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The Problem With American Soccer Fans
Wall Street Journal ^ | June 6, 2014 | Jonathan Clegg

Posted on 06/10/2014 5:50:15 AM PDT by C19fan

Growing up as a soccer fan in England, I've witnessed my fair share of horrors. I've seen shocking acts of violence, overheard hundreds of abusive chants and watched Pelé retire to sell erectile dysfunction pills.

Over the years, I've been angered, saddened and ashamed by these things. But through it all, my love for soccer remained undimmed.

But lately, I've discovered there's a new scourge on my beloved game that I simply cannot tolerate: Americans.

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TOPICS: Sports
KEYWORDS: snore; soccer; zfest
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1 posted on 06/10/2014 5:50:15 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: C19fan

Sounds racist.


2 posted on 06/10/2014 5:51:20 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: C19fan
Understand that I'm not talking about the vast majority of you, who still regard soccer as a distinctly European product of dubious worth...

Wow...glad you clarified that.

'Cause, you know...soccer sucks.

But, for your sake, I hope all 22 soccer fans in America behave themselves.

3 posted on 06/10/2014 5:52:51 AM PDT by OldSmaj (I am an avowed enemy of islam and obama is a damned fool and traitor. Questions?)
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To: driftdiver

Sort of funny that these Soccerphiles have been telling us Yanks what supposedly a great game it is. Now there is a decent audience for say English Premier League games and quite naturally Yanks adopt what they see on TV then this wanker starts complaining.


4 posted on 06/10/2014 5:53:44 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: OldSmaj

American... Soccer Fans.

oxymoron


5 posted on 06/10/2014 5:54:34 AM PDT by traderrob6
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To: C19fan

I’ve never watched a soccer game in my life. It’s maybe one step above Golf on the boring as heck scale.


6 posted on 06/10/2014 5:54:48 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: driftdiver

Forget soccer. It’s RUGBY.


7 posted on 06/10/2014 5:55:08 AM PDT by mfish13 (Elections have Consequences.)
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To: C19fan

He thinks soccer fans are cultured.

Yeah, thats why they throw toilets from the stands and kill people in Brazil.


8 posted on 06/10/2014 5:56:05 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: C19fan

American soccer fans? Who knew?


9 posted on 06/10/2014 5:57:41 AM PDT by READINABLUESTATE ("If guns cause crime, there must be something wrong with mine." -Ted Nugent)
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To: C19fan

The soccerfacation of America is the last straw causing our downfall.


10 posted on 06/10/2014 5:57:48 AM PDT by pallis
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To: Berlin_Freeper

One to add to the daily soccer “caucus” thread.

I agree with most of the points the author makes about the subset of Americans who basically are soccer “fans” as some kind of hipster counter-culture movement. But as a more typically American fan of soccer, I will still use terms like “field” and “pitch” interchangeably, and I will refer to my kids’ soccer uniforms as having a home and away “kit”, but I don’t think I’m the type of “fan” being complained about here.


11 posted on 06/10/2014 6:00:23 AM PDT by kevkrom (I'm not an unreasonable man... well, actually, I am. But hear me out anyway.)
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To: C19fan
If you think die-hard SEC college football fans are bad, just wait till you deal with the ultra fans of soccer teams in Europe. Those ultra fans make the drunken NFL fans in the upper deck of stadiums look positively civilized in comparison.
12 posted on 06/10/2014 6:00:55 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: mfish13

Agreed. I watched my first Rugby game in Ireland about three years and found a sport that interests me!
The Guinness was good too!!


13 posted on 06/10/2014 6:02:20 AM PDT by Maine Mariner
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To: driftdiver
He thinks soccer fans are cultured.

The article made the exact opposite point. He said that soccer is a working class sport in the rest of the world, but these poseur American fans (with their same "study abroad stories") think it makes them classy and cultured.

He's making fun of the hipster wanna be euroweenie douches you'll find in Boston and NYC and Ivy League bars.

I know a bunch of these goofballs. The type that pronounce Barcelona "Barthelona" because they've been there and know the secret pronunciation.

14 posted on 06/10/2014 6:02:59 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: READINABLUESTATE
American soccer fans? Who knew?

I call them "Soccer Moms."

15 posted on 06/10/2014 6:03:36 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: dead

I dunno, I had trouble reading much of the article and I did try.


16 posted on 06/10/2014 6:07:29 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: C19fan

Soccer? ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

I can’t believe how popular it’s getting here in America. The only explanations I can come up with are A) it’s rather cheap to participate...shoes, shorts, shirt, maybe pads, and B) part of the pussification of America...not as dangerous as football or hockey.


17 posted on 06/10/2014 6:11:57 AM PDT by Mich Patriot (Pitch black is the new "transparent.")
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To: driftdiver

Sounds arrogant.


18 posted on 06/10/2014 6:12:00 AM PDT by al_c (Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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To: P-Marlowe
I’ve never watched a soccer game in my life. It’s maybe one step above Golf on the boring as heck scale.

I shared that view for many years. I've now watched enough youth soccer to have developed a bit of an appreciation for the game. That said, soccer has one major barrier to overcome before making it big in the U.S., and that is television. Soccer does not lend itself to a television commerical every 38.4 seconds. Unless soccer starts allowing a tv timeout on every throw-in, it will never get a big time tv contract, and it will remain a small budget game.

I hope that soccer does not compromise. U.S. basketball and football have turned themselves into grotesque parodies of the game that used to be played to accommodate television. At least with soccer, you still get to watch an uninterrupted game, as opposed to a steady parade of commercial messages with a few athletic highlights thrown in during the breaks.

19 posted on 06/10/2014 6:14:36 AM PDT by sphinx
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To: OldSmaj
He's actually making a great point.

Soccer fandom in America is about affectation, not appreciation.

I played it in grammar school and in high school.

It's fun, it's a good workout, and there is more of tactics and strategy to it than appears on first glance.

In America it is still basically a pick-up game for amateurs.

And I find it difficult to obsess over English Premier League play because I'm not English.

Well, ethnically I am, but you understand my point.

20 posted on 06/10/2014 6:16:14 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: C19fan

There are American soccer fans? Why?


21 posted on 06/10/2014 6:17:53 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (I am an American - Not a Republican or a Democrat.)
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To: driftdiver

You and me both. He can’t seem to stay on point, much less make a point.

I suppose he’s bothered that American soccer fans have become exactly like the drunken oxen that Euro soccer fans have always been. I’ll never forget reading about how one Italian fanatic reacted to his favorite soccer player being transferred to another Italian rival team—throwing himself in front of a train.

I love the game, but the fans ruin it.


22 posted on 06/10/2014 6:19:00 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Bible Summary in a few verses: John 14:6, John 6:29, Romans 10:9-10)
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To: kevkrom
But as a more typically American fan of soccer ...

I hear 'ya. The author lost me when he started complaining about Americans talking about PK's and outside defenders. Perfectly good American contributions to soccer lingo, IMHO, and clearer in meaning than his preferred usages. It was a queer complaint from someone who started out criticizing the eurotwit wannabes who mindlessly copy everything european.

23 posted on 06/10/2014 6:19:34 AM PDT by sphinx
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To: driftdiver
I found it interesting because he was mocking a subset of people I've also noticed - the people always out to prove they're more European (generally because they've spent more than two weeks there) than the Americans they're forced to interact with. The same people who want to discuss how Russian ballet or French movies are soooo much better than their American counterparts or how sophisticated German pop music is.

The article was more interesting than watching soccer anyway. By a long shot.

24 posted on 06/10/2014 6:21:18 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: sphinx

“That said, soccer has one major barrier to overcome before making it big in the U.S., and that is television. Soccer does not lend itself to a television commerical every 38.4 seconds. Unless soccer starts allowing a tv timeout on every throw-in, it will never get a big time tv contract, and it will remain a small budget game.”

That’s one of the only things that keep me watching the game. If it ever became a snore like the NFL or MLB then I suppose I’ll never watch another full game again, just like I can’t stomach 4 hours of “football” and beer commercials.


25 posted on 06/10/2014 6:21:23 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Bible Summary in a few verses: John 14:6, John 6:29, Romans 10:9-10)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal
Agreed. Maybe we should prohibit televised sports, so that the games could return to their natural form and be played for the enjoyment of the players and fans in the stands, as opposed to inebriated viewers in bars or on their couches at home.

All those NFL tv fans woould be forced to adopt local college or high school teams -- and they would find out that they enjoy it a lot more, as being at the game always beats the couch.

26 posted on 06/10/2014 6:28:11 AM PDT by sphinx
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To: sphinx
I shared that view for many years. I've now watched enough youth soccer to have developed a bit of an appreciation for the game. That said, soccer has one major barrier to overcome before making it big in the U.S., and that is television. Soccer does not lend itself to a television commerical every 38.4 seconds. Unless soccer starts allowing a tv timeout on every throw-in, it will never get a big time tv contract, and it will remain a small budget game.

Many sports are greatly improved by a DVR. Most American sports because it allows me to skip the commercials (and long huddles in football). Soccer is improved because it is more interesting at 2x speed.

27 posted on 06/10/2014 6:29:02 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Republican amnesty supporters don't care whether their own homes are called mansions or haciendas.)
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To: C19fan

Soccer? Soccer? What the heck is soccer? Is that the event where scantily clad smaller men run all over a field and do nothing?


28 posted on 06/10/2014 6:29:25 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

No, that’s track, where scantily clad men run in circles.


29 posted on 06/10/2014 6:31:05 AM PDT by sphinx
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To: C19fan
or even, for inexplicable reasons, that 90% of soccer fans in the U.S. seem to root for Arsenal.

Ewwww, ARSEnull sucks.

30 posted on 06/10/2014 6:31:22 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

Dear Mr. Clegg, have you read, “Among the Thugs”? It’s a great book about a reporter who gets entrenched with Manchester United thugs. It’s replete with racism and violence. You premier league fans are so cultured.


31 posted on 06/10/2014 6:37:39 AM PDT by VA_Gentleman ("Poor Al Gore. Global warming completely debunked via the very internet you invented." -Jon Stewart)
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To: driftdiver; C19fan

Being from a smaller soccer country, yet once won the European Cup winning 2 - 0 over World Cup Champion Germany, that country is fostering and exporting players all over Europe. Now observed how Soccer-Moms here take children to play soccer, even girls that was a NO-NO when I grew up, I predict USA will be a major international force in the next 25 years. It takes a least a 1/4 of a Century to make it to the top. At that time NFL will be down the line of popularity. Hope I will live long enough to see it come through!!!


32 posted on 06/10/2014 6:38:12 AM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: RayChuang88
If you think die-hard SEC college football fans are bad, just wait till you deal with the ultra fans of soccer teams in Europe. Those ultra fans make the drunken NFL fans in the upper deck of stadiums look positively civilized in comparison.

Not so bad now in England, but it's really bad in Central and Eastern Europe.

33 posted on 06/10/2014 6:40:33 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: C19fan; All

Well, ever since I saw someone on some team give a fantastic shoulder hit on some player from another team and the ref gave the hitter a card (not sure if it was hallmark) for the hit, which I thought was a great hit I have never watched another “sissy ball game” as I have affectionately come to refer to soccer — Just isn’t violent enough for me. Soccer = Hitting is penalized.

Sorry, give me lots of violent hitting, trash talking, and fighting otherwise known as the National Football League and I’m happy. Football = Hitting is cheered!


34 posted on 06/10/2014 6:41:36 AM PDT by areukiddingme1 (areukiddingme1 is a synonym for a Retired U.S. Navy Chief Petty Officer and tired of liberal BS.))
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To: driftdiver

Very strange article.

Complains about Americans imitating European soccer fans, and then complains when they don’t imitate them precisely.


35 posted on 06/10/2014 6:42:12 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Mich Patriot

I would say, because you don’t need to be 300 pounds body weight to make it in soccer and the violating body attacks, I think Soccer Moms prefer Soccer over American Football for security of their children, see my previous post!!!


36 posted on 06/10/2014 6:42:14 AM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: VA_Gentleman

There was a good series, the episodes should be on YouTube, called “The Real Football Factories”.


37 posted on 06/10/2014 6:42:32 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: C19fan

somebody should hand that guy tweezers and a mirror, so he can get that hair out of his...


38 posted on 06/10/2014 6:42:55 AM PDT by D Rider (Don't give sharp objects to small children)
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To: areukiddingme1

If you watch highlights of the games in the 70s, a lot of stuff that would get a straight red today went on without so much as a foul being given, it was a pretty rough game back then.


39 posted on 06/10/2014 6:44:32 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dead

You do know where the thecrete pronunthation comes from, don’t you?

One of the Spanish kings had a thpeech impediment. The arithtocrathy thtarted imitating him as a way of thucking up, and it gradually worked its way down into thociety.

Very thtrange.


40 posted on 06/10/2014 6:44:53 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: C19fan
This guy nails it:

"It's not that they all have the same stories about study-abroad trips to Europe, or that they get wildly excited about the simplest saves...My biggest gripe is that all of this feels like an elaborate affectation."

It IS contrived. Watch any Seattle Sounders (among others) game and see all the creative originality of a mother's circle arranged playdate from these hipster hools.

"The whole thing seemed to be less an expression of genuine fandom and more like an elaborate piece of performance art."

Nothing is real anymore; especially if the experience can be wrapped up in a hashtag.

41 posted on 06/10/2014 6:47:30 AM PDT by Sam's Army
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To: Sherman Logan

I say be like the British, they obstinately refuse to pronounce a foreign loan word in any manner other than the obvious way to do so in English. Claret and valet are CLAR-ett and VAL-ett.


42 posted on 06/10/2014 6:50:49 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: P-Marlowe

At least with golf you have the nice green scenery.


43 posted on 06/10/2014 6:53:13 AM PDT by csvset
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To: Sam's Army

I agree with the contrived aspect.

On the other hand, I don’t want to see the MLS become like the NASL, which tried to make going to a soccer game like going to an NFL game, complete with cheerleaders.


44 posted on 06/10/2014 6:54:09 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
"On the other hand, I don’t want to see the MLS become like the NASL,

I stopped watching the MLS in 2001 when they contracted two teams (including my then-beloved Tampa Bay Mutiny) and then had the audacity to not officially recognize them in players profiles the following season when they went with other teams. Along with stating the reduction in teams meant the remaining players in the league would therefore be "better".

I wonder with all their recent expansion what the spin is now?

45 posted on 06/10/2014 6:59:59 AM PDT by Sam's Army
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To: RegulatorCountry

I take a somewhat more nuanced approach.

Foreign words should be pronounced as closely as possible to the way they’re pronounced in the foreign language.

But at some point, as it is used more and more frequently, a word stops being foreign and becomes an English word. At that point it should be pronounced as an English word, which it now is.

Used to hang out in southern MO. Little town there named after Simon de Bolivar, the Liberator of South America.

It’s pronounced Bolliver, which is perfectly logical in English. To my mind, insisting on pronouncing it BO-lee-var is precious and patronizing.

Also used to live in CO on Florida Road, pronounced FLO-ree-da. Now I live in the state of Florida, pronounced in the more usual American way.

The pretentious twits are also utterly inconsistent. They’ll talk about Torino and Milano, but not Roma. And they’ll never use Munchen.


46 posted on 06/10/2014 7:00:06 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: P-Marlowe

Correct. A lot movement but not much action. Very similar to hockey. Tried to watch the Kings games last night. Lost interest after about four minutes.


47 posted on 06/10/2014 7:01:12 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Mich Patriot

Its relatively cheap, without much equipment.

Moms are terrified that their kids might get hurt in sports, and soccer seems like the safest choice.

Its relatively easy to find parents to coach...at the little league level, there is absolutely no strategy, so the coach just makes sure the refreshments are in order.

Even a kid with poor athletic abilities will not stand out as too bad, in a soccer game (compared to being at bat in baseball, for example).

I grew up playing ‘backyard soccer’...from my earliest memory, we played it (this was the 1970s). Later in life I discovered that our neighbor helped popularize soccer in the southeast (even has a Wikipedia entry). His son played professionally in an indoor league. My brother actually got a soccer scholarship to college. So I’m very acquainted with the sport.

But there’s not much more boring on this planet than watching a soccer game - I wholeheartedly agree with that. And, I quit playing as I got older, when you had to have a certain ‘douche factor’ to be a soccer player - wearing nylon shorty shorts to school, playing hacky sack all the time, etc.

But I did play indoor soccer almost daily throughout high school. Its a lot faster and more exciting. Really just a poor man’s version of hockey. I still wouldn’t watch that, but it was fun to play.


48 posted on 06/10/2014 7:04:51 AM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: C19fan

Written by eurotrash to bash the USA.

He dislikes strategy of the game

He only likes going to a bar so he can drink (get drunk?) watching a game?

Pathetic.

In any US sport the goal is not just “to play” but to get better. In the USA we say “see you next year” this eurotrash says “burrrrrrrb, I’ll have another pint.”


49 posted on 06/10/2014 7:12:29 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Sherman Logan

One of the best old neighborhoods in a city near where I grew up is Buena Vista. BYOO-na VISS-ta. There’s an entire published book dedicated to the correct mispronunciation of Carolina place names.

There’s a certain affected insecurity surrounding a prissy insistence upon absolutely perfect accent and pronunciation of foreign words, particularly present on network news, that is actually worse than butchering foreign words out of ignorance, imho.


50 posted on 06/10/2014 7:13:45 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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