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Texas GOP advances ‘reparative therapy’ for gays
Associated Press ^ | Jun 6, 2014 2:51 AM EDT | Paul J. Weber and Will Weissert

Posted on 06/06/2014 2:49:58 AM PDT by Olog-hai

The Texas Republican Party would endorse psychological treatment that seeks to turn gay people straight under a new platform partly aimed at rebuking laws in California and New Jersey that ban so-called “reparative therapy” on minors.

A push to include the new anti-gay language survived a key vote late Thursday in Fort Worth at the Texas Republican Convention where, across the street, tea party star U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz fired up attendees at a rally to defend marriage as between a man and a woman.

Under the new proposed plank, the Texas GOP will “recognize the legitimacy and efficacy of counseling, which offers reparative therapy and treatment for those patients seeking healing and wholeness from their homosexual lifestyle.” …

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1 posted on 06/06/2014 2:49:58 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Why shouldn’t people who want this be able to seek it out? No one is forced to. It is a matter of individual liberty, not that tje liberals care about that.


2 posted on 06/06/2014 3:27:31 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Olog-hai

So California allows medical professionals to slice off a person’s breasts or penis and pump them full of hormones....but won’t allow someone to talk about trying to remain straight?

Sorry for the language, but what a ****ed up world we live in.


3 posted on 06/06/2014 3:29:41 AM PDT by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: icwhatudo
Global Warming- Settled science

Sex change operations- science is never certain.

4 posted on 06/06/2014 4:03:14 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Ob)
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To: Olog-hai

Would you want your daughter to marry a man “made” straight by this therapy?


5 posted on 06/06/2014 4:33:31 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Wolfie

You’re begging the question as to your thoughts concerning homosexuality in the first place.


6 posted on 06/06/2014 4:42:03 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

And you just answered my question.


7 posted on 06/06/2014 4:46:47 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Wolfie
Would you want your daughter to marry a man “made” straight by this therapy?

If your daughter was a lesbian would you want therapy that could possibly help her become straight to be made illegal by politicians?

8 posted on 06/06/2014 4:50:15 AM PDT by MulberryDraw (Repeal it.)
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To: Wolfie

I don’t think so. Your question was highly rhetorical from my observation, and you evaded answering mine.


9 posted on 06/06/2014 4:51:38 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

You didn’t ask a question.


10 posted on 06/06/2014 4:54:10 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Wolfie

I asked you your thoughts concerning homosexuality, in the context of this thread. The behavior can be eliminated, or can it not?

I cannot answer your initial question since I do not have a daughter. But what of former male homosexuals and former lesbians pairing up?


11 posted on 06/06/2014 4:57:17 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: MulberryDraw

No, I would not want that therapy to be illegal. And I would not want my son to marry a woman who had to have the therapy to be straight.


12 posted on 06/06/2014 4:57:23 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Olog-hai

That last one is just a big basket of future trouble.


13 posted on 06/06/2014 4:58:54 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Wolfie

Why not? You do not believe such therapy has a chance of working?


14 posted on 06/06/2014 4:59:03 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

No, not in the long term. Do you think there is any therapy that could make you gay?


15 posted on 06/06/2014 5:03:37 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Olog-hai

The problem is they claim they’re “born that way.” There’s zero scientific evidence of such a thing, but they claim it.

The other problem is there’s thousands of former homosexuals. There should be zero former homosexuals if homosexuality was as immutable as being black, for instance. That’s why they get slobbering angry anytime a former homosexual tries to tell their story. That proves their delusional claims are the lies they are.


16 posted on 06/06/2014 5:04:18 AM PDT by afsnco
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To: Wolfie

So you believe that homosexuality is innate?


17 posted on 06/06/2014 5:04:20 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Yes. Do you believe heterosexuality is innate?


18 posted on 06/06/2014 5:06:20 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Wolfie

Have a nice day.


19 posted on 06/06/2014 5:09:41 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

“Scared straight?”


20 posted on 06/06/2014 5:46:14 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Olog-hai

Watch, the fagicists will portray this as “forcing” unwilling participants into torturous sessions.


21 posted on 06/06/2014 6:16:57 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Wolfie

No problem here. Many people overcome psychological issues through counseling.


22 posted on 06/06/2014 6:55:56 AM PDT by MikeyB806
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To: Wolfie

“Would you want your daughter to marry a man “made” straight by this therapy?”

Would you want your son taking it up the back side?


23 posted on 06/06/2014 6:56:59 AM PDT by MikeyB806
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To: Olog-hai
A push to include the new anti-gay language

A bit judgmental, no? This reminds me of the deaf and blind people who fight cures.

24 posted on 06/06/2014 7:44:22 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: fwdude

Seems FR is flooded with homosexualists these days.


25 posted on 06/06/2014 8:06:25 AM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: All

For the record...As a man...

I am without any doubt, under no duress or compensation...

That I am a devout, dyed in the wool, extremely militaristic, grassroots activist, FLAMING lesbian!!!

Whew, I feel so much better talking that one out...I feel a load has been lifted off my shoulders...

And I will do whatever I can to shove my personal beliefs (...in your face!”) upon those that disagree with me!!!


26 posted on 06/06/2014 8:13:33 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: fwdude

Be careful, I thought some homosexual tendencies have very low thresholds to partake in sado-masochistic activities...

They may actually like the torture from those counseling sessions...

Funny how the AP only wants to report on this particular issue...

Personally I would question why my Texas GOP is once again addressing an issue by proposing spending money on this...Even though it only appears to be a “platform” issue...Not anything that will be passed as a law in this state next year...

I believe Texas has a few more important things to worry about than this particular social blight...

But hey, what do I know...Probably not a pile of squat.../sarc


27 posted on 06/06/2014 8:20:48 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: stevie_d_64
There is another issue here besides the unacceptability of same sex attraction.

Unfortunately the "therapy" in question happens to be quackery.

28 posted on 06/06/2014 8:54:34 AM PDT by Salman
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To: Wolfie; Olog-hai; Jim Robinson
Yes. Do you believe heterosexuality is innate?

Wrong.

You are not born a Homosexual, you become homosexual by your choices.

Specifically, when you refuse to Honor God as God in your life and choose over and over to please your self over obeying God, then God gives you over to that psychological, spiritual disease and mental disorder.

See Romans 1:

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
29 posted on 06/06/2014 9:19:58 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie
You are not born a Homosexual, you become homosexual by your choices.

Half-right. In the vast majority of cases, homosexuality is an early unconscious response to emotional damage and/or sexual abuse. The choice comes when, upon recognizing the compulsion, a person decides to combat it or embrace it, but dismissing it entirely as a choice is simplistic, callous and unproductive.

30 posted on 06/06/2014 9:25:26 AM PDT by william clark (Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: Salman

Yeah, it was quacking way before this hit the floor for debate...

;-)


31 posted on 06/06/2014 9:29:13 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: Mike Darancette; Olog-hai
A bit judgmental, no? This reminds me of the deaf and blind people who fight cures.

Wow, then I guess that the Apostle Paul, and Jesus and God by extension, were being hyper-judgmental when Paul stated the following, right?:

1 Cor. 6:9-11:

9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
32 posted on 06/06/2014 9:44:05 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: william clark
Half-right. In the vast majority of cases, homosexuality is an early unconscious response to emotional damage and/or sexual abuse. The choice comes when, upon recognizing the compulsion, a person decides to combat it or embrace it, but dismissing it entirely as a choice is simplistic, callous and unproductive.

Sorry, but I'll take the biblical explanation over anything else every day of the week.

Call me simplistic, callous, and unproductive all day long, God's definition, not mine, not yours, is what is important.
33 posted on 06/06/2014 9:46:24 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: Olog-hai

What does the mayor of NYC’s wife think?


34 posted on 06/06/2014 10:06:38 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The new witchhunt: "Do you NOW, . . . or have you EVER , . . supported traditional marriage?")
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To: icwhatudo

If you are “questioning” your sexuality, you are encouraged to “explore” same sex encounters.

However if that questioning is whether you might be happier in a heterosexual relationship, THAT is verbotten.


35 posted on 06/06/2014 10:08:15 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The new witchhunt: "Do you NOW, . . . or have you EVER , . . supported traditional marriage?")
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To: Wolfie
Do you think there is any therapy that could make you gay?

Apparently molestation and emotional trauma can be contributing factors, so yeah.

36 posted on 06/06/2014 10:10:35 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The new witchhunt: "Do you NOW, . . . or have you EVER , . . supported traditional marriage?")
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To: Olog-hai

This very plank in the Texas GOP Platform needs to be placed in the RNC’s Platform at the 2016 Convention.


37 posted on 06/06/2014 10:20:25 AM PDT by Oliviaforever
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To: SoConPubbie
Sorry, but I'll take the biblical explanation over anything else every day of the week.

Call me simplistic, callous, and unproductive all day long, God's definition, not mine, not yours, is what is important.

What makes you think that the Biblical view is contradictory to a rational understanding of their condition? You've created a straw argument there. God condemns as sin the activity of homosexuality, not the fact that one is so tempted. He doesn't indicate what may trigger the desire.

Hurling scripture at homosexuals with no desire to understand them as people with different struggles than yours will certainly succeed in driving them away from a consideration of the gospel and their need for repentance and grace. Sure, it's easier to stand on your side of the line, condemn and cheerlead, but that lack of engagement is precisely why the so-called gay rights movement has made such progress in our culture over the last few decades.

If I speak with the tongues of men and angels...

38 posted on 06/06/2014 10:54:21 AM PDT by william clark (Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: william clark
What makes you think that the Biblical view is contradictory to a rational understanding of their condition? You've created a straw argument there. God condemns as sin the activity of homosexuality, not the fact that one is so tempted. He doesn't indicate what may trigger the desire.

Temptation comes from outside the heart. The Desire to sin is what Jesus came to conquer, not just the physical act.

Christ was tempted to sin, but he never desired the sin in any occasion.

For example:

Matthew 5:28:

But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

So simply lusting after someone in your heart is committed the sin physically. This is what Christ came to save us from.

And you are correct, I have no desire to understand a homosexual. I understand their sin and I know the solution, Salvation through the sacrifice that Jesus Christ made for our sins.

Jesus, at no time, spent time trying to "understand" why people were sinning, he acknowledged their sin, he rebuked their sin, and then he pointed them to the solution to their sin, the Gospel.
39 posted on 06/06/2014 11:03:12 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie

My primary point is that when you simply say “Homosexuality is a choice,” you may well be just referring to the behavior, but the homosexual hears you telling him that he has consciously chosen to feel that way, which is almost never the case. Consequently, he is unlikely to want to listen to you share the gospel with him, which he so desperately needs to hear.

So while I’d be right there with you denying that they were “born that way,” I regard it as the unbiblical form of judgment to tell them that they have consciously chosen the inner confusion and torment that is homosexuality. They may choose to sin as their means of responding to it, but we don’t make a remedy attractive when we first tell someone that their symptoms are imaginary.


40 posted on 06/06/2014 11:22:21 AM PDT by william clark (Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: stevie_d_64

The word “Lesbian” has been so abused that the people of the island of Lesbos (where the infamous poet Sappho was from, and where the word was derived) have taken to calling themselves “Lesvonians”.


41 posted on 06/06/2014 12:33:04 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Salman

Interesting choice of words, “unacceptability” and “quackery”, especially the first one.


42 posted on 06/06/2014 12:34:43 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: william clark

Jesus wasn’t trying to win over the recalcitrant scribes and Pharisees either. Rebels are rebels.


43 posted on 06/06/2014 12:36:26 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Many homosexuals are unhappy about same-sex attraction and many escape the bondage to deliverance with or without therapy. Probably more would benefit from therapy. But the left opposes this because the more gay people suffering from depression because of their s/s attractions and hating the world, the more fellow leftists are created and this enables their leftist tyrannical agenda. This is why they push s/s marriage and then become jack-booted thugs forcing any who disagree to suffer grave consequences. See Mozilla and the Colorado baker.


44 posted on 06/06/2014 12:37:21 PM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: Olog-hai
Jesus wasn’t trying to win over the recalcitrant scribes and Pharisees either. Rebels are rebels.

So we shouldn't try to have any dialogue with sinners and convince them of their need to repent until they've repented. Got it.

45 posted on 06/06/2014 1:00:45 PM PDT by william clark (Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: william clark
No, that’s not it either. Always preach—but people ultimately have to decide for themselves (the case in a message of repentance), since this is not a question of innate tendencies.
46 posted on 06/06/2014 1:21:40 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Wolfie

My wife made me watch Will and Grace. I got straighter.


47 posted on 06/06/2014 1:24:20 PM PDT by martiangohome
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To: Olog-hai

We seem to be circling toward a mutual understanding. Yes, we’re to preach (although I prefer conversations to monologues), but we should preach the gospel, preach scripture, and resist the temptation to embellish it with our own opinions, which is what the notion of homosexuality (the inner compulsion, not the outer behavior) being a conscious choice is. It’s an opinion. There’s decades worth of research tying environmental (or traumatic) factors to homosexual inclinations; and there’s not a single scripture that either affirms or contradicts that conclusion.

It’s simply a false choice to say that the homosexual compulsion has to either be inborn or else a conscious choice. There’s nothing God-denying in claiming the third, best evidenced alternative, that the compulsion is something deeply rooted that comes about based on things someone experiences very early in life. Temptation can lead to sin, but temptation itself is not the sin, and I don’t have God’s eyes to peer into someone’s heart and tell them that they chose to be tempted.

As I said before, when a person recognizes that compulsion, THEN they have to make a choice as to what to do about it; either choosing to sin by embracing and affirming the compulsion, or choosing to combat it. There’s simply no need for Christians to adopt a posture that needlessly puts up a wall between us and someone we’d like to bring to Christ by starting off by our telling them that they chose to feel that way in the first place. For one thing, that mis-prioritizes the situation, giving the path behind more significance than the path ahead. And making such pronouncements publicly will almost certainly prevent such a Christian from being approached by anyone who might be looking for some Christian compassion as the first step toward making a change. Sadly, it might dissuade them from approaching ANY Christian.


48 posted on 06/06/2014 2:01:42 PM PDT by william clark (Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: martiangohome

You too huh???

I got my revenge on that by making her watch FoxNews...And the Military channel...

Every time she complained or got up to go do something...I would shush her, and hit the record button so she would not miss a riveting minute!!!

Needless to say, I had to have my lawyers number on speed dial...;-)


49 posted on 06/06/2014 3:37:23 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: Olog-hai

Sounds Greek to me...;-)


50 posted on 06/06/2014 3:39:34 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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