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When a president goes rogue
Washington Post ^ | June 4, 2014 | George Will

Posted on 06/05/2014 8:17:21 AM PDT by Excellence

Not sure of posting rules for the Post. But this is George Will doing what George Will does best.

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: bergdahl; duplicate; search; talleybohndreamteam
Can't resist this one quote, "If the military stalls on turning over files to Congress pertaining to the five years of Bergdahl’s absence, we will at least know that there is no national institution remaining to be corrupted."
1 posted on 06/05/2014 8:17:21 AM PDT by Excellence
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To: Excellence

Never in my life have I seen or experienced such an avalanche of lousy leadership. What is stunning is that we are supposed to just stand there and keep taking it, or be called racists, Koch drunk, right wing lunatics, swiftboaters, or psychopaths all wee-wee’d up who won’t eat our peas in the back of the bus.


2 posted on 06/05/2014 8:22:05 AM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: Excellence

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3164006/posts

Already posted. Please join that discussion rather than dividing the posts.


3 posted on 06/05/2014 8:23:37 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Pollster1

I did a search but didn’t find it. Feel free to delete.


4 posted on 06/05/2014 8:25:21 AM PDT by Excellence (Marine mom since April 11, 2014)
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To: Excellence

No criticism of you intended. We all know that FR’s search feature has limited value (not that I think we should pay for a programmer who could do better).


5 posted on 06/05/2014 8:31:53 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Excellence
What Winston Churchill said of Secretary of State John Foster Dulles — that he was a bull who carried his own china shop around with him

Not to change the subject but that quote reminded me of Pope Francis I.

6 posted on 06/05/2014 8:34:56 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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To: blackdog

I think we should all be prepared for something none of us ever could have imagined. Obama has militarized every federal agency, appointed his lapdog generals/officer corp, has the press clearly in his back pocket, and no opposition from congress to hold him and the administration accountable. I don’t know in what form it will come, but my gut tells me it will start with drone strikes and escalate from there.

I would bet that these latest “scandals”, VA, Bergdahl/Taliban swap, outing the CIA station chief, and the renewed interest in Benghazi, have him just absolutely livid to the point where he may become completely unhinged as the next shoes begin to drop.

If his democrat lackeys turn on him it is only because they fear that they will lose the chance to completely transform the US into socialist European style of government which they have all bought into but were slow playing it, but none of them expected that Obama would move this agenda so swiftly.

I hope I’m wrong...


7 posted on 06/05/2014 8:46:30 AM PDT by shotgun
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To: shotgun

The Nevada BLM disaster put them on notice. They can buy all the guns-n-ammo they want. Pissin in the wind.


8 posted on 06/05/2014 8:50:26 AM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: blackdog
Obama and the Democrats are LAW-Less because Republicans "leaders" are BALL-LESS!!!

Obama had Fundamentally changed America for the WORSE!!

9 posted on 06/05/2014 8:51:56 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Ann Archy

What I find really funny is that the Obama situation model now mandates a new scandal to mask the last.


10 posted on 06/05/2014 8:56:23 AM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

That is a good one. I couldn’t agree more about Pope Francis.


11 posted on 06/05/2014 8:56:50 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: shotgun
I think we should all be prepared for something none of us ever could have imagined. Obama has militarized every federal agency, appointed his lapdog generals/officer corp, has the press clearly in his back pocket, and no opposition from congress to hold him and the administration accountable. I don’t know in what form it will come, but my gut tells me it will start with drone strikes and escalate from there.

You are not wrong.

This should not be surprising. Anyone who studied the history of Marxist leaders and movements who achieved power at the level Obama and the Democrats have - knows that without exception - they transform the government into a weapon that is used to eradicate all opposition and the targets of such a regime.

Economic punishment is followed by Food and water used as weapons, then the criminalization and arrests begin.

What did we really think the billions of rounds of hollow point ammo, the MRAPs, APCs and machine guns were for?

The signs are all there. An iron fist and a genocide is coming.

Did no one here watch or read what Grathwol had to say what the people who got Obama into power planned to do to millions of Americans?

We suffered a velvet MarxoFascist coup folks. They are playing for keeps. The Republic is GONE. You and I do not figure into their future.

Plan accordingly.

12 posted on 06/05/2014 9:00:36 AM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: shotgun
Obama has militarized every federal agency, appointed his lapdog generals/officer corp, has the press clearly in his back pocket, and no opposition from congress to hold him and the administration accountable. I don’t know in what form it will come, but my gut tells me it will start with drone strikes and escalate from there.

I posted this scenario a few weeks ago.


Obama will be term-limited out of the White House in 2016, but he has already hinted that he will "stay in Washington DC" after his presidency is over.

What he will do is "organize" his civilian force that will have been weaponized by the time he leaves office.

Obama will arise as a leader in exile with his own loyal military, and he will challenge the incoming President with the threat of real force at some point early in the next administration.

Thinking about it further, it explains all the weapons, ammo, body vests, and armor requests from the BLM, USDA, IRS, Social Security, NOAA, and other bureaucratic outfits not expected to be heavily armored.

When Obama is ready, he will make a loyalty call to anyone from these government jobs who supports him, and will mobilize a militarized insurgency within all 50 states. He doesn't need a centralized army, he will have enough force in each state that matters, enough to scare.

Most recently militarized...

NOAA and Social Security

USDA


-PJ

13 posted on 06/05/2014 9:04:01 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

“Unforced errors,” as they say in tennis.


14 posted on 06/05/2014 9:05:23 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("I'm not young enough to know everything." - Oscar Wilde)
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To: Excellence

The Army Records system has been broken since 1986 and has not been fixed according to this article:

http://www.propublica.org/article/lost-to-history-missing-war-records-complicate-benefit-claims-by-veterans

and this call by Congress to the Army:

http://www.propublica.org/article/congressmen-to-hagel-where-are-the-missing-war-records


15 posted on 06/05/2014 9:17:34 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Excellence

I’ve been saying for five years that there is not a single agency in government that has not been politicized by the WH rats.


16 posted on 06/05/2014 9:18:14 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

The USDA will be used to stamp out all the urban and suburban homesteaders who want to grow and raise their own food as well as small independent growers. ALL food production MUST be controlled and distributed by the central government — no exceptions.

Heavy regulations with penalties will come first but there will be a lot of hold-outs, thus the need for the body armor and weapons.


17 posted on 06/05/2014 9:21:52 AM PDT by ChocChipCookie ("Demons run when a good man goes to war.")
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To: Political Junkie Too

That is an interesting scenario, but one that ignores some current facts that may negate the way you illustrate it.

Since Obama is flagrantly ignoring the Constitution, making his own laws by decree, circumventing all other branches of government, and doing so WITH the help of the media and the consent of Congress and the Judiciary -

- there is very little need for Obama to step down via term limits in 2016. Who will stop him? Who will challenge this defacto dictator from declaring that “The Founders would agree that in this time of crisis that we should not have any change in leadership”?? I mean did Schumer not just say yesterday that “Jefferson would agree that the First Amendment is not absolute”??

ONE major Jihadist attack or a single major upheaval event in the USA between now and 2016 - Obama would assert that excuse to remain in power ‘for the good of the people’.

I think Obama would lose any ‘legitimate-sounding’ excuse to rule if he steps down.

That said - I do not think he is concerned with being in power as much as he is concerned about taking us down and destroying us from within.

If the MarxoFascists think that they need more time to put down Americans - I think your scenario would make sense in terms of Obama continuing to aid the Marxofascists on the side with Hillary in the White House continuing the destruction.

I believe Obama is a Trojan Horse and always has been.


18 posted on 06/05/2014 9:45:06 AM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: INVAR
there is very little need for Obama to step down via term limits in 2016. Who will stop him? Who will challenge this defacto dictator from declaring that “The Founders would agree that in this time of crisis that we should not have any change in leadership”??

Some points...

1. The United States held elections during the Civil War, both World Wars, the Vietnam war, and both Gulf wars. The arguments at the time were about letting the American people decide what the direction should be? In 2004, it was about deciding whether the people supported Bush and staying in Iraq, or Kerry and changing direction. Obama should not presume that we don't want a change in leadership, he should be asking the people if they want a change in leadership. Making an argument today that the times are too tough to change leadership stands in opposition to all of our prior history.

2. Elections for President are State affairs. The answer to the question of "who will stop him" is the states will stop him. All it will take is for someone to declare their candidacy, and for states to hold their own separate elections between candidates. Once the Electoral College produces a winner, the question will be whether Obama recognizes that winner as the new President, or if he chooses to deny by force the newly elected President from taking power. Obama will not have a ruling power over the sovereign states to prevent them from holding their own elections. There are too many "red" states to expect all the governors and legislatures to just roll over and take it.

That's why I don't expect the flash point to be the 2016 election. That would be too overt and emotional. I expect the flash point to occur after the election, when Obama has a chance to organize his militarized insurgency from the staffers of the bureaucracies that he armed. All Obama will need is for the new president to begin to overturn his legacy changes, and Obama will strike.

-PJ

19 posted on 06/05/2014 10:43:41 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

We cannot continue to operate in a state of Normalcy Bias.

We suffered a coup.

History teaches that you cannot stop tyrants or those who perpetrated a coup by civil means.

The states could adopt and pass every Amendment in Levin’s book to stop the Federal Beast - and it will mean nothing because this regime has already demonstrated that it will not abide by the Rule of Law.

It will use force to impose it’s will and destroy anyone it thinks is a threat to itself.

Such is the nature of tyrants, and the nature of coups.


20 posted on 06/05/2014 11:34:30 AM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: shotgun

I don’t think you are wrong....and we were warned.

Watch here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RS8LA-5fmrs


21 posted on 06/05/2014 11:47:06 AM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking"..J.C. Watts)
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To: INVAR
I'm not ready to go that far yet, except to say that election fraud is an attempted coup in my opinion.

That said, I don't think that the classic interpretation of a coup has happened, because we did hold elections and Obama did win.

Since winning, Obama has been increasingly usurping powers that he doesn't have, but historically that has been the case with strong president / weak Congress and vice versa, over time. Congress could stiffen up and push back in the next two years if it wanted to, so there are Constitutional means to swing the balance of power back to the equilibrium.

So I'm still sticking to the idea that the coup will happen when the Constitutionally elected president is ousted and replaced via non-Constitutional means.

-PJ

22 posted on 06/05/2014 12:13:37 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

You and I have a different understanding of what transpired in terms of the election.

Having come from Cook County and knowing how machine political corruption ensures the ruling class always retains power - I contend this went national in 2008. 2012 was a textbook example of how the Soviets did their national elections. The coup was simply solidifying it’s hold on power and in most nationally-impacted elections, you see the hand of the Machine ensuring the Ruling Class faces no serious ‘threats’ to itself.

I am of the opinion we have suffered a velvet coup, and that fact is becoming more self-evident every single day. I mean, while castigating the Conservative notion of an Amendment V meeting of the states to rein in the Federal Beast, Schumer introduces an Amendment to the Constitution to regulate the 1st Amendment, stating that “no right is absolute”.

This is the nature of how leaders of a coup act.

No stretch really when you consider most Republics in existence fell in virtually the same way we are.


23 posted on 06/05/2014 12:41:02 PM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: INVAR
I agree with you re: the nationalization of systemic voter fraud. I would put the point at 2012.

2008 was supposed to be Hillary's year, but she lost the caucuses and won the primaries, leading to the Democrat super-delegates abandoning her due to racism charges by Barack no-middle-name Obama.

I can't see that Obama had the capabilities at this time to nationalize the Chicago machine.

The 2010 mid-term wave discredits the idea that the machine was in place even then.

That leaves 2012, where Obama running the table of every swing state is the proof, furthered by dozens of precincts with zero votes for Romney. All it takes is a few extra votes in a few key precincts to swing a state, which is what happened in toto in 2012.

-PJ

24 posted on 06/05/2014 1:03:42 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

What I should have said is that 2008 was our last “honest” national election, where the manipulation and systematic corruption was not enough to completely ‘steal’ a national office.

2010 was a ‘surprise’ only because the hubris of the political caste assumed that the Praetorian media still had a stranglehold on public opinion. I think 2010 pushed the Machine into overdrive.

And when I say Cook County machine - I’m simply talking about the methodology of party and system-induced corruption, not that the Daley Machine was now running the co-opting of the national election process.

2012 is indeed the proof that we went Soviet. I saw that early on in 2010 when Obama announced that he was ‘most concerned’ about Romney being a challenger in 2012. The Soviets used to do similar things by picking the weak patsy ‘choice’ for the people while the Party actually ensured their man ‘won’.

Picking the opposition’s candidate is the surest means to make the manipulation easier.


25 posted on 06/05/2014 2:12:21 PM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: INVAR
I agree. And I was using the Chicago Machine as a metaphor for strong-arm politics.

Good discussion resulting from a wild insurgency take-over hypothetical "what-if" scenario.

-PJ

26 posted on 06/05/2014 2:23:03 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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