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Propane Tank Inspection Intervals: Re NFPA 58
Self | 6/5/2014 | Self

Posted on 06/05/2014 3:50:06 PM PDT by Little Bill

I am going to get in to a pissing match over a $145 charge to maintain my 500 gallon propane tank.

The NFPA requires tanks be inspected periodically and marked, how should the inspection stamp be applied and dated, should the tank have hazmat stickers.

They have not inspected this tank in the twelve years I have lived here and as near as I can determine since the tank was installed,


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: nfpa
Damn, I used to have all of this ASME and NFPA stuff next to my desk.
1 posted on 06/05/2014 3:50:06 PM PDT by Little Bill
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To: Little Bill

It may depend on whether you own or lease the tank.

If you own it, it would seem that you are responsible.


2 posted on 06/05/2014 3:54:32 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Little Bill

We painted ours to look like a Holstein Cow.


3 posted on 06/05/2014 3:55:10 PM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: Little Bill

Sounds like a way to extract funds! What state is this LB?


4 posted on 06/05/2014 3:56:00 PM PDT by DocJhn
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To: Little Bill

I’ve seen some really neat casualties from failed pressure vessels. Fortunately not on my watch.


5 posted on 06/05/2014 3:56:04 PM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: Little Bill

http://phmsa.dot.gov/pv_obj_cache/pv_obj_id_0AC374C72CE4B82CD55A384509C1A22E6EDA1000/filename/requal_propane_cylinders.pdf


6 posted on 06/05/2014 3:56:09 PM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: Little Bill

Change companies have the new company bring a new tank.

or tell the old company that your going to switch I’ll bet they drop the charge.

I know I would not but up with it.


7 posted on 06/05/2014 3:57:39 PM PDT by riverrunner
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To: Little Bill
I can't think of a better civil organization than the NFPA to illustrate why private interest and enterprise ALWAYS beat government regulation.

Hmmm, a write up on the history of the NFPA would make a good FR post.

8 posted on 06/05/2014 3:58:37 PM PDT by Jacquerie (To restore the 10th Amendment, repeal the 17th. Article V.)
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To: Little Bill
I wouldn't mess with it, trying to avoid having it inspected. Bad tanks like to go


9 posted on 06/05/2014 3:59:37 PM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: Little Bill

#2 is right.

If you own it, the fuel seller may be unsure of its condition and take it upon themselves to inspect it and charge you.

If it’s leased, the terms usually cover inspection.

Some of these kind of things happen when new fed/state/local regs go into effect, or some new seller safety manager takes over.

Ask your local fire department or fire marshal.


10 posted on 06/05/2014 4:01:52 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Little Bill

11 posted on 06/05/2014 4:02:26 PM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: blackdog

I love tank art.

Here’s a link to photos of a bunch of nice ones:

http://www.ohiobarns.com/othersites/arttanks/artistictanks.html


12 posted on 06/05/2014 4:08:02 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: DocJhn

NH, kind of having a mind meld. Still need to build a case,


13 posted on 06/05/2014 4:14:25 PM PDT by Little Bill (EVICT Queen Jean)
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To: jjotto

My daughter wants to paint ours...because tank art is awesome.

But I looked it up, and you’re not supposed to. Just supposed to use a bright color like white or yellow. It helps you see rust better. Some fillers will not even fill a painted tank :(


14 posted on 06/05/2014 4:16:29 PM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: Little Bill

http://phmsa.dot.gov/pv_obj_cache/pv_obj_id_0AC374C72CE4B82CD55A384509C1A22E6EDA1000/filename/requal_propane_cylinders.pdf


15 posted on 06/05/2014 4:23:31 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: lacrew

Yep. It varies with locale and supplier.

Some people spend a lot of money on decals to make the art.


16 posted on 06/05/2014 4:26:47 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: jjotto

It seems that this is from your LP provider as the State requires them to assess and make sure their customers have a safe delivery system. Being in this business for 35 years I never knew of an annual inspection but that was a different State and I was just an installer and not a provider. On the pdf I thought I saw private tanks every 3 years for NH.

http://www.puc.state.nh.us/safety/NH%20OME%20PLAN.pdf


17 posted on 06/05/2014 5:06:39 PM PDT by DocJhn
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To: Jacquerie

The NFPA is bought and paid for by the manufacturers and special interests.

When Masterguard heat detectors got themselves approved as a life safety device, they lost my last bit of respect.

If you give the NFPA money, they will approve anything, irrespective of what it cost others.


18 posted on 06/05/2014 5:21:34 PM PDT by Clay Moore (I Like My Guns Like Obama Likes His Voters: Undocumented)
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To: Clay Moore

What is the solution to the corruption you describe?


19 posted on 06/05/2014 5:24:41 PM PDT by Jacquerie (To restore the 10th Amendment, repeal the 17th. Article V.)
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To: mountn man

this has me laughing so hard...love the humor.


20 posted on 06/05/2014 5:35:12 PM PDT by Engedi
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To: Jacquerie

“What is the solution to the corruption you describe?”

How about just letting the science determine what works and what does not. Forget who pays the most.


21 posted on 06/05/2014 5:50:07 PM PDT by Clay Moore (I Like My Guns Like Obama Likes His Voters: Undocumented)
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To: riverrunner

Doesnt Ferrelgas offer a tank replacement program? Blue rhino, if I can remember anything these days.


22 posted on 06/05/2014 5:59:03 PM PDT by RossA
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To: mountn man

Have been on propane from one company of another for 40 years and not one tank has ever had a single inspection or sticker from NFPA. Never heard of any propane tanks exploding, even some in a fire.


23 posted on 06/05/2014 5:59:23 PM PDT by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: X-spurt
Come to think of it, I’ve seen only one tank explode, only know of one tank explosion relate to an in transit accident, and I've seen someone shoot 7.62 into a 35 lb to show how big an explosion it would make (didn't buy still not recommended). Could honestly be that because most tanks are checked for rust and pressure relief valves, you don't get explosions. (like water heaters, never saw an explosion, but my granddad saw two, and my dad saw a couple, responding as a cop. Some safety rules do work).

I've seen propane and propane related explosions. Two fatals, that come to mind and one hilarious grill event. Also saw a massive evacuation due to a propane fill station fire, with tanks launching into the air. I got some respect for propane am natural gas, an if I was responsible for a tank, I'd be cautious.

24 posted on 06/05/2014 6:50:17 PM PDT by NYFriend
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To: X-spurt

In the big San Diego fires a few years ago, I talked to a kid helping us try to save a house, and he said that in his neighborhood the cars and propane tanks were blowing up when the fire took out his community, a day or two before.


25 posted on 06/05/2014 11:26:45 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: ansel12

An “exploding” 250 gallon propane tank would clear a city block.

Betcha the “kid” saw the cars and tank burn, maybe mightily, but explode, probably not. Gas tank in cars should not be able to contain the pressure up to a point of actual explosion. The “exploding car gas tanks we see on TV and in the movies is set off by C4 or dynamite to make a spectacular fireball.

Propane tanks have a safety pressure relief valve that would release to the atmosphere if it was engulfed in fire and make a heck of a flame jetting from the tank.

I’d have to see photos of ripped open propane tanks, not just burned tanks as is usual.


26 posted on 06/06/2014 6:41:05 AM PDT by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: X-spurt
Clear a city block?

Are you familiar with the 2003 Cedar Fire in San Diego?

It was the largest in California history, wiping out entire communities, including that young man's. He and his father had stayed past the evacuation, and his stories were extraordinary, his courage was great as well, I had come from the beach looking for adventure, and had talked the (fleeing) homeowner into fighting for his house and this lad knew his daughter and volunteered to stay with us, although he was still caught up in the emotion of his own near misses in his totally wiped out community, a few miles away.

The fire destroyed almost 3,000 buildings, including 2,232 homes and covered almost 300,000 acres.

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27 posted on 06/06/2014 10:06:39 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: ansel12

Yep hellofa fire. Jam em up in brush country is not unlike how tornados really like trailer parks.

Now I’m still waiting on something beyond anecdotal description of a widespread fire on the exploding propane tanks story.


28 posted on 06/06/2014 10:13:24 AM PDT by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: X-spurt

I didn’t realize that we were having such a legalistic argument, but tanks can and do explode when the situation overwhelms their ability to bleed off.

I have no reason to disbelieve the young man.


29 posted on 06/06/2014 10:21:41 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: ansel12

And here I thought it was more a technical discussion around explosion as opposed to a vigorous fire and some verifiable evidence of exploding propane tanks.

I am sure your young friend was quite astounded by the experience.


30 posted on 06/06/2014 10:36:37 AM PDT by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: X-spurt

The only technical point introduced is me pointing out that the safety relief can be overwhelmed.

How did you get so angry so quickly?

Perhaps you should show that it is impossible for them to explode, since that is your claim.


31 posted on 06/06/2014 10:43:29 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: ansel12
"Propane tanks behind Gingham restaurant exploded"
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Here is video of an exploding propane tank.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8TIWB9w07I

Here is a photo of an exploded propane tank on the site of the Wren Fire Depatment (scroll down).
http://www.wrenfiredepartment.4t.com/photo.html
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Another exploded tank.
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32 posted on 06/06/2014 3:46:10 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: X-spurt

Small tanks for BBQs are more dangerous than larger permanent tanks:

http://www.propane101.com/explodingpropanetanks.htm


33 posted on 06/06/2014 4:03:18 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: ansel12

How did you get so angry so quickly?

Angry? I must be on Feelings Republic.


34 posted on 06/06/2014 4:42:32 PM PDT by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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