Skip to comments.Texas GOP advances ‘reparative therapy’ for gays
Posted on 06/06/2014 2:49:58 AM PDT by Olog-hai
The Texas Republican Party would endorse psychological treatment that seeks to turn gay people straight under a new platform partly aimed at rebuking laws in California and New Jersey that ban so-called reparative therapy on minors.
A push to include the new anti-gay language survived a key vote late Thursday in Fort Worth at the Texas Republican Convention where, across the street, tea party star U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz fired up attendees at a rally to defend marriage as between a man and a woman.
Under the new proposed plank, the Texas GOP will recognize the legitimacy and efficacy of counseling, which offers reparative therapy and treatment for those patients seeking healing and wholeness from their homosexual lifestyle.
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Why shouldn’t people who want this be able to seek it out? No one is forced to. It is a matter of individual liberty, not that tje liberals care about that.
So California allows medical professionals to slice off a person’s breasts or penis and pump them full of hormones....but won’t allow someone to talk about trying to remain straight?
Sorry for the language, but what a ****ed up world we live in.
Sex change operations- science is never certain.
Would you want your daughter to marry a man “made” straight by this therapy?
You’re begging the question as to your thoughts concerning homosexuality in the first place.
And you just answered my question.
If your daughter was a lesbian would you want therapy that could possibly help her become straight to be made illegal by politicians?
I don’t think so. Your question was highly rhetorical from my observation, and you evaded answering mine.
You didn’t ask a question.
I asked you your thoughts concerning homosexuality, in the context of this thread. The behavior can be eliminated, or can it not?
I cannot answer your initial question since I do not have a daughter. But what of former male homosexuals and former lesbians pairing up?
No, I would not want that therapy to be illegal. And I would not want my son to marry a woman who had to have the therapy to be straight.
That last one is just a big basket of future trouble.
Why not? You do not believe such therapy has a chance of working?
No, not in the long term. Do you think there is any therapy that could make you gay?
The problem is they claim they’re “born that way.” There’s zero scientific evidence of such a thing, but they claim it.
The other problem is there’s thousands of former homosexuals. There should be zero former homosexuals if homosexuality was as immutable as being black, for instance. That’s why they get slobbering angry anytime a former homosexual tries to tell their story. That proves their delusional claims are the lies they are.
So you believe that homosexuality is innate?
Yes. Do you believe heterosexuality is innate?
Have a nice day.
Watch, the fagicists will portray this as “forcing” unwilling participants into torturous sessions.
No problem here. Many people overcome psychological issues through counseling.
“Would you want your daughter to marry a man made straight by this therapy?”
Would you want your son taking it up the back side?
A bit judgmental, no? This reminds me of the deaf and blind people who fight cures.
Seems FR is flooded with homosexualists these days.
For the record...As a man...
I am without any doubt, under no duress or compensation...
That I am a devout, dyed in the wool, extremely militaristic, grassroots activist, FLAMING lesbian!!!
Whew, I feel so much better talking that one out...I feel a load has been lifted off my shoulders...
And I will do whatever I can to shove my personal beliefs (...in your face!”) upon those that disagree with me!!!
Be careful, I thought some homosexual tendencies have very low thresholds to partake in sado-masochistic activities...
They may actually like the torture from those counseling sessions...
Funny how the AP only wants to report on this particular issue...
Personally I would question why my Texas GOP is once again addressing an issue by proposing spending money on this...Even though it only appears to be a “platform” issue...Not anything that will be passed as a law in this state next year...
I believe Texas has a few more important things to worry about than this particular social blight...
But hey, what do I know...Probably not a pile of squat.../sarc
Unfortunately the "therapy" in question happens to be quackery.
Half-right. In the vast majority of cases, homosexuality is an early unconscious response to emotional damage and/or sexual abuse. The choice comes when, upon recognizing the compulsion, a person decides to combat it or embrace it, but dismissing it entirely as a choice is simplistic, callous and unproductive.
Yeah, it was quacking way before this hit the floor for debate...
What does the mayor of NYC’s wife think?
If you are “questioning” your sexuality, you are encouraged to “explore” same sex encounters.
However if that questioning is whether you might be happier in a heterosexual relationship, THAT is verbotten.
Apparently molestation and emotional trauma can be contributing factors, so yeah.
This very plank in the Texas GOP Platform needs to be placed in the RNC’s Platform at the 2016 Convention.
Call me simplistic, callous, and unproductive all day long, God's definition, not mine, not yours, is what is important.
What makes you think that the Biblical view is contradictory to a rational understanding of their condition? You've created a straw argument there. God condemns as sin the activity of homosexuality, not the fact that one is so tempted. He doesn't indicate what may trigger the desire.
Hurling scripture at homosexuals with no desire to understand them as people with different struggles than yours will certainly succeed in driving them away from a consideration of the gospel and their need for repentance and grace. Sure, it's easier to stand on your side of the line, condemn and cheerlead, but that lack of engagement is precisely why the so-called gay rights movement has made such progress in our culture over the last few decades.
If I speak with the tongues of men and angels...
My primary point is that when you simply say “Homosexuality is a choice,” you may well be just referring to the behavior, but the homosexual hears you telling him that he has consciously chosen to feel that way, which is almost never the case. Consequently, he is unlikely to want to listen to you share the gospel with him, which he so desperately needs to hear.
So while I’d be right there with you denying that they were “born that way,” I regard it as the unbiblical form of judgment to tell them that they have consciously chosen the inner confusion and torment that is homosexuality. They may choose to sin as their means of responding to it, but we don’t make a remedy attractive when we first tell someone that their symptoms are imaginary.
The word “Lesbian” has been so abused that the people of the island of Lesbos (where the infamous poet Sappho was from, and where the word was derived) have taken to calling themselves “Lesvonians”.
Interesting choice of words, “unacceptability” and “quackery”, especially the first one.
Jesus wasn’t trying to win over the recalcitrant scribes and Pharisees either. Rebels are rebels.
Many homosexuals are unhappy about same-sex attraction and many escape the bondage to deliverance with or without therapy. Probably more would benefit from therapy. But the left opposes this because the more gay people suffering from depression because of their s/s attractions and hating the world, the more fellow leftists are created and this enables their leftist tyrannical agenda. This is why they push s/s marriage and then become jack-booted thugs forcing any who disagree to suffer grave consequences. See Mozilla and the Colorado baker.
So we shouldn't try to have any dialogue with sinners and convince them of their need to repent until they've repented. Got it.
My wife made me watch Will and Grace. I got straighter.
We seem to be circling toward a mutual understanding. Yes, we’re to preach (although I prefer conversations to monologues), but we should preach the gospel, preach scripture, and resist the temptation to embellish it with our own opinions, which is what the notion of homosexuality (the inner compulsion, not the outer behavior) being a conscious choice is. It’s an opinion. There’s decades worth of research tying environmental (or traumatic) factors to homosexual inclinations; and there’s not a single scripture that either affirms or contradicts that conclusion.
It’s simply a false choice to say that the homosexual compulsion has to either be inborn or else a conscious choice. There’s nothing God-denying in claiming the third, best evidenced alternative, that the compulsion is something deeply rooted that comes about based on things someone experiences very early in life. Temptation can lead to sin, but temptation itself is not the sin, and I don’t have God’s eyes to peer into someone’s heart and tell them that they chose to be tempted.
As I said before, when a person recognizes that compulsion, THEN they have to make a choice as to what to do about it; either choosing to sin by embracing and affirming the compulsion, or choosing to combat it. There’s simply no need for Christians to adopt a posture that needlessly puts up a wall between us and someone we’d like to bring to Christ by starting off by our telling them that they chose to feel that way in the first place. For one thing, that mis-prioritizes the situation, giving the path behind more significance than the path ahead. And making such pronouncements publicly will almost certainly prevent such a Christian from being approached by anyone who might be looking for some Christian compassion as the first step toward making a change. Sadly, it might dissuade them from approaching ANY Christian.
You too huh???
I got my revenge on that by making her watch FoxNews...And the Military channel...
Every time she complained or got up to go do something...I would shush her, and hit the record button so she would not miss a riveting minute!!!
Needless to say, I had to have my lawyers number on speed dial...;-)
Sounds Greek to me...;-)
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