacket in the boat with me.


31 posted on 05/31/2014 5:55:11 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: cripplecreek
I never did for hunting, but I took a single action .22 to wood shop to make new grips. No one cared.

I am a bicentennial. Gradgitated in ‘76.

32 posted on 05/31/2014 5:55:35 PM PDT by MileHi
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To: Wage Slave

Recently I was on a back road in central Virginia and everyone got pulled over by the cops. They were checking for expired stickers or whatever. Very nasty guys. I asked the young one if he felt ok doing this to his fellow citizens and he said yes. I’m lucky they didn’t invent something to charge me with.


34 posted on 05/31/2014 5:56:22 PM PDT by Wage Slave
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To: ClearCase_guy
No right to privacy in our home or businesses or business documents (isnt that the 4th amendment?)

We now have a dozen or more different federal agencies monitoring our phone and cell usage, credit card usage, and things that would scare the $hit out of us if we knew the information the govt has on us and trust me, Ive been doing computers for 30 years.

Once a piece of information goes into a govt computer, it NEVER goes out again. They have a bottomless pit of taxpayer dollars to buy all of the backup and storage devices they need to enslave us.

Thanks NSA, DEA, FBI andon and on and on.

Oh yeah, OBAMACARE. THE number of rights we've lost due to this program are incalculable. if the Founding fathers knew that their medical information was given to the govt practically before it was to our pharmacist, they would have started a 2nd revolution before the first one was finished.

35 posted on 05/31/2014 5:56:45 PM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (An army of deer led by a lion is more to be feared than an army of lions, led by a deer.)
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To: Wage Slave

The caged bird sings
with a fearful trill
of things unknown
but longed for still
and his tune is heard
on the distant hill
for the caged bird
sings of freedom.


36 posted on 05/31/2014 5:56:52 PM PDT by Ben Mugged (The number one enemy of liberalism is reality.)
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To: Wage Slave

A) You have to buy a health insurance policy as ordered by the government
B) The electricity and other forms of energy are not permitted to be generated from the cheapest, most efficient forms of energy as mandated by the government
C) You must pay for other people’s cell phones as mandated by a tax on your cell phone as ordered by the government
D) Your freedom of religion is trumped by the civil rights of a self-identified member of a non-race and you must provide services as ordered by the judicial system
E) The refrigerant in your air conditioner must be a far less efficient chemical than it used to be based on false science as ordered by the government to keep a molecule of O3 from disappearing even though this molecule is created by the sun and could never be destroyed
F) You cannot order a size of a beverage of your choosing as it is now illegal as mandated by the government

This could go on for a while, and I have clearly stuck to the premise that the limits on freedom are imposed by the government.

In all honesty, is this a rhetorical question anyway?


37 posted on 05/31/2014 5:58:25 PM PDT by GreenAccord (Bacon Akbar)
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To: Wage Slave

A few years ago, much was made of Tom Brokaw’s book, The Greatest Generation. We also had the Saving Private Ryan mini-series. Both reminded us of the tremendous character and strengths of the people who fought and won WW2.

In time, those GIs were cashiered and resumed civilian lives.

If you want some eye-opening responses, the next time you are at some public event where asking a crowd some questions would be possible, ask something like this:

“You recall that the generation that came home from WW2 was called the Greatest Generation because they defeated totalitarian governments of the Imperial Japanese and the German Nazis. Would you like to be as free as those soldiers were when they came back to civilian life?”

When I have done this and every time I most often get the most puzzled looks. People frequently hesitate and then say no. When asked why, they often say, “because someone might do something”, by which I speculate that “something” is something they might not approve of.

For greater effect, cast this question as: would you like to be as free as the generation of soldiers who came home from the Civil War.

The hidden issue here is that the further you go back in time to draw the line, the smaller the role of government in suppressing liberty. But a lot of people are not so familiar with the history of the Welfare State and this is an end run around their reflexive defense of that intrusion in private lives and in the expansion of government.


38 posted on 05/31/2014 6:02:22 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: Wage Slave

Well I was a teenager in NYC in the 1970s and we smoked everywhere and we pretty much smoked pot everywhere.

Say it was bad, but it was more freedom than we have today, living in a nanny state that’s right on the verge of being a nanny from hell state at best.

We even had jokes and stuff.

I miss those days, I’d go back in a heartbeat.


39 posted on 05/31/2014 6:03:09 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: cripplecreek

Yeah, seat belts.

Last year I got pulled over by a Maryland state trooper. He told me I didn’t have my seatbelt on. I showed him that I did, in fact, have it buckled around my hips but that I had tucked my arm underneath the shoulder portion due to pain from a shoulder injury. He asked me if I had a note from my doctor that allowed me to tuck my arm underneath the belt.

It was all I could do not to laugh, but he was a deadly serious jackboot.


40 posted on 05/31/2014 6:03:58 PM PDT by Wage Slave
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica
The heavy fist of the FedGov now owns over 1/3 of the land surface of the United States, not "We The People." WE THE PEOPLE has become a quaint notion with no real meaning any longer.

The FedGov owns 640 acres of American land. Say that over to yourself slowly a few times. The FedGov controls one third of the land surface in the US.

Can you all even IMAGINE what ownership of the additional 500 million acres of that land would do for the US economy, what with the mineral rights, timber rights, tourist rights and on and on and on.

But that's the idea I suppose.

41 posted on 05/31/2014 6:04:57 PM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (An army of deer led by a lion is more to be feared than an army of lions, led by a deer.)
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To: Wage Slave

As for the cops, I noticed even 15 years ago that they were morphing into jack-booted thugs.
I do not know if it is from TV and movies, or what, but today it is mostly cops in swat gear yelling “get on the ground, get on the ground NOW.” There are very few “good old boys” on the beat today.


42 posted on 05/31/2014 6:09:14 PM PDT by AlexW
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Nope, none ever, anywhere


43 posted on 05/31/2014 6:14:33 PM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: Wage Slave

In the town where I grew up EVERYBODY did a U-turn at the No U-Turns sign. It was so common they even paved the road a bit wider there where everybody got a wheel off into the grass turning around.

The parking downtown on Main Street was diagonal to the curb and if you cam from the wrong direction you had to turn around to park.

We also rode on the sidewalks downtown as kids despite the signs saying we couldn’t.


44 posted on 05/31/2014 6:14:36 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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I think it's known as common sense in govt. It's non-existent cc.

How about the FedGov ordering "mini-tanks" a billion MRE'S, a billion rounds of hollow-point ammunition, close to 200k FedGov employees under arms with the power to detain, arrest or shoot to kill at their discretion.

45 posted on 05/31/2014 6:17:48 PM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (An army of deer led by a lion is more to be feared than an army of lions, led by a deer.)
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To: Wage Slave
Too many to count, but here's one that just took effect in CA this year. Of course low flow faucets, toilets, etc. have been mandated for a while, but now if you remodel a kitchen or bathroom, you must replace anything that uses water in your house and isn't low flow.

These laws are passed like this. First some do-gooder libs push for something like forcing people to use low flow appliances for supposedly altruistic reasons. Then the faucet makers lobby the lawmakers and give them campaign cash. The legislators can claim they are only looking out for the public good, while they sell their votes.

46 posted on 05/31/2014 6:22:11 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: Wage Slave

The use of our property. What are we allowed to do with our farm? Even if we got advance clearance from the EPA, they could change their mind later.


47 posted on 05/31/2014 6:23:02 PM PDT by eccentric (a.k.a. baldwidow)
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To: Wage Slave
Aside from all of these personal freedoms everyone has listed above, let me open this monstrous can of worms... What did it take to open a shop or build a manufacturing plant just 2 generations ago, and what does it take now? The list of red tape and required forms alone is immense. The regulations. The environmental delays and studies and requirements and expenses. OSHA. It goes on and on and on.

Then let's move on to zoning and HOAs, and what we can no longer do with our own homes and properties...

48 posted on 05/31/2014 6:23:32 PM PDT by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: Wage Slave

As a 6 year old, I could walk home from school


49 posted on 05/31/2014 6:23:44 PM PDT by PGR88
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Kids can't, or don't, play outside because “bad” guys might get them. They can't ride their bikes all over town from dawn to dusk or today's parents would stroke out.

Many are now carrying 24/7, even inside their homes.

No personal privacy with cameras spying on us everywhere, even in store dressing rooms and public restroom. Also, creepy unisex dressing rooms and restrooms which is upside down lib thinking considering we're so scared of perverts grabbing our kids on the walk to school or online but it's fine to have them watching when privates are exposed.

Every transaction is monitored with excess personal info (phone, address, signature, driver's license or other photo ID).

We can't call grandma without the NSA snooping in on the conversation.

We can't send a birthday card through the mail without it being photographed and sniffed for untold substances.

Thinking of sharing pics of last weekend's fish fry on a social network? Ha, Big Brother will snag those for your file.

Can't apply for a job without giving up your social network pages so the potential employer can check out your personal comments, sexy pics to your significant other and determine if your friends and friends of friends pass some sort of standards test.

Your credit worthiness is also defendant upon the credit worthiness of your friends.

Can't pass through a traffic signal without having your pic and car tag being kept in some DPS file to be used against you at some future date.

Getting stopped by cops isn't a friendly warning anymore. Today, your phone will be grabbed, breath tests are mandatory and your blood will be taken.

You're finger printed for drivers license renewals.

No sleeping peacefully at night for fear knock warrants in the middle of the night at wrong address will get you, your kids and your dog killed by out of control cops. Even if you aren't home, cops will break into your house, chase your kids’ pet down the hall until it's cornered and empty their guns into it (happened in Round Rock, TX a couple days ago).

Can't walk down the street without drones following you.

Can't peak out your curtains without military-type police vehicles patrolling with SWAT all decked out in full combat pointing weapons at your kids’ windows and ordering you to stay in place. Then if you don't answer your door to them quick enough, they'll maul and handcuff you for no other reason than they can.

Can't file a non-profit status with the IRS without being harassed.

Freedom of religion in schools and other public places is being banned and you will be sued if you don't comply.

Freedom of speech can force you to make a public apology and your business sold out from under you.

We now have the thought police.

And the food police. And for goodness sake, don't even think about packing a sack lunch from home for little Johnny and never ever let him use his first finger for anything or he'll be handcuffed and arrested for brandishing weapons at school.

Do not let little Johnny smile at little Suzy or her parents will have him suspended from school and have “sexual predator” stamped on the front page of his permanent record.

We can't be Asians or Indians or Hispanics because anyone who does “identify” themselves as black is now Caucasian.

We can't deny service to extra special groups or we'll be sued and lose our businesses. These extra special groups demand extra special “rights” while taking away those which every American had under our now defunct Constitution.

The 2nd is quickly being struck down by our own fast becoming dictatorial government.

Can't sell at farmers markets without government permission.

Farmers can't sow seeds without signing contracts with Monsanto and the government.

Your 10 year old can't go to summer camp without a full physical and medical history along with giving their SS# which, as we have all been told, was never to be used for ID. There's so many permits and regulations on everything that no one can poop or breathe without getting permission to do so.

50 posted on 05/31/2014 6:24:58 PM PDT by bgill
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