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UNC's McCants: 'Just show up, play' [Academic fraud allegations]
Espn.com ^

Posted on 06/07/2014 7:31:19 AM PDT by Perdogg

Rashad McCants, the second-leading scorer on the North Carolina basketball team that won the 2004-05 national title, told ESPN's "Outside the Lines" that tutors wrote his term papers, he rarely went to class for about half his time at UNC, and he remained able to play largely because he took bogus classes designed to keep athletes academically eligible.

McCants told "Outside the Lines" that he could have been academically ineligible to play during the championship season had he not been provided the assistance. Further, he said head basketball coach Roy Williams knew about the "paper class" system at UNC. The so-called paper classes didn't require students to go to class; rather, students were required to submit only one term paper to receive a grade.

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1 posted on 06/07/2014 7:31:19 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Perdogg

Auburn did the same exact thing so it’s no big deal to the NCAA.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/14/sports/ncaafootball/14auburn.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0


2 posted on 06/07/2014 7:33:31 AM PDT by boycott
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To: boycott

Disagree..Roy Williams will be gone, and they will forfeit the 2005 NCAA championship..just watch..


3 posted on 06/07/2014 7:34:41 AM PDT by ken5050 ("One useless man is a shame, two are a law firm, three or more are a Congress".. John Adams)
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To: ken5050

Having watched Williams at KU and met him and various staff any number of times during his tenure, found the culture to be nurturing but not false or dishonest.

Do universities have a machine to keep their athletes playing with as much propping up as possible, they always have in the last fifty years.


4 posted on 06/07/2014 7:40:33 AM PDT by KC Burke (Gowdy for Supreme Court)
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To: ken5050
Disagree..Roy Williams will be gone, and they will forfeit the 2005 NCAA championship..just watch.

Maybe. But if both these things happen, Tar Heels supporters (and there are a few) will not rest until plenty of other major programs are scrutinized as closely (and fail).

You also underestimate Carolina Blue's role in the NCAA's financial well-being.
5 posted on 06/07/2014 7:40:38 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Perdogg

One of many

Dexter Manley did the 12 years ‘Public Schooling’, 4 years at Oklahoma State and they basically had to read his contract and newspapers etc to him.

He was walking down the street one day and a kid said
“Paper Mister”?
“No, I can’t read”

“SO WHAT MISTER, BUY THE PAPER, CARRY IT UNDER YOUR ARM AND NO ONE WILL KNOW THE DIFFERENCE”.


6 posted on 06/07/2014 7:41:52 AM PDT by xrmusn ((6/98)"Those are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. (G Marx))".)
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To: KC Burke

Roy Boy was dirty at KU. Recruiting rules did not apply to the cryer.


7 posted on 06/07/2014 7:49:06 AM PDT by safetysign
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To: Perdogg

If UNC is doing what McCants is alleging then every other major university football and basketball program is probably doing the same thing. College sports is big money and most of these schools want in on the cash flow.


8 posted on 06/07/2014 7:49:22 AM PDT by dowcaet
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To: ken5050

Disagree..Roy Williams will be gone, and they will forfeit the 2005 NCAA championship..just watch..


You never know.

Some schools just seem to get away with everything.

(1) Everyone with an IQ above 11 knows Cam Newton was sold to auburn.

(2) Auburn even had a player with a fake transcript that was actually caught by Notre Dame. Auburn had violated NCAA rules to sign this guy. He’s the to JUCO player in the nation and he’s committed to Auburn now.

(3) The Eric Ramsey deal where they were caught paying players only got them what amounted to a slap on the wrist. Coaches paying players and they only lose a few scholarships?

(4) They had players receiving money from agents — Victor Riley and Stephen Davis — and the NCAA did nothing.

(5) Their current basketball coach has a “show cause” with the NCAA because he was caught cheating and lying to the NCAA.

The list is long but I don’t want to spend my weekend doing it. I guess one of the best strategies for cheating is hiring folks from the NCAA’s compliance office the way Auburn does.

The NCAA is a bunch of bureaucratic politically correct liberals that are very biased and arbitrary in their enforcement and punishment. Therefore, I have no clue what they’ll do next.


9 posted on 06/07/2014 7:50:10 AM PDT by boycott
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To: Perdogg

ESPN.

Paragon of virtue and objectivity.

This Rashad Dude is writing a book.

Read his self important melodrama: “... I’m putting my life on the line for the younger generation right now, and I know that nobody else wants to step up and speak out because everybody’s afraid, fear, submission, especially the black athletes ... ”

Yeah, he’s so selfless.

And: “It’s about my kids, about your kids. It’s about their kids. It’s about knowing the education that I received and knowing that something needs to change,”

It’s about only playing 4 years in the NBA, having to play in Europe and being broke.


10 posted on 06/07/2014 8:04:08 AM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: Perdogg

Be careful. I’ve heard McCants is going to “write” a book.

This is right out of the Clinton playbook. When things get dicey, put an over-the-top accusation out into the public arena. When it’s proven wrong, use the story to ridicule all other accusers.

There’s some smoke emanating from the Chapel Hill campus but this report seems just a bit too blatant.

We’ll see.


11 posted on 06/07/2014 8:04:18 AM PDT by Bratch
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To: Resettozero
Believe me: the Tar Heels are a minor player in the financial concerns of the NCAA.
I live in CA, and on the West Coast, the UNC-CH might as well not exist.
12 posted on 06/07/2014 8:06:45 AM PDT by quadrant (1o)
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To: dowcaet
I just with the US government policed potential immigrants as well as the NCAA.




13 posted on 06/07/2014 8:09:32 AM PDT by Bratch
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To: quadrant
Believe me: the Tar Heels are a minor player in the financial concerns of the NCAA. I live in CA, and on the West Coast, the UNC-CH might as well not exist.

Okay then.
14 posted on 06/07/2014 8:13:09 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Perdogg
More smoke.

2005 UNC champs relied on suspect classes, records show


Rashad McCants was not the only UNC men’s basketball player from the 2005 national championship team who relied heavily on African studies classes that didn’t meet, according to whistleblower Mary Willingham, who tutored athletes during that period.

Data she provided to The News & Observer show that five members of that team, including at least four key players, accounted for a combined 38 enrollments in classes that have been identified as confirmed or suspected lecture classes that never met. The data also show that the five athletes accounted for 13 enrollments that were accurately identified as independent studies.

Those classes are also suspect because for much of the last decade, the department offered far more independent studies than it could properly supervise, previous reviews have shown.

The revelation of the classes, plus McCants’ interview broadcast Friday by ESPN, are the strongest links between the basketball program and the academic scandal that has stretched into its third year.



15 posted on 06/07/2014 8:17:57 AM PDT by Bratch
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To: boycott

I just knew you were a Bama fan. You think this stuff doesn’t happens at Alabama?


16 posted on 06/07/2014 8:21:54 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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When are colleges going to be forced to admit that there are students, and there are athletes , and with very few exceptions other than in very minor sports, they are rarely both. The amount of games played to make these people appear to be students is an incredible waste of resources


17 posted on 06/07/2014 8:22:29 AM PDT by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ. In the US the number is 54%i)
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To: Resettozero
Its not just the Tar Heels, but the entire ACC.
If anything “back east” concerns college sports fans on the West Coast, its the SEC.
18 posted on 06/07/2014 8:31:16 AM PDT by quadrant (1o)
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To: quadrant
Its not just the Tar Heels, but the entire ACC. If anything “back east” concerns college sports fans on the West Coast, its the SEC.

You switched from BB to FB, but...

Okay then.
19 posted on 06/07/2014 8:34:17 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Resettozero
BB or FB, college sports fans on the West Coast are obsessed by the SEC.
20 posted on 06/07/2014 8:43:55 AM PDT by quadrant (1o)
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To: SeaHawkFan

I just knew you were a Bama fan.


Of course. Aren’t we all?

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You think this stuff doesn’t happens at Alabama?


Absolutely not. We know we would get the double secret probation along with the death penalty.


21 posted on 06/07/2014 8:45:27 AM PDT by boycott
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To: boycott

You got that right. The NCAA loathes Alabama.


22 posted on 06/07/2014 8:55:54 AM PDT by Lil Flower (American by birth. Southern by the Grace of God! ROLL TIDE!!)
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To: safetysign

compared to other athletic programs I have been around on the business side, like MU, KU is a chapel.


23 posted on 06/07/2014 9:12:49 AM PDT by KC Burke (Gowdy for Supreme Court)
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To: Perdogg
This sort of thing did not go on when Dean Smith was coach at UNC.

FWIW - I graduated UNC Business School in '77 between Bruce Buckley and Walter Davis. I sat next to Walter in about half of my business classes. He earned that degree. Bruce was a Rhodes Scholar. I did not play basketball but knew about half the team on any given year.

IIRC - Dean Smith had the greatest number of Academic All Americans of any coach in the NCAA.

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24 posted on 06/07/2014 9:16:58 AM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: Resettozero; boycott
Remember, this involves academic fraud on a massive scale..basically the entire African America studies dept was a RICO organization...so you clean house top to bottom..

What I still do not understand..what led McCants to blab now?

25 posted on 06/07/2014 9:40:03 AM PDT by ken5050 ("One useless man is a shame, two are a law firm, three or more are a Congress".. John Adams)
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To: ken5050

” .......... what led McCants to blab now? “


It could be that he’s running out of money. I am not sure but he may be bitter because he’s not set for life because he blew a lot of his money. If he has to rely on a degree in African Studies, it’s a useless piece of paper unless he lands a government job or a job in education.

African Studies is as much an advanced degree program as Africa is a developed continent.


26 posted on 06/07/2014 9:48:47 AM PDT by boycott
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To: boycott
I saw the interview on ESPN..he's well spoken...and seems erudite...so he's intelligent..they'd let him come back to finish his degree..no charge...but he can't sue... he admitted to being a willing participant in the fraud..so there's no pile of gold there for him..and he didn't have an attorney/mouthpiece..

There's something more in play here, I suspect..

27 posted on 06/07/2014 10:02:19 AM PDT by ken5050 ("One useless man is a shame, two are a law firm, three or more are a Congress".. John Adams)
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To: Perdogg

I remember hearing a pro-player in some sport say he never cracked a book in college... although he did read the Obama biography


28 posted on 06/07/2014 10:10:42 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: ken5050

Let colleges openly pay players. They have a value...and the colleges are acting as a free farm system for the NFL. One knee blowout and a multimillion dollar future is toast, given to a college that makes those millions from a star player. Heck, let them unionize and know the value of their stardom. It will help them get a handle on their NFL value...or lack of value.

DK


29 posted on 06/07/2014 10:15:34 AM PDT by Dark Knight
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To: quadrant
BB or FB, college sports fans on the West Coast are obsessed by the SEC.

Okay then.
30 posted on 06/07/2014 10:39:43 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Bratch

Had this been Kentucky the fury of ESPN and the NCAA would be raining down still upon the program. The NCAA is like the IRS they make up the rules as they go and have those the hate and love and UNC along with KU get lots of winks and blinks but no serious penalties.


31 posted on 06/07/2014 11:27:09 AM PDT by sarge83
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To: Bratch
this report seems just a bit too blatant.

How do you imagine a person with an IQ of 83 and combined SATs of 750 manages at a place like Chapel Hill?

Come on! The whole NCAA is engaging in massive and continuous fraud about these "students". I don't give two sh*ts about it one way or the other - but it's probably better for the culture to own up to it, stop forcing the athletes to pretend to go to class, and pay them a decent salary.

Of course, if there are SEC recruits with IQs of 110 and SATs of 1150 and above who WANT to go to college and are able to do so, they should be allowed to. How many SEC starters like that do you think there are?

32 posted on 06/07/2014 11:34:29 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Perdogg

SO, who’s surprise?


33 posted on 06/07/2014 12:49:50 PM PDT by geo40xyz (BE PREPARED: Geo The Engineer so smart, he doesn't need a TelePrompter to speak. Unlike the AH:-))
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