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Sheriff Wants Your Prayers; Target of Warrant Could Be Charged For Injuries to Toddler
Reason.com ^ | May 30, 2014 | Ed Krayewski

Posted on 06/02/2014 9:40:48 AM PDT by Altariel

CNN has updates on the story of the Georgia SWAT team that threw a flash bang while executing a no-knock warrant that severely burned a nineteen-month-old baby. Habersham County Sheriff Joey Terrell says the deputies involved are "devastated" and that they've been called "baby killers" and received threats. "All I can say is pray for the baby, his family and for us," the sheriff told CNN.

Terrell has insisted his officers and those of the local police department did nothing wrong and blamed the target of the warrant (not found at the house that was invaded) on the attack on the toddler. A chief assistant district attorney for the county, J. Edward Staples, says the target of the warrant could in fact be charged for the injuries the sheriff's deputies caused the toddler. In an obvious attempt to immunize himself and his office from liability, the sheriff has claimed the situation was unavoidable even as he attempted to offer reassurances that his SWAT team would be more diligent in the future. He told CNN that his officers "obviously would have done things different" (IF they knew there was a child in the home), like go in through a side door or not use a flash bang.

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I suppose the van outside with * four* child car seats wasn't clue enough?

Full Title: Sheriff in Burned Baby Raid Wants Your Prayers; Target of Warrant Could Be Charged For Injuries to Toddler

1 posted on 06/02/2014 9:40:48 AM PDT by Altariel
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To: Altariel

SWAT Nazis.


2 posted on 06/02/2014 9:43:12 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: Altariel

Nothing wrong? Since when do you fire a weapon when your not sure of your target. The one they wanted was not even there...


3 posted on 06/02/2014 9:45:06 AM PDT by Mechanicos (When did we amend the Constitution for a 2nd Federal Prohibition?)
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To: Altariel

I don’t think the Sheriff knows what the word “unavoidable” means.


4 posted on 06/02/2014 9:46:16 AM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept? Vive Deco et Vives)
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To: Altariel

I suppose charging the a-hole who actually tossed the grenade is out of the question.

The whole damned lot of them should be indicted and prosecuted, including the idiot judge who signed off on it.


5 posted on 06/02/2014 9:46:31 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Altariel

Throwing an explosive device into an occupied dwelling is an inherently dangerous act. In order to ensure that officers exercise due care, they should be strictly liable for any injury to innocents that result from their acts.


6 posted on 06/02/2014 9:46:35 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Altariel
the sheriff has claimed the situation was unavoidable even as he attempted to offer reassurances that his SWAT team would be more diligent in the future.

We couldn't have done anything differently - but from now on we'll do things differently. The keen mind of a JBT at work.

7 posted on 06/02/2014 9:46:37 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: Mechanicos

Law enforcement doesn’t do actual police work anymore. They’re trained in the “art of war” and utilize shock and awe tactics to subdue anyone they consider a threat: you, your dog, your 19 month old child, your parakeet... anyone but the actual perp.


8 posted on 06/02/2014 9:46:47 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Altariel

They’re going to charge the OCCUPANT for the injuries caused by the grenade tossed by HIS officers?

Absolutely ridiculous and outrageous!


9 posted on 06/02/2014 9:46:57 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: null and void
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10 posted on 06/02/2014 9:48:23 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: Altariel
blamed the target of the warrant (not found at the house that was invaded)

No such thing as a "stake out" any more?
They can't have officers watching the residence to verify their target is actually there?

11 posted on 06/02/2014 9:49:54 AM PDT by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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12 posted on 06/02/2014 9:51:13 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: Altariel

Yeh not that they are getting death threats and a trillion dollar lawsuit to follow they feel devastated.

This is total BS. Why didn’t they know the subject of the raid was not home? Looks like they had zero intel on this. Why not just follow the guy and pick him up at work or at the store? Better yet why not just knock on the door in broad daylight and execute the warrant like they are supposed to do?

So no drugs, no arrests, the perp not home and they just had to do a no knock raid it was so extremely urgent.

For anyone who has not had the pleasure of visiting Cornelia, GA its a little teeny tiny town up in the foothills of N GA. If you blink you miss it.


13 posted on 06/02/2014 9:51:36 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: MrB

No. They are going to charge the guy who wasn’t anywhere near the place.

Let that sink in for a minute....


14 posted on 06/02/2014 9:52:43 AM PDT by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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To: Altariel
nsisted his officers and those of the local police department did nothing wrong and blamed the target of the warrant (not found at the house that was invaded) on the attack on the toddler. A chief assistant district attorney for the county, J. Edward Staples, says the target of the warrant could in fact be charged for the injuries the sheriff's deputies caused the toddler.

Now that is real power, and it shows how crazy deadly the cops have become, and how corrupt and fascistic the system is against us now.

It sure doesn't inspire confidence that this horror resulting from a routine arrest, will result in fundamental change in anything.

15 posted on 06/02/2014 9:52:44 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: Altariel
I understand charging the participants in a crime with felony murder even if they didn't commit the actual murder.

That being said, if SWAT could charge Joe Citizen with a crime, even when Joe Citizen wasn't anywhere near that location, then we're all in trouble.

The only ones guilty of anything here is the SWAT team who didn't do proper due-dillegence before they played with their toys.

16 posted on 06/02/2014 9:57:23 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Has anyone seen my tagline? It was here yesterday. I seem to have misplaced it.)
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To: Altariel

I thought there wasn’t a need for further investigation.


17 posted on 06/02/2014 10:00:49 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Altariel

Also, we’ll make sure the one who made this YouTube video pays for the attacks at Benghazi.


18 posted on 06/02/2014 10:02:35 AM PDT by MNDude
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To: Altariel

I want to know what the warrant was for. Was the subject a violent offender on his way to prison for life? Was he on the run for murdering LEO? What history suggests SWAT was even needed? What determines the force of entry they plan to use and isn’t there any recon done to ensure the target is there?

Our Marines in Afghanistan weren’t allowed to enter residence with this much force unless they were under fire. Our combat rules of engagement are more strict than our LEO.

For these LEO to excuse this is really beyond the pale. I question how dangerous this family was considering they took in a family (relatives) whose house just burnt down. I’m not suggesting an arrest warrant wasn’t proper (though I don’t know the charges). But a swat team,... using explosives and a no-knock warrant? As another FReeper pointed out, if they were doing any surveillance, they should have known 1) the target wasn’t there and 2) there were children in the house. I SUSPECT THEY KNEW ONE OR BOTH and didn’t care.


19 posted on 06/02/2014 10:12:07 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (Tagline deleted at the request of an offended FReeper.)
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To: IYAS9YAS

I’d wager those charges get dropped. Probably just being used as leverage.


20 posted on 06/02/2014 10:12:35 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Altariel
Cops are completely out of control. The sheriff needs to resign the idiot that threw the grenade needs to go to jail.

I do not understand why these cops are such wussies. This was not freaking Pablo Escobar they are going after for crying out loud. Ever hear of a stake out morons?

21 posted on 06/02/2014 10:15:00 AM PDT by defconw (Well now what?)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
For anyone who has not had the pleasure of visiting Cornelia, GA its a little teeny tiny town up in the foothills of N GA. If you blink you miss it.

That may explain the situation. A small town that never gets to use it's swat team finally gets to do a no-knock warrant? They just can't wait to use all the toys that have been sitting around just waiting for an opportunity like this.

22 posted on 06/02/2014 10:15:30 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (Tagline deleted at the request of an offended FReeper.)
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To: Altariel

The reckless idiots claimed that they did not know that there were children in the house BUT, they threw the grenade into a play pen for crying out loud. Did the think their dealer was armed and hiding in the play pen.


23 posted on 06/02/2014 10:15:49 AM PDT by MCF (If my home can't be my Castle, then it will be my Alamo.)
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To: IYAS9YAS

“That being said, if SWAT could charge Joe Citizen with a crime, even when Joe Citizen wasn’t anywhere near that location, then we’re all in trouble.”

Let me step through this:

SWAT goes out and shoots someone ... just anyone.

(Maybe they get a warrant, maybe not. I guess they should have some ‘suspect’ in mind as the purpose of the raid. They don’t even have to know where he is; maybe it’s better if they don’t with this NEW tactic. And then shoot whomever. Get a two-fer if they shoot someone who is a problem, like standing there with a video camera.)

Now, charge the ‘suspect’ for the death. He is now ‘armed and dangerous’ and shoot on sight for any/all LEOs in the US.


24 posted on 06/02/2014 10:15:54 AM PDT by Scrambler Bob (You can count my felonies by looking at my FR replies.)
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To: IYAS9YAS

This would be one of the few instances when I wouldn’t despise the thought of being a juror.


25 posted on 06/02/2014 10:21:59 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (It ain't a "hashtag"....it's a damn pound sign. ###)
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To: Altariel

Here’s the problem w most of the SWAT raids gone bad:

The SWAT Teams are so anxious to get out and play, that they don’t bother to double check their facts just prior to execution.

1-Have we verified the address?
2-When was the last check on occupancy?
3-Do we know the subject is present?
4-What are the risks SWAT is presenting to innocents?


26 posted on 06/02/2014 10:23:58 AM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: MCF
I want to know what the warrant was for? Was this guy public enemy number one? At some point one of these roid raging morons is going to throw a flash bang into a meth cook house and blow the whole block up. Then maybe their toys will get taken away from them. Swat team for one guy disgraceful.
27 posted on 06/02/2014 10:24:42 AM PDT by defconw (Well now what?)
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To: Altariel

They deserve to be prosecuted. Tossing explosive into a non-threatening residence is absolutely a violation of civil rights and physical assault worthy of the criminal charges.


28 posted on 06/02/2014 10:25:38 AM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: Tenacious 1

Well Habersham County has had a bad rep for corruption and a badazz police dept for 30 years. This new sheriff was supposed to be a good guy. But I guess he’s gotten sucked into the Federaliztion mentality.


29 posted on 06/02/2014 10:27:55 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Altariel
A good friend of mine was court martialed in 2009 in Afghanistan because he put his hand on his pistol while it was in his holster while responding to a kid that got inside our perimeter.

My buddy was cleared and retired a few years later, but it clearly shows that Soldiers are held to a much higher standard in a war zone than cops in a residential neighborhood in the US.

People get the government they deserve.

30 posted on 06/02/2014 10:31:36 AM PDT by IDontLikeToPayTaxes
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To: Altariel

Cops are freaking irresponsible children. You, like anyone else, are and should be responsible for your own actions. That you choose to overreact while serving a warrant is on YOU. This claim by cops a mount saying if they had bombed the house, it would all be on the suspect.

This attitude about responsibility is why so many people are turning on cops. And make no mistake, ‘accidentally’ burning a 30yo suspect who offered no violence is no more appropriate than burning that child. Flashbangs have no place in police hands, if they can respect what it is, and that they are in a civilian environment.


31 posted on 06/02/2014 10:35:10 AM PDT by LevinFan
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To: Altariel
Every SWAT team in the US...EVERY ONE OF THEM must be disbanded. All of their weapons and material must be destroyed and sold for scrap. No level of civilian government can be trusted with that kind of weaponry and power.

And there are still fools out there who think police are their friends. At this point the only people supporting "law enforcement" are fools and relatives of cops.

32 posted on 06/02/2014 10:36:27 AM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: G Larry

I had read earlier that this raid was the result of information from a “confidential informant”. I want to know what he was offered in return for his info.

Did they check out any of his info? This happened in my area a few years ago. CI wants to get out of trouble. In this case the cop in charge had a grudge against the target, so he bought into it, saw an opportunity. Swat team kills the kid, his parents and brother get 3 million dollars, the cops get investigated, and are barred from having any SWAT type units.

Not saying these cops knew the target, probably not. But I want more info about why the warrant was issued apparently not on the basis of their investigation, but on the word of an informant who may have had ulterior motives.


33 posted on 06/02/2014 10:36:39 AM PDT by buckeye49
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To: buckeye49

I emailed the sheriff at jterrell@habershamga.com and I hope you will all do the same. This can’t continue to happen or we are all responsible.


34 posted on 06/02/2014 10:40:33 AM PDT by Cowgirl
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To: Nik Naym

If they are going to charge the target, they should charge the “mother” as well for putting the children in danger by living in a Meth dispensary.


35 posted on 06/02/2014 10:41:34 AM PDT by Ingtar (The NSA - "We're the only part of government who actually listens to the people.")
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To: Altariel

No sympathy for the sheriff or his officers. They should be devastated and behind bars.


36 posted on 06/02/2014 10:41:48 AM PDT by bgill
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To: buckeye49

Confidential informant gave info. Undercover cop then visited and bought meth. When they got the warrant, the perp and his guards were not home, but the “mom” was.


37 posted on 06/02/2014 10:43:24 AM PDT by Ingtar (The NSA - "We're the only part of government who actually listens to the people.")
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To: Ingtar
If they are going to charge the target,

They shouldn't.

they should charge the “mother” as well for putting the children in danger by living in a Meth dispensary.

She was visiting - and there's no evidence that any drug dealing actually took place there.

38 posted on 06/02/2014 10:44:38 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: Lurker

It was basically a non-shrapnel grenade.


39 posted on 06/02/2014 10:45:33 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (The media must be defeated any way it can be done.)
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To: Altariel

It’s telling how attitudes have changed. Check the comments on USA TODAY’s coverage or some other liberal rag, and you get JBT worshippers. On FR, we’re all fed up.

Wanna’ get truly sick/scared? Read the comments on http://www.policeone.com/

BTW - doesn’t this sheriff sound like Forrest Gump?


40 posted on 06/02/2014 10:48:05 AM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (Peace On Earth! Purity of Essence! McCain/Ripper 2016)
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To: The_Media_never_lie

I know what it was. Thanks.


41 posted on 06/02/2014 10:52:10 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Ingtar

Thank you for the information.


42 posted on 06/02/2014 10:55:56 AM PDT by buckeye49
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To: Altariel
How about next time have two deputies arrest him outside the door of the home THEN SERVE YOUR WARRANT! Stop waking people up in the middle of the night with Gestapo type raid tactics. Worse this raid was based on the word of a paid informant? Where's the police work Barney? The more militarized our law enforcement agencies including local sheriffs offices the more near deadly or deadly MISTAKES are being made on the part of LEO's. Most crimes including drug crimes do not merit a militarized raid on a home Especially When Family Innocents Are Present. If the sheriff doesn't understand this then the sheriff needs to step down and get out of law enforcement all together.

Their SWAT Team raided a home at night and tossed a grenade in the crib where a baby slept. They violated one of the first and foremost firearm usage rules of be sure of your target. BTW why did they need to use this "Tool" LEO's like to call things now to start with? I pray that our law enforcement be stripped of the authority and means to conduct such raids in the future except in cases where it is a known hostage situation which this wasn't.

Man up. Take responsibility. Disband the Ninja Militarized SWAT Teams and put patrol uniform clothes back on law enforcement officers.

43 posted on 06/02/2014 11:00:51 AM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: ansel12

Let me see if I have this correct:

CI’s never lie

Could not gain access before throwing the flash bag, but was able to gain access afterward.

Cops are never to blame for being stupid

Everyone went home safe EXCEPT the innocent baby

Yea that really really make sense.


44 posted on 06/02/2014 11:02:25 AM PDT by chiefqc
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To: ConservingFreedom

No evidence? After the informant IDed the place, they had an undercover officer make a meth buy there. Did you fail to see that part of the story? I am not surprised. If the media thought they could leave it out, they would. Instead, it is buried.


45 posted on 06/02/2014 11:10:14 AM PDT by Ingtar (The NSA - "We're the only part of government who actually listens to the people.")
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To: MrB

“They’re going to charge the OCCUPANT for the injuries caused by the grenade tossed by HIS officers?

Absolutely ridiculous and outrageous.”

Nope. They plan to charge the guy they were going after and he wasn’t even at the scene. This is “We gotta cover our asses bug time.”

This sherrif should be run out of town on a rail.


46 posted on 06/02/2014 11:12:18 AM PDT by raybbr (Obamacare needs a death panel.)
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To: Ingtar
Confidential informant gave info. Undercover cop then visited and bought meth. When they got the warrant, the perp and his guards were not home, but the “mom” was.

I have no issues with arresting him as long as it is either when reasonable people would be awake or done outside the home. Put on a Patrol, Uniform and Knock on the darn door like a professional civilized person. This business that gathering evidence is far more important than safety {thus the reason for these type of raids to start with} is what has brought us all to this point. That's why SWAT Teams like night raids. They should not be bashing down peoples doors period. Give a reasonable person time to respond in a civilized manner.

I'm hard of hearing myself. If someone bashes in my door when I'm asleep I will assume the worse and act accordingly to defend family and self. I'm a day sleeper BTW. I also have taken measures to make certain no one can do this to me without me having advanced notice of their presence.

47 posted on 06/02/2014 11:15:12 AM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: Forgotten Amendments

So many over at piss1 see no sense of accountability at all. Just talked with a guy who has family as cops. They just don’t get it. Because it isn’t them. Cops are children.


48 posted on 06/02/2014 11:16:23 AM PDT by LevinFan
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To: Cowgirl

I emailed him too


49 posted on 06/02/2014 11:23:23 AM PDT by olepap (Your old Pappy)
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To: Ingtar
After the informant IDed the place, they had an undercover officer make a meth buy there.

I stand corrected. The facts remain that mother and child were guests in the home - and that blindly tossing in an explosive device because meth had previously been sold there is grossly disproportionate.

50 posted on 06/02/2014 11:29:39 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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