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Vanity.....Bergdahl scenario input from former Nam era Army SF/POW
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Posted on 06/06/2014 1:32:57 PM PDT by CGASMIA68

This from a former Army Special Forces and POW in Vietnam. Subject: Re: SGT BERGDAHL

Here is where I am on this thing. Everyone is talking except Sergeant(PFC at time he went missing) B. If it was mine the first things I would be addressing would be in order:

1. If he was with three Afghan soldiers what role did they play in his disappearance?

2. The blurry description of what happened to him makes it appear more and more as if he was not on guard or patrol when captured, including one from an Afghan that he was sitting on the crapper.

3. Over a long period of time he made many statements which have now come back to become part of the lore surrounding his disappearance.

4. He was accused of spending too much time with the Afghans and even trying to learn their language(had he not gone missing this would hardly be something to damn the man for but to commend him for).

5. One of the Taliban in the release party is quoted as telling Bergdahl that he would be killed if they ever saw him again(hardly what one would tell a man who 'converted to Islam and joined the enemy').

6. Interviews with Afghans not directly under American control and protection are totally worthless as they were in Vietnam.

7. How closely has his association with Afghan 'allies' been looked at and why would his equipment,except that normally carried on the belt,being in his tent be such a positive sign that he deserted when two reports said he had his rifle(go back to the report he was seen on the crapper)?

8. Did he leave his 'post' or exit the main 'outpost' with no one seeing him(except those three pesky Afghans)?

9. His past statements show no love for the Taliban and in fact ask why more was not being done to protect the villagers from them.

10. Have our Afghan allies he was accused of spending too much time with been boxed to ascertain their truthfulness or are they also missing?

11. Put no credence in the fact that he was not until late in his captivity called a POW because that trails a change in DOD policy as to how such missing soldiers will be referred.

12. He was known to greatly admire the Special Forces and how they conducted their dangerous business among the Afghans and this hardly shows the intent to defect but past experience tells me that this admiration would not sit well with conventional troops and leaders.

ALL THINGS BEING SAID ARE BEING STATED BEFORE ANYONE TALKED TO THIS GUY?

LIKE ALL THOSE TALKING(ON AND OFF THE RECORD) I DO NOT HAVE A CLUE AS TO HOW EXACTLY THIS GUY ENDED UP IN THE HANDS OF THE ENEMY BUT FROM THE STATEMENTS BADMOUTHING HIM, MADE BY OTHERS, I SENSE THIS FELLOW WAS A TOUGH ENOUGH GUY MARTIALLY THEY NEVER SAID THEM TO HIS FACE BEFORE HE WENT MISSING.

IN THE END I BELIEVE WE SHALL ALL BE SURPRISED HOW THIS PLAYS OUT.

SADLY,I BELIEVE THIS ADMINISTRATION AND IT'S MILITARY/CIVILIAN SYCOPHANTS WILL SPIN THIS AS FAR AS POSSIBLE FROM THE TRUTH AS THEY CAN.

ONLY THE MUCH MALIGNED SERGEANT CAN SHED ANY LIGHT ON THIS ONE.

HERO OR TRAITOR? I DO NOT HAVE A CLUE AND NEITHER DO MOST TALKING ABOUT IT.


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; bergdahl; bobbergdahl; bowebergdahl; gitmo
This is making the rounds in an email I rejected most.Opinions please.
1 posted on 06/06/2014 1:32:57 PM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: CGASMIA68

Full of false hoods....The traitors team members are the ones who told what happened the night the traitor left camp. THEY would know. The traitor was making anti American noises before he left (for months in fact)...how do I know??? His team mates have said so.

Whoever wrote this so called analysis is an Obozo supporter who does not bother to find out ANY facts before he blows his nose (hence becoming brainless).

Some folks are useful idiots....I expected more from SF (but then that is the writer’s claim. how do I know?)


2 posted on 06/06/2014 1:38:58 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: CGASMIA68

Now I hear rumors that he was carrying an AK-47 and target practicing with his “captors”


3 posted on 06/06/2014 1:39:56 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: CGASMIA68

It needs references to give a read on whether it’s a reliable point of view or a Dem smokescreen. The testimony of his squad-mates is more powerful—this seems possible, but unsubstantiated. My opinion, of course.


4 posted on 06/06/2014 1:40:29 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: CGASMIA68

Re # 6 - The Afghans were in Vietnam?


5 posted on 06/06/2014 1:40:45 PM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: CGASMIA68
All you have to is watch the video of his crazy old man speaking Pashto to Ubama in the Rose Garden to know that Bowey is a traitor.
6 posted on 06/06/2014 1:43:09 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

My point exactly.
I told the sender it looks like some virtual , unverified bunch of crap and they may not want to be disseminating it as it gives former POW/SF guys a bad name


7 posted on 06/06/2014 1:48:23 PM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: Nifster

Totally agree. This seems like another desperate attempt by the Obamazombies to defend the guy. “Has anyone talked to him?” Yeah, his team members asshat. If he was a POW and was captured while on the crapper I highly doubt the guys own team members would be making the news rounds badmouthing him.


8 posted on 06/06/2014 1:48:33 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Hitlery: Incarnation of evil.)
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To: CGASMIA68

Without the name of the author it’s not worth anything. That said it’s full of errors, intentional or otherwise.


9 posted on 06/06/2014 1:49:10 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where?)
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To: CGASMIA68

The author is unmitigated ass and an agent provocateur.


10 posted on 06/06/2014 1:51:13 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: CGASMIA68

Huge BS ALERT!!!!


11 posted on 06/06/2014 1:52:22 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: CGASMIA68

If the author of this piece formerly was a POW himself, then by his tone and the way he questions motive, it suggests to me he sympathizes with Bergdahl and is overlooking facts that make a very strong case that Bergdahl did desert.

Sentence structure is poor, so I had to reread most sentences several times to get to the real meaning of his questions or statements. Is the writer seeking truth or is he lobbying for leniency or more for Bergdahl? Whichever, I am inclined not to buy in to his perceived bias.


12 posted on 06/06/2014 1:57:35 PM PDT by miele man
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To: CGASMIA68

As I said in another thread, I trust the opinions of the men who were with him before he left.

I would be surprised if Bergdahl says anything that will sway my opinion. It seems pretty cut and dried to me.

The interview that Megyn Kelly had with the men who served with him was telling.

When she asked these men “Raise your hand if you think he deserted” and every one of them instantly (with no hesitation) raised their hand, that told me something. Then she instructed “Raise your hand if you think he should be put on trial” and every hand instantly shot up, that said even more.

If I have to choose how to view this, I am going to view it through their eyes. They were there.

I know this guy who was a POW in Vietnam is going to have strong feelings about it, and I don’t blame him, but he knows as much about the circumstances as we do, and is reading far more into it in a positive way for Bergdahl than can be rationally done with the known facts at hand, and in the face of the men who served with him in Afghanistan.


13 posted on 06/06/2014 1:57:35 PM PDT by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by it"s weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: CGASMIA68

I think this is largely a bunch of b.s. Just a lefty smokescreen to sow doubt and confusion. The soldiers speaking out know what they’re talking about. I’ll stand with them.


14 posted on 06/06/2014 1:58:47 PM PDT by pgkdan (ISLAM IS THE RELIGION OF THE ANTICHRIST!)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Even the things said about John “I served in Viet Nam” Kerry never accused him of deserting and being a traitor who collaborated with the enemy (though a couple of the stories came close to that).

I am just real suspicious of anyone who makes claims (special forces and a pow). I have no way of knowing if any of what he claims about himself is true or not. Since the O admin has no shame in using phony folks (union workers in lab coast being called doctors etc), I will with hold a scolding. But because the analysis was so ridden with error and lack of fact, I tend to think it is just one of the yammering class.


15 posted on 06/06/2014 1:59:07 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: rlmorel

I make those past statements without analyzing the veracity of the person writing it. He may be a fake. But I am taking it as face value, because it doesn’t change how I feel one way or another.


16 posted on 06/06/2014 2:03:38 PM PDT by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by it"s weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: CGASMIA68

This sounds totally bogus with a capital “B”. It does not even sound like a former military person would express themselves.


17 posted on 06/06/2014 2:08:49 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Nifster

Special Forces AND a POW?

Give me a name.
Verify that this “person” is not reading an administration script written by Rambo Q. Democrat, Berkeley, 1968.


18 posted on 06/06/2014 2:09:09 PM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: CGASMIA68
The author forgot...

B was watching a nefarious Youtube video before he spontaneously decided to walk away.

19 posted on 06/06/2014 2:12:06 PM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys-Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat-But they know what's best for you.)
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To: Nifster

I would think the list of captured SF guys in Vietnam would be relatively small (comparatively speaking)


20 posted on 06/06/2014 2:16:49 PM PDT by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by it"s weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Have you noticed that Daddy Jihad has been disappeared? The Obama Admin, realizing he was a skunk at the garden party, has hauled him out of the spotlight after his 15 minutes. But I remember his appearance and his statements.


21 posted on 06/06/2014 2:19:12 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: miss marmelstein
I've also noticed that Bowey is nowhere to be seen either.

Ubama's Wag-the-Bergdahls did not go as planned.

22 posted on 06/06/2014 2:21:46 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: CGASMIA68

Weak attempt at spreading disinformation to stop the truth from leaking out all over the place.

Weak, weak attempt.

Fellow platoon members won’t say things against each other unless they got a reason.

Mini-Bergdahl has all the earmarks of somethin’ that stinks to high heaven, and so does his pop, for that matter.

Global finance, US Soldiers on patrol in opium poppy fields, CIA and the White Hut heart Islam... all the stuff we see in the news obviously stinks, and it’s stinking obvious.


23 posted on 06/06/2014 2:23:50 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Oh, we won’t see him for years! Where are the Benghazi survivors? They’ve, apparently, been put on a desert island. Don’t mind if Daddy Jihad is forced to join them, that creep.


24 posted on 06/06/2014 2:25:02 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: CGASMIA68

Maybe Bergdude is an MKUltra dropout whose only use was the excuse to transfer 5 more CIA terrorists back into the field for them.


25 posted on 06/06/2014 2:31:23 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: CGASMIA68
Have we forgotten already?

From August 2013: US Military Caught Manipulating Social Media, Running Mass Propaganda Accounts

-PJ

26 posted on 06/06/2014 2:43:32 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: rlmorel

That’s what I’m thinking, Army Special Forces were not the type they wanted as POWs, and I don’t recall hearing of many taken alive.

Nick Rowe concealed the fact that he was a Green Beret.


27 posted on 06/06/2014 2:45:05 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: miss marmelstein
Where are the Benghazi survivors?

With the MA 370 passengers ?
28 posted on 06/06/2014 2:55:11 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: rlmorel
I would think the list of captured SF guys in Vietnam would be relatively small (comparatively speaking)

They never got Michael Hand, he disappeared on his own.
29 posted on 06/06/2014 3:03:25 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: PieterCasparzen

A long list of missing folks!


30 posted on 06/06/2014 4:01:37 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: CGASMIA68

When his turn for fireguard came up, he was missing. But all kinds of political experts and untrusted foreign enemies are filling us in. What shows, is the broadcasting to the world of the lack of cohesion on that site and the consequence of kidnapping or desertion. The enemy will take advantage of that.


31 posted on 06/06/2014 5:06:30 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

Exactly my thoughts....some things just don’t pass the sniff test


32 posted on 06/06/2014 5:19:40 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: rlmorel

Have to admit I don’t know even how to go about checking that....but I would think it is very small


33 posted on 06/06/2014 5:20:47 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: rlmorel

I don’t know how many were SF but I was able to find out that there a total of 1350 folks considered as POWs in Viet Nam. Some 765 were returned after the war. The rest are part of that POW/MIA effort. Many have had remains returned since 1973 and were KIA.

So some yahoo without official name or identifier claims to be super unique....Now I am even more suspicious


34 posted on 06/06/2014 5:53:24 PM PDT by Nifster
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