Skip to comments.The Problem With American Soccer Fans
Posted on 06/10/2014 5:50:15 AM PDT by C19fan
Growing up as a soccer fan in England, I've witnessed my fair share of horrors. I've seen shocking acts of violence, overheard hundreds of abusive chants and watched Pelé retire to sell erectile dysfunction pills.
Over the years, I've been angered, saddened and ashamed by these things. But through it all, my love for soccer remained undimmed.
But lately, I've discovered there's a new scourge on my beloved game that I simply cannot tolerate: Americans.
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Wow...glad you clarified that.
'Cause, you know...soccer sucks.
But, for your sake, I hope all 22 soccer fans in America behave themselves.
Sort of funny that these Soccerphiles have been telling us Yanks what supposedly a great game it is. Now there is a decent audience for say English Premier League games and quite naturally Yanks adopt what they see on TV then this wanker starts complaining.
American... Soccer Fans.
I’ve never watched a soccer game in my life. It’s maybe one step above Golf on the boring as heck scale.
Forget soccer. It’s RUGBY.
He thinks soccer fans are cultured.
Yeah, thats why they throw toilets from the stands and kill people in Brazil.
American soccer fans? Who knew?
The soccerfacation of America is the last straw causing our downfall.
One to add to the daily soccer “caucus” thread.
I agree with most of the points the author makes about the subset of Americans who basically are soccer “fans” as some kind of hipster counter-culture movement. But as a more typically American fan of soccer, I will still use terms like “field” and “pitch” interchangeably, and I will refer to my kids’ soccer uniforms as having a home and away “kit”, but I don’t think I’m the type of “fan” being complained about here.
Agreed. I watched my first Rugby game in Ireland about three years and found a sport that interests me!
The Guinness was good too!!
The article made the exact opposite point. He said that soccer is a working class sport in the rest of the world, but these poseur American fans (with their same "study abroad stories") think it makes them classy and cultured.
He's making fun of the hipster wanna be euroweenie douches you'll find in Boston and NYC and Ivy League bars.
I know a bunch of these goofballs. The type that pronounce Barcelona "Barthelona" because they've been there and know the secret pronunciation.
I call them "Soccer Moms."
I dunno, I had trouble reading much of the article and I did try.
I can’t believe how popular it’s getting here in America. The only explanations I can come up with are A) it’s rather cheap to participate...shoes, shorts, shirt, maybe pads, and B) part of the pussification of America...not as dangerous as football or hockey.
I shared that view for many years. I've now watched enough youth soccer to have developed a bit of an appreciation for the game. That said, soccer has one major barrier to overcome before making it big in the U.S., and that is television. Soccer does not lend itself to a television commerical every 38.4 seconds. Unless soccer starts allowing a tv timeout on every throw-in, it will never get a big time tv contract, and it will remain a small budget game.
I hope that soccer does not compromise. U.S. basketball and football have turned themselves into grotesque parodies of the game that used to be played to accommodate television. At least with soccer, you still get to watch an uninterrupted game, as opposed to a steady parade of commercial messages with a few athletic highlights thrown in during the breaks.
Soccer fandom in America is about affectation, not appreciation.
I played it in grammar school and in high school.
It's fun, it's a good workout, and there is more of tactics and strategy to it than appears on first glance.
In America it is still basically a pick-up game for amateurs.
And I find it difficult to obsess over English Premier League play because I'm not English.
Well, ethnically I am, but you understand my point.
There are American soccer fans? Why?
You and me both. He can’t seem to stay on point, much less make a point.
I suppose he’s bothered that American soccer fans have become exactly like the drunken oxen that Euro soccer fans have always been. I’ll never forget reading about how one Italian fanatic reacted to his favorite soccer player being transferred to another Italian rival team—throwing himself in front of a train.
I love the game, but the fans ruin it.
I hear 'ya. The author lost me when he started complaining about Americans talking about PK's and outside defenders. Perfectly good American contributions to soccer lingo, IMHO, and clearer in meaning than his preferred usages. It was a queer complaint from someone who started out criticizing the eurotwit wannabes who mindlessly copy everything european.
The article was more interesting than watching soccer anyway. By a long shot.
“That said, soccer has one major barrier to overcome before making it big in the U.S., and that is television. Soccer does not lend itself to a television commerical every 38.4 seconds. Unless soccer starts allowing a tv timeout on every throw-in, it will never get a big time tv contract, and it will remain a small budget game.”
That’s one of the only things that keep me watching the game. If it ever became a snore like the NFL or MLB then I suppose I’ll never watch another full game again, just like I can’t stomach 4 hours of “football” and beer commercials.
All those NFL tv fans woould be forced to adopt local college or high school teams -- and they would find out that they enjoy it a lot more, as being at the game always beats the couch.
Many sports are greatly improved by a DVR. Most American sports because it allows me to skip the commercials (and long huddles in football). Soccer is improved because it is more interesting at 2x speed.
Soccer? Soccer? What the heck is soccer? Is that the event where scantily clad smaller men run all over a field and do nothing?
No, that’s track, where scantily clad men run in circles.
Ewwww, ARSEnull sucks.
Dear Mr. Clegg, have you read, “Among the Thugs”? It’s a great book about a reporter who gets entrenched with Manchester United thugs. It’s replete with racism and violence. You premier league fans are so cultured.
Being from a smaller soccer country, yet once won the European Cup winning 2 - 0 over World Cup Champion Germany, that country is fostering and exporting players all over Europe. Now observed how Soccer-Moms here take children to play soccer, even girls that was a NO-NO when I grew up, I predict USA will be a major international force in the next 25 years. It takes a least a 1/4 of a Century to make it to the top. At that time NFL will be down the line of popularity. Hope I will live long enough to see it come through!!!
Not so bad now in England, but it's really bad in Central and Eastern Europe.
Well, ever since I saw someone on some team give a fantastic shoulder hit on some player from another team and the ref gave the hitter a card (not sure if it was hallmark) for the hit, which I thought was a great hit I have never watched another “sissy ball game” as I have affectionately come to refer to soccer — Just isn’t violent enough for me. Soccer = Hitting is penalized.
Sorry, give me lots of violent hitting, trash talking, and fighting otherwise known as the National Football League and I’m happy. Football = Hitting is cheered!
Very strange article.
Complains about Americans imitating European soccer fans, and then complains when they don’t imitate them precisely.
I would say, because you don’t need to be 300 pounds body weight to make it in soccer and the violating body attacks, I think Soccer Moms prefer Soccer over American Football for security of their children, see my previous post!!!
There was a good series, the episodes should be on YouTube, called “The Real Football Factories”.
somebody should hand that guy tweezers and a mirror, so he can get that hair out of his...
If you watch highlights of the games in the 70s, a lot of stuff that would get a straight red today went on without so much as a foul being given, it was a pretty rough game back then.
You do know where the thecrete pronunthation comes from, don’t you?
One of the Spanish kings had a thpeech impediment. The arithtocrathy thtarted imitating him as a way of thucking up, and it gradually worked its way down into thociety.
"It's not that they all have the same stories about study-abroad trips to Europe, or that they get wildly excited about the simplest saves...My biggest gripe is that all of this feels like an elaborate affectation."
It IS contrived. Watch any Seattle Sounders (among others) game and see all the creative originality of a mother's circle arranged playdate from these hipster hools.
"The whole thing seemed to be less an expression of genuine fandom and more like an elaborate piece of performance art."
Nothing is real anymore; especially if the experience can be wrapped up in a hashtag.
I say be like the British, they obstinately refuse to pronounce a foreign loan word in any manner other than the obvious way to do so in English. Claret and valet are CLAR-ett and VAL-ett.
At least with golf you have the nice green scenery.
I agree with the contrived aspect.
On the other hand, I don’t want to see the MLS become like the NASL, which tried to make going to a soccer game like going to an NFL game, complete with cheerleaders.
I stopped watching the MLS in 2001 when they contracted two teams (including my then-beloved Tampa Bay Mutiny) and then had the audacity to not officially recognize them in players profiles the following season when they went with other teams. Along with stating the reduction in teams meant the remaining players in the league would therefore be "better".
I wonder with all their recent expansion what the spin is now?
I take a somewhat more nuanced approach.
Foreign words should be pronounced as closely as possible to the way they’re pronounced in the foreign language.
But at some point, as it is used more and more frequently, a word stops being foreign and becomes an English word. At that point it should be pronounced as an English word, which it now is.
Used to hang out in southern MO. Little town there named after Simon de Bolivar, the Liberator of South America.
It’s pronounced Bolliver, which is perfectly logical in English. To my mind, insisting on pronouncing it BO-lee-var is precious and patronizing.
Also used to live in CO on Florida Road, pronounced FLO-ree-da. Now I live in the state of Florida, pronounced in the more usual American way.
The pretentious twits are also utterly inconsistent. They’ll talk about Torino and Milano, but not Roma. And they’ll never use Munchen.
Correct. A lot movement but not much action. Very similar to hockey. Tried to watch the Kings games last night. Lost interest after about four minutes.
Its relatively cheap, without much equipment.
Moms are terrified that their kids might get hurt in sports, and soccer seems like the safest choice.
Its relatively easy to find parents to coach...at the little league level, there is absolutely no strategy, so the coach just makes sure the refreshments are in order.
Even a kid with poor athletic abilities will not stand out as too bad, in a soccer game (compared to being at bat in baseball, for example).
I grew up playing ‘backyard soccer’...from my earliest memory, we played it (this was the 1970s). Later in life I discovered that our neighbor helped popularize soccer in the southeast (even has a Wikipedia entry). His son played professionally in an indoor league. My brother actually got a soccer scholarship to college. So I’m very acquainted with the sport.
But there’s not much more boring on this planet than watching a soccer game - I wholeheartedly agree with that. And, I quit playing as I got older, when you had to have a certain ‘douche factor’ to be a soccer player - wearing nylon shorty shorts to school, playing hacky sack all the time, etc.
But I did play indoor soccer almost daily throughout high school. Its a lot faster and more exciting. Really just a poor man’s version of hockey. I still wouldn’t watch that, but it was fun to play.
Written by eurotrash to bash the USA.
He dislikes strategy of the game
He only likes going to a bar so he can drink (get drunk?) watching a game?
In any US sport the goal is not just “to play” but to get better. In the USA we say “see you next year” this eurotrash says “burrrrrrrb, I’ll have another pint.”
One of the best old neighborhoods in a city near where I grew up is Buena Vista. BYOO-na VISS-ta. There’s an entire published book dedicated to the correct mispronunciation of Carolina place names.
There’s a certain affected insecurity surrounding a prissy insistence upon absolutely perfect accent and pronunciation of foreign words, particularly present on network news, that is actually worse than butchering foreign words out of ignorance, imho.