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Weekly Garden Thread Volume 23 June 6, 2014
Free Republic | June 6, 2014 | greeneyes

Posted on 06/06/2014 12:39:39 PM PDT by greeneyes

The Weekly Gardening Thread is a weekly gathering of folks that love soil, seeds and plants of all kinds. From complete newbies that are looking to start that first potted plant, to gardeners with some acreage, to Master Gardener level and beyond, we would love to hear from you. This thread is non-political, although you will find that most here are conservative folks.

No matter what, you won’t be flamed and the only dumb question is the one that isn’t asked. It is impossible to hijack the Weekly Gardening Thread. There is no telling where it will go and... that is part of the fun and interest. Jump in and join us!

NOTE: This is a once a week ping list. We do post to the thread during the week. Links to related articles and discussions which might be of interest are welcomed, so feel free to post them at any time.


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Greeting from Missouri. We have a nice 75 degree cloudy day here. It was 60 degree weather yesterday. We have had several mini showerers during the week - not much accumulation.

Peas are surviving in the pots of potting mix. This is the longest they have survived. Squirrels turned over a couple of pots, so I had to put them back - those may not revive.

Corn is at least knee high. New seedlings were only 50% germination which is better than the zero I got last time, so a combo of less than vital seeds and jiffy mix I guess.

Peanuts in a combo of jiffy mix and potting mix all germinatied 100%.

I have been processing Strawberries this week. Made some syrup/juice, jam, and will be dehydrating some fruit leather tonight. I love to eat fresh strawberries for breakfast and snacks during the day, so my taster is happy happy happy.

I have a sourdough starter going. Will be making some biscuits for supper tonight. About 1/4 of the flour is from wheat that I grew and processed in an extra coffee grinder.

Gardening chores have taken a back seat this week, due to my feankiplumlego. This involves the feet, ankles, hips, lumbar spine, and legs primarily on the right side.

Was not able to put any weight on the right foot at all. Last time it struck, it took a couple of months to get back to where I could walk well with a cane. Hoping it's a light spell this time. Seems to be. Am able to walk with the cane and about 50% weight on the carpeted areas, so progress has been better so far.

I got the rubber mats back down in the kitchen (spring cleaning went too slow) and dug out some slip on tennis shoes and added 3 way arch supports, and staying off my feet as much as possible.

I was planning on starting a weight lifting program to strengthen my body, but that's on hold, and the walking program has been discontinued for a while.

With all my chores taking longer, I have been off the computer except to search for washing machine repair. I'll be backtracking through the rest of last week's thread today.

Hope you all had a great week. Have a great weekend. God Bless.

1 posted on 06/06/2014 12:39:39 PM PDT by greeneyes
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To: greeneyes

do ya do hops, climbing roses, buddha belly bamboo, etc???
Dick.G: AMERICAN!
*****


2 posted on 06/06/2014 12:42:14 PM PDT by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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To: greeneyes; Diana in Wisconsin; gardengirl; girlangler; SunkenCiv; HungarianGypsy; Gabz; ...

Pinging the list.


3 posted on 06/06/2014 12:43:57 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

This last winter has made it clear that one should only buy plants that can easily survive in the zone where you live. We have pulled out many conifers that just couldn’t hack it. Joe Bastardi is predicting next winter to be as bad or worse in our area (upper midwest). Meanwhile, down in Madistan, the big nursery has sales people suggesting that, due to global warming, you can easily go one or even two zones toward the warmer climes...idiots!


4 posted on 06/06/2014 12:45:09 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: gunnyg

I do not personally do those, but I have seen mention of such by others on the ping list.


5 posted on 06/06/2014 12:45:11 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: gorush

Personally I would advise going 1 or 2 zones colder. Since the new zone chart from the government has reclassed us as zone 6, and zone 5 plants bit the dust last winter.


6 posted on 06/06/2014 12:47:18 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes
Gardening chores have taken a back seat this week, due to my feankiplumlego. This involves the feet, ankles, hips, lumbar spine, and legs primarily on the right side.

Was not able to put any weight on the right foot at all. Last time it struck, it took a couple of months to get back to where I could walk well with a cane. Hoping it's a light spell this time. Seems to be. Am able to walk with the cane and about 50% weight on the carpeted areas, so progress has been better so far.

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I'm so sorry. I hope that you're better soon!

7 posted on 06/06/2014 12:49:10 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: greeneyes

I am about to give up. Had a tomato plant that already had a baby tomato on it. All I had to do is water the thing. Muerto. My yellow squash, had 6 gorgeous plants. Over knee high and had beautiful flowers. No fruit. My 12 string bean plants yeilded a total of 12 string beans. Have a strawberry plant in the ground. Hasn’t gotten bigger in 3 months.

And on and on. Heck, I can’t even grow grass and that is with the no-fail kits. But everyone around me perfect lawns. Maybe I will put in zeroscape out front and just grow herbs. They are the only thing producing for me.


8 posted on 06/06/2014 12:50:26 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz ("Heck of a reset there, Hillary")
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To: greeneyes

We couldn’t agree more.


9 posted on 06/06/2014 12:50:53 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: gorush; greeneyes

Even though the charts claim that we are zone 6, I try to grow only those plants that are good for zone 3 or 4. I’ve had both zone 5 and 6 plants die here.


10 posted on 06/06/2014 12:51:23 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: greeneyes
Been perfect spring weather for my plants here in Kansas. Overnight rains sun out during the day has my gardens looking good. My corn is producing ears and just about every tomato plant has tomatoes. Some are slightly larger than a golf ball. I had to replant pole beans when they didn't come up but the new ones are 3 to 4" high. The peas are also beginning to pod but I think the tree rats bit some of the plants at the base. The pepper are also flowering.

If we can stay away from the really hot weather for a few more weeks, I think this is going to be a good year.

11 posted on 06/06/2014 12:59:41 PM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: gorush

I have lived on my current street in the Philly burbs for six years and this winter finally killed off a couple of fig trees in a neighbor’s yard that were well-established when I arrived.


12 posted on 06/06/2014 12:59:43 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: greeneyes; Diana in Wisconsin; gardengirl; girlangler; SunkenCiv; HungarianGypsy; Gabz; ...
Pinging the list again. I had meant to mention the 70th anniversary of D Day that is today. I have watched several documentaries on this incredible undertaking this past week.

Watching the Omaha Beach footage and the carnage was a very stark reminder of how costly that war was. I just want to say thanks to any of our remaining Veterans from then as well as all the wonderful people who have served since then.

It is a reminder of just how incredible things happen when we are united in purpose.

13 posted on 06/06/2014 1:00:19 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

Sorry to hear about the health problem. Not being able to walk normal really puts a crimp in life.

I pray that you recover quickly.


14 posted on 06/06/2014 1:00:53 PM PDT by rightly_dividing (Where do these tag lines go?)
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To: greeneyes

Wow hope you can get over the little spell of attacks to your legs and joints. Bad time of the busy year to hit—well its never a good time is it. Surprised with all the rains recently in MO. you only had a little bit come your way.
Ever try cut strawberries directly into the pancake mix?
Yum yum....


15 posted on 06/06/2014 1:04:28 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: trisham

Thanks, I am not sure what exactly it is, but I do know that walking around the basement without shoes and standing in the kitchen with out rubber mats seems to agravate it.

My practioner told me a long time ago, that there was a limited number of things that could cause it, and all of them would be treated with adequate orthotic support, so we didn’t really do any xrays or anything.

Whenever it strikes, I just get religious about wearing shoes and getting rubber mats placed in appropriate standing area in the kitchen.


16 posted on 06/06/2014 1:05:23 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes
I have been sick. Nothing got done. Most stuff in pots is still alive.

Nothing is going to get done until I get better.

/johnny

17 posted on 06/06/2014 1:05:54 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: greeneyes

Our tomatos are a bust for this year. Two don’t want to fruit due to extreme heat, the rest of the 10 plants were attacked by squirrels or birds while we were away last weekend and took half of our crop. We did get a few lemon drop grape tomatos to munch on yesterday.

My peppers are entirely different. Have lots of very large banana peppers and jalapenos, cayenne are doing good, chiltepins are covered with peppers, ghost peppers are doing well.


18 posted on 06/06/2014 1:08:56 PM PDT by rightly_dividing (Where do these tag lines go?)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

I am sorry for your discouragement. I would investigate the soil first. Have you tested your soil? Have you tried raised beds with good dirt and plenty of organic material added?

Our soil in the front yard does the same thing, but the soil in the back yard does great. Just because your neighbors are growing stuff, doesn’t mean that your soil is just as good.


19 posted on 06/06/2014 1:09:24 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

Observing D-Day in Remembrance of our brave veterans who gave all.


20 posted on 06/06/2014 1:12:00 PM PDT by left that other site (You shall know the Truth, and The Truth Shall Set You Free.)
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To: greeneyes

We have those rubber mats in our kitchen. They’re very helpful for my bad knees and my husband’s bad ankle.


21 posted on 06/06/2014 1:12:30 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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I do have some zone 5 stuff, but I put it under cover.

I forgot to mention we appear to be having trouble with climbing cut worms. They got 2 blueberry bushes this week, and a honey dew. If anywone knows how to get rid of them, please let me know. These are not the kind that you can discourage with card board around the base of the stem.


22 posted on 06/06/2014 1:13:01 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Hang in there Andy-—’grow or die’ we gardeners know what a crapshoot it all is. One bit of advice from our pal tobacco /johnny is to have a good amount of backup plants. Glad I took that advice this year as I had to do a 2nd round of replacement ‘maters and also about half my pepper seedlings either died, stunted or rotted at the stem base. backups to the rescue and i didnt even do enough of those but still an adequate amount for my small plot. My arugula is like a weed its so hardy whereas I cant grow any spinach for squat— a complete bust. Sometimes you win and other times you lose in the world of greens.


23 posted on 06/06/2014 1:13:44 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: rightly_dividing

Thanks. It really makes getting in shape tough too. Docs encourage excercise, but be careful and take it slow. Even then, something always seems to happen to interfere.

If it’s not better soon, I’ll be going to the swimming pool for excercise.


24 posted on 06/06/2014 1:17:19 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Sorry that you are not well. Guess we are a couple of sick puppies.


25 posted on 06/06/2014 1:18:26 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: rightly_dividing

I have another pint of cherry tomatoes ready to pick from Mr. indoor tomato.


26 posted on 06/06/2014 1:19:37 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: trisham

They really are! I need to get a couple of more down though as I still have a couple of areas where I stand often that just has vinyl glued to concrete.


27 posted on 06/06/2014 1:22:28 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

Good afternoon gardeners. My tomato plants are all doing very well and I will need to stake them soon. After all my tomatoes were planted I decided to add some sweet peppers and zukes. I have had very limited success in growing zukes or any other type of squash. But I keep trying.

I thought I would follow up on the report of my first visit to the VA clinic that I made in last weeks gardening thread.

My local VA clinic sent me the results from my first visit to the local VA clinic. It is a six-page letter detailing all of the blood work results plus the X-ray results of my right hip. I have some mild osteoarthritis in my hip and they are to schedule me for a MRI. My blood panel tests indicate that I have a low B-12 level and need to have monthly B-12 injections. I am being sent the B-12 and needles in the mail. I am instructed to bring the B-12 and needles to the Clinic so a nurse can give me the injection. All my cholesterol levels are normal and very good. I was offered medication for my hip pain during this visit, which I declined at that time. I have changed my mind and have decided to see if the medication will help. Over all I guess I am in fairly good health except for the right hip problem.

Sorry for the deviation from gardening discussions.


28 posted on 06/06/2014 1:22:45 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 ((VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!))
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To: tflabo

Have you ever tried growing spinach in mushroom compost? I did that one year, and it produced 100% better than any other combo.


29 posted on 06/06/2014 1:24:08 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: dirtboy

The cold weather really did in my fig trees here in Mississippi. No new growth on the old established branches (dead wood) but all three have started new growth from the roots and are looking very healthy right now.


30 posted on 06/06/2014 1:31:31 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 ((VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!))
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To: greeneyes

Funny you mentioned mushroom compost— I saw it at Home Depot and remembered your post on the subject. Didn’t buy it but I added my own homemade compost to the clay soil and tried both seeds and transplanted spinach seedlings but zippo. My gal pal she buys her spinach plants and has better success when transplanting. So maybe next time I’ll use your mushroom compost suggestion—hey maybe for the Fall planting. Maybe the swiss chard will work well too in it since mine went the spinach bust route too. Danke....


31 posted on 06/06/2014 1:32:56 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: Red_Devil 232

That’s fine. Keep us updated on your status, and the VA performance.

I also have had hip problems and pain during the past few years. I found that a heated rice sock really helped, and allowed me to get by without heavy duty painkillers.

Rice socks are easy to make. Just get a really long tube sock. Take a big bag of rice and fill the sock up about 3/4 of the way.

Then tie a knot in the end. Put in Microwave for aabout a min. It will smell like rice for a week or so, but then it will stop smelling. Sometimes I have several going at once.

Put it on any joint that bothers you. It’s a really good neck support which is another place where I have some pains.

Walmart sells a moist pad with “beads” that feels really super too and it heats up in the micro wave, but gives you a moist heat. My mother’s doctor advised moist heat for her osteo arthritis.

I also read in my alternative medicine books that the increased heat will bring the body’s own healing elements to that area and help your own system to work better.

Hope you get to feeling better.


32 posted on 06/06/2014 1:35:39 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: tflabo

I bought some from Home Depot to try too, but haven’t had a chance to do it yet.

The M.R. Compost I had been using came from Walmart, and it was different brand. So I’ll have to see what the Home Depot stuff does too.


33 posted on 06/06/2014 1:38:11 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Red_Devil 232; greeneyes; JRandomFreeper; All

Suckeroos when your all not feeling well. prayers of health and wellness for all of our WGT FReeps who are illin’ out there....
Appreciate every single one.... Thanks Vets too.


34 posted on 06/06/2014 1:43:41 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: greeneyes

Suppose you used a tin can with both sides opened? I guess that wouldn’t work with a bush, unless you cut down the side with tin snips, and then duct taped it back together, perhaps. Or lined the cardboard with aluminum foil? Would either of those options work?


35 posted on 06/06/2014 1:44:56 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: greeneyes

We have been getting fresh beans and some tomatoes. Sure taste better than the stuff you get in the store.

Carrots should be ready to pull this next week. They are doing really well this year.


36 posted on 06/06/2014 1:46:55 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I’m sorry to hear that you’re ill. I hope that you’re feeling better soon.


37 posted on 06/06/2014 1:47:54 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Red_Devil 232

Did they offer you Celebrex for the arthritis or tramadol for orthopedic pain? Both may help greatly if your arthritis is mild.


38 posted on 06/06/2014 1:52:31 PM PDT by rightly_dividing (Where do these tag lines go?)
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To: JRandomFreeper; greeneyes

Sorry to hear you guys are under the weather. Prayers tfor a speedy recovery.

My tromboncinos are going great guns, My only 2 cucuzzi are well, except I noted some leaf miner damage on the bottom leaf of one cucuzza this am. Dug up some red potatoes yesterday. They were’nt that big, but snails or something had decimated the foliage. Tomatoes are starting to come in. I pick up about 6 a day of the lemon boys, and romas, and about two of the mystery tomatoes. My gypsy, and mucho nacho peppers are doing good. I pulled up most of my swiss chard, and lettuce, but haven’t decided what to plant there.

I found a Japanese beetle in my greenhouse this am. I’ve never had a Japanese beetle ever here, and I’ve been in this house 30+ years. I’ve seen them on roses in Alabama,and they were horrible, and destructive, and hard to kill, so I hope they haven’t moved in around here. Ants that look like fire ants, but aren’t so “bitey” ate my ginger. I pulled up some ginger root, and it was just a hollow skin. The ants havent’t gotten into my potatoes, tomatoes or anything else. Found a few stink bug looking suck holes on a couple of my lemon boy tomatoes.

It is starting to feel like summer here after our too short spring. It’s in the low 70’s in the mornings when I go out to do the garden chores.


39 posted on 06/06/2014 2:01:18 PM PDT by sockmonkey (Of course I didn't read the article. After all, this is Free Republic.)
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To: greeneyes

Tomatoes are languishing, as temperatures again drop into the 50s & low 60s for the last several days. No; not at nigh, but as HIGHS. Freshly set out sweet potato slips don’t think much of it, either.

This cool snap, after a week of highs in the upper 80s & low 90s for about a week has caused the Egyptian walking onions to bolt; been chopping their heads off, and Mrs. AR has been using the buds in the kitchen: very hot, but also with a great, strong onion flavor. At least the rest of the cool season stuff likes it.

All the bare root transplants are doing great.

At 8, Not The Helper seems to be slowing down. She is still getting her full share of mice & voles, but we’ve never seen so many young cottontails still running around this late, though we have seen her with a couple of them, Last week, she offered a fresh one to Mrs. AR, while she was out pulling weeds.

The winter rye is now about 4’ tall, and recovered from the lodging...then was blown down again day before yesterday, when yet another thunderstorm rolled through with 50-70 MPH gusts. At least no real damage, and everything is staying watered without having to use what’s tanked.


40 posted on 06/06/2014 2:04:58 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: tflabo

Thanks for the sympathy and good wishes.


41 posted on 06/06/2014 2:09:44 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

The reason I declined the offer for the pain meds for my hip was I thought that the pain was warning me to rest it. I only have pain when having to walk up slight up hill grades or for long periods of time. Like walking around in a Wal Mart super store. I figured the pain meds would let me just ignore the pain and let me do more damage to my hip. The pain goes away if I set down and rest for a few min.

Your rice in a sock sounds like a good idea. I guess it could be used as a cold pack also?


42 posted on 06/06/2014 2:11:56 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 ((VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!))
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To: rightly_dividing

They did not offer any specific meds just said medication.


43 posted on 06/06/2014 2:14:00 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 ((VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!))
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To: trisham

I believe these are climbing cut worms, since the damage is typically a foot above the ground. I have read that they ignore all such stuff around the base. I have only tried cardboard so far.

I’ll need to recon after dark around midnight to see if I can find whatever it is for sure.


44 posted on 06/06/2014 2:16:36 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Arrowhead1952

We have a bunch of radishes. Hubby got some seeds that had the word cabbage, but they turned out to be radishes. I’ll use some in salads, but there is not way to use them all that way.

Anyone have any other recipes or ways to use radishes? I know they are considered a good cover crop, so when all else fails there’s the compost heap.LOL


45 posted on 06/06/2014 2:21:53 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes
In remembrance of D-Day a short 70 years ago today. when I had just turned 11 the month before…

$_57 3

46 posted on 06/06/2014 2:36:14 PM PDT by tubebender (Evening news is where they begin with "Good Evening," and then proceed to tell you why it isn't.)
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To: rightly_dividing; Red_Devil 232
I thought they took celebrex off the market? I had a friend that was taking that and loved it, but it led to other health issues, so her doc told her she had to quit taking it.

Tramdol blocks the pain, but doesn't do anything for the inflammation. It also contains Acetaminophen, and that's not always explained very well by the docs, so people sometimes get too much by taking tramdol and Tylenol.

I am a real wuss when it comes to pain, but I have avoided taking anything for years by using the heat treatments where ever it hurts. Recently headaches have caused me to take aspirin alternated with Tylenol, and I use that very sparingly.

My doc told me to take a product containing glucosimine chondroiton like osteo bi flex to help reverse or slow down osteo arthritis and osteoporosis, and he usually doesn't have much positive to say about supplements. I checked it out, and research supports a benefit from glucosimin chondroiton to help build cartilage. If you get the kind that has MSM, that is also supposed to help relieve pain.

So many options to try. One benefit of modern medicine.

47 posted on 06/06/2014 2:41:29 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: sockmonkey

Potatoes seem to be my best crop so far this year.


48 posted on 06/06/2014 2:43:45 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: ApplegateRanch

Your weather pattern sounds similar to ours. I haven’t had to use much of our stored water either. What I did use has been replenished.

This is good, since our supply is not as good as we felt we needed due to the leak in the swimming pool. That was about 1500 gallons that we had to go ahead and use/drain off to repair the leak.

Since then we have only collected about 1000 gallons to get us through the regular summer drought.


49 posted on 06/06/2014 2:48:59 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Red_Devil 232

I wondered if it was something I’d done to my figs as they’re doing the exact same thing. All the above ground limbs are dead and they’re coming up at the base from the roots.

Good to know it’s not something I’d done. I’ll try to remember to mulch them next winter and see if that makes a difference and maybe cover if it gets below 15F.


50 posted on 06/06/2014 2:49:10 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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