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Cosmos Finale Takes One Last Shot - "Delusion that We Have Some Privileged Position in the Universe"
Evolution News and Views ^ | June 10, 2014 | Casey Luskin

Posted on 06/11/2014 11:55:22 AM PDT by Heartlander

Cosmos Finale Takes One Last Shot at the "Delusion that We Have Some Privileged Position in the Universe"

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As David noted yesterday, the final episode of Cosmos aired Sunday night. It was a fitting end, in keeping with what we've seen already in the series. Much of it covered uncontroversial science, such as how cosmic rays were discovered, or why cosmology developed concepts like dark matter (to help explain why stars orbit so quickly at the edge of their galaxies) and dark energy (to help explain why the universe continues to expand despite all the matter it contains).

Neil deGrasse Tyson rightly acknowledged that ideas about dark matter and dark energy are really a "code word for our ignorance." A NASA website puts it this way:

What is Dark Energy? More is unknown than is known. We know how much dark energy there is because we know how it affects the Universe's expansion. Other than that, it is a complete mystery. ... What is Dark Matter? ... We are much more certain what dark matter is not than we are what it is.

Alongside such material was the customary promotion of scientism and materialism, and especially the Copernican Principle -- the idea that the universe was not designed, and that we in no sense have a privileged existence within it.

Sunday night's episode thus included a lengthy segment quoting Carl Sagan from the original Cosmos series giving his famous pale blue dot monologue. Sagan called Earth a "mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam," and "a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark." The monologue promotes the materialistic view that "In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves." But perhaps the most telling Sagan quote replayed on Sunday night cited:

the delusion that we have some privileged position in the universe are challenged by this point of pail light.
That comment from Sagan, of course, played an important role in instigating a project by Guillermo Gonzalez and Jay Richards -- their book The Privileged Planet, which investigated whether Earth does have a privileged position. The new Cosmos entirely ignores the actual debate over whether Earth's position is "privileged," and promotes a straw man caricature instead. It goes like this: If you think that Earth is a privileged planet, then you must think our planet is literally at the center of the universe, and you must think you have all the answers and there's no reason to engage in further investigation.

Tyson asks us to conduct a "thought experiment" where we consider all the stars with planets in the galaxy:

Suppose on one of them there lives an intelligent species. One of the ten million life forms on that planet. And there's a subgroup of that species who believe that they have it all figured out. Their world is the center of the universe. A universe made for them. And that they know everything they need to know about it. Their knowledge is complete. How seriously would you take their claim?
He continues, stating that "our ancestors believed that the universe was made for them" and that "the architecture of our language, myths, and dreams comes from that prescientific age."

Yet again, Cosmos is whitewashing history. The notion that the universe was "made for" us or that we have a special place in it isn't just some relic of the "prescientific age." On the contrary, that view was held by the founders of modern science, and it continues to be taken seriously by influential scientists today. These scientists certainly don't claim we "have it all figured out," they don't think the Earth is literally at "the center of the universe," and they certainly don't think "they know everything they need to know" or that "their knowledge is complete."

Cosmos is also flat wrong in suggesting that such ideas are scientific unfruitful. As I mentioned, belief in a designed universe helped give rise to modern science. In contrast, it is the Copernican Principle promoted by Cosmos that has led to failed scientific predictions. In Chapters 12 and 13 of The Privileged Planet, Gonzalez and Richards identify eight bad predictions stemming from Sagan's view:

  1. Earth, while it has a number of life-permitting properties, isn't exceptionally suited for life in our Solar System. Other planets in the Solar System probably harbor life as well.
  2. Our Sun is a fairly ordinary and typical star.
  3. Our Solar System is typical; we should expect other Solar Systems to mirror our own.
  4. Even if our Solar System is not typical, there are lots of planetary configurations that are consistent with the presence of biological organisms. Variables like the number and types of planets and moons are mainly contingencies that have little to do with the existence of life in a planetary system.
  5. Our Solar System's location in the Milky Way is relatively unimportant.
  6. Our galaxy is not particularly exceptional or important. Life could just as easily exist in old, small, elliptical, and irregular galaxies.
  7. The universe is infinite in space and matter and eternal in time.
  8. The laws of physics are not specially arranged for the existence of complex or intelligent life.

Gonzalez and Richards find that when we look at the scientific evidence, weighing it in a scale with these predictions, we find that:

actually may have slowed the progress of science, by leading astronomers to underestimate the importance for life of seemingly trivial details like comets, asteroids, moons, and outlying planets. Similarly, it may have discouraged astronomers from giving the concept of our Solar System's habitability zone due credit. (p. 256)
To appreciate how Sagan's viewpoint has hindered scientific discovery, consider what Sagan wrote in the book, Cosmos, published a few years after the original 1980 Cosmos series aired. Here's how he articulated the Copernican Principle:
We live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost between two spiral arms in the outskirts of a galaxy which is a member of a sparse cluster of galaxies, tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe. (Carl Sagan, Cosmos (New York: Ballantine, 1985), 159)
In reality, nothing could be further from the truth. Our Milky Way galaxy is flat and disk-shaped with spiral arms. At its center is a giant black hole that rips apart any star system that gets too close. The area around the galactic core is densely packed with stars and filled with intense radiation that would destroy Earth's atmosphere and any life. The center of the galaxy is clearly not a desirable location.

On the other hand, a position too far from the center would also be inhospitable to life because the outskirts of the galaxy lack sufficient heavy elements necessary for complex life. The optimal location for life within our galaxy is a narrow band in the middle that escapes the large zones of deadly radiation at the core, yet contains the necessary elements. This region, called the galactic habitable zone, is precisely where our solar system resides.

The very concept of the galactic habitable zone was developed in part by Guillermo Gonzalez. It supports his reasoned conviction that the cosmos was designed, and that Earth occupies a privileged position within it. That's good science.

Our distance from the center and our position between the galactic arms are also important. Were our solar system located inside the arms, extreme radiation from supernovae and "star nurseries" would again be a problem for life. Contrary to Dr. Sagan's belief that we are "lost between two spiral arms," we are placed exactly where a life-friendly solar system needs to be.

This diagram shows a rough approximation of the galactic habitable zone:


Earth's position in the galaxy is privileged in other ways, too. Our location isn't just optimal for life; it also provides an ideal position to view and learn about the universe. Spiral arms are full of dust and light that, much like city lights and clouds, would obscure astronomical observation. Between the spiral arms, our planet has a clear view of not just the galaxy but much of the universe. This diagram shows an approximation of the ideal location for astronomical observations in the galaxy:


Though these are rough diagrams, the zones in the galaxy that are optimal for habitability and for astronomical observation match very closely. Despite all of Sagan's belittling remarks about our position in the galaxy, were it not for our privileged location, none of us -- including Sagan -- would have existed, much less would we be able to study the stars.

One Final Look at Cosmos's Metaphysical Bias

In the final episode, Tyson says: "That's one of the things I love about science. We don't have to pretend we have all the answers." Yet over the course of 13 episodes, Cosmos has repeatedly sought to give answers to the greatest metaphysical questions facing mankind.

You don't have to take my word for it. The creators of Cosmos have been admirably clear about their agenda.

In an interview with Bill Moyers, Tyson admitted that Cosmos has larger, non-scientific goals, stating that we must "think of Cosmos not as a documentary about science," but rather about "why science matters" and why "science is an enterprise that should be cherished as an activity of the free human mind." He referred to the show's hoped-for impact on "these states of mind that you carry with you for the rest of your life." And what are those "states of mind"? When asked by Moyers whether faith and reason are compatible, he answered, "I don't think they're reconcilable," and later stated: "God is an ever-receding pocket of scientific ignorance."

Executive producer Seth MacFarlane said in an interview with Esquire: "There have to be people who are vocal about the advancement of knowledge over faith."

Executive producer Brannon Braga is creator of numerous Star Trek episodes. There's nothing wrong with that -- in fact I'm a big fan of his work. Yet during a talk at an International Atheist Conference in 2006, Braga described his involvement in Star Trek as creating "atheist mythology." He stated his "conviction that religion sucks, isn't science great, and how the hell can we get the other 95% of the population to come to their senses?" He even said Star Trek provides a "template for a world" where "religion has been vanquished, and reason drives our hearts" -- a future he says he "longs for."

Cosmos appears to be part of his attempt to achieve these goals. He said in an interview that the new series aims to combat "dark forces of irrational thinking," adding that: "Religion doesn't own awe and mystery. Science does it better."

This really is the essential message of Cosmos: religion leads into "darkness," whereas only science offers truth. Such scientism is a corollary of Sagan's view that the "The cosmos is all that is," and that Earth is "an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost between two spiral arms in the outskirts of a galaxy which is a member of a sparse cluster of galaxies, tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe." According to Cosmos, only by embracing these truths can we escape the confines of ignorance that entrap us.

However, every premise of this ideology is wrong:

Tyson is right to say that, "Pretending to know everything closes the door to finding out what's really there." But throughout this series, Cosmos has exemplified exactly the sort of complaisance that its host condemns. There is a genuine scientific controversy going on about materialism, but Cosmos has not in any way sought to objectively investigate the positions in that debate.

It has given the appearance of investigation, but in fact the series has consistently whitewashed both the scientific and the historical evidence, evidence that shows materialism to be a false picture of reality. That's too bad. It's a disservice to science, and to the program's intended audience. But frankly what else would you expect from a team of celebrity atheists, handed millions of dollars to promote their views on national television?


TOPICS: Education; Religion; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: anthropicprinciple; cosmos; neildegrassetyson

1 posted on 06/11/2014 11:55:22 AM PDT by Heartlander
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To: Heartlander

A stupid series that I only watched Episode 1 for a few minutes to tell me all I needed to know.

It will go down in the dustbin of history like AlGore.


2 posted on 06/11/2014 12:11:07 PM PDT by bestintxas (Every time a RINO bites the dust a founding father gets his wings)
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To: Heartlander

I got annoyed when they started blaming Venus’s climate on CO2, if this were the case mars should be hotter than earth...

Venus is hot because of the lack of plate tectonics and lack of magnetic field which caused all the water to evaporate, and the hydrogen from the water to get stripped away by solar wind...

The only decent environmental story in the whole cosmos series was the one about the lead in the gasoline, which was actually a problem, but then they poisoned that story by trying to haphazardly equate it to the CO2 levels...

Lead is not a natural occurring substance in the air at the amounts it was when we started leading gasoline, CO2 has been around since basically forever and won’t kill a darn thing unless it is in HUGE quantities...

They also talked about earth’s climate like it was some fragile teeter totter, that if you pushed in one direction too far it would spiral out of control.... We have a surface covered by 75% water this acts a natural buffer to absorb a LOT of variations, that and they never seemed to take into the account of all the natural fires humans actually prevent that put CO2 into the air...

sloppy agenda based science...


3 posted on 06/11/2014 12:11:31 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: Heartlander
Sunday night's episode thus included a lengthy segment quoting Carl Sagan from the original Cosmos series giving his famous pale blue dot monologue. Sagan called Earth a "mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam," and "a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark." The monologue promotes the materialistic view that "In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves." But perhaps the most telling Sagan quote replayed on Sunday night cited: "the delusion that we have some privileged position in the universe are challenged by this point of pail light."
The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” -- Psalm 14:1

4 posted on 06/11/2014 12:12:11 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Heartlander
Executive producer Brannon Braga is creator of numerous Star Trek episodes. There's nothing wrong with that -- in fact I'm a big fan of his work. Yet during a talk at an International Atheist Conference in 2006, Braga described his involvement in Star Trek as creating "atheist mythology." He stated his "conviction that religion sucks, isn't science great, and how the hell can we get the other 95% of the population to come to their senses?" He even said Star Trek provides a "template for a world" where "religion has been vanquished, and reason drives our hearts" -- a future he says he "longs for."

Communists tried that in real life. It didn't work out so well.

5 posted on 06/11/2014 12:12:35 PM PDT by dragonblustar ( Psalm 103, Psalm 37:7, Ephesians 6:12)
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To: Heartlander

The series lost me with all the global warming crap.


6 posted on 06/11/2014 12:13:44 PM PDT by cusp
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To: Heartlander

I don’t get the controversy. When Dante described his ascent into the heavens toward God, he looks back and sees how puny and insignificant the Earth is and smiles.

This was in the 1300s.

Methinks some scientist types ought to read more Christian literature.


7 posted on 06/11/2014 12:14:03 PM PDT by Claud
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To: Heartlander

I had high hopes for this series, but I only made it one episode and I think 5 minutes of the next. Too much liberal/anti-religion BS for me. I remember liking the original Carl Sagan one when I was a kid.


8 posted on 06/11/2014 12:15:09 PM PDT by wattsgnu
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To: Heartlander

Their own lives and remarks contradict their suppositions.


9 posted on 06/11/2014 12:15:11 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: dragonblustar
France tried it as well:
…The first great atheist uprising was the French Revolution, which sought to dethrone God with godless “Reason” and sought to replace the Holy Trinity with the atheist trinity of liberté, egalité et fraternité. The man who is traditionally attributed with coining this triune revolutionary war-cry, which would later be officially adopted as the motto of the French Republic, was Antoine-Francois Momoro, a rabidly anti-Christian radical who advocated the eradication of religion. He played an active and bloodthirsty role in the crushing of the Catholic peasants of the Vendée and was a key figure in the notorious Cult of Reason, an anthropocentric alternative to religion, which effectively enthroned self-worshipping Man as the Lord of the “enlightened” cosmos. In 1793, Momoro supervised the nationally celebrated Fête de la Raison (Festival of Reason) in which his own wife was dressed and paraded as the Goddess of Reason, surrounded by cavorting and costumed women. In a wild and licentious liturgical dance, the Goddess of Reason processed down the aisle of Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris, surrounded by her female entourage, to a newly-installed altar to Liberty, the Christian altar having been desecrated and removed. All across France, Christian churches were desecrated and re-established as Temples of Reason.

The Cult of Reason metamorphosed into the Reign of Terror in which the streets of Paris literally ran red with the blood of its victims. The Goddess of Reason made way for Madame Guillotine who was omnivorous in her bloodlustful appetite, devouring Christians and atheists alike.
Guillotine, Gulag and Gas Chamber: The Glorious Gifts of Atheism to Humanity


10 posted on 06/11/2014 12:22:09 PM PDT by Heartlander (We are all Rodeo Clowns now!)
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To: Heartlander

I turned on the first episode and there was Obama. Immediately turned it off and haven’t seen a second since.


11 posted on 06/11/2014 12:25:46 PM PDT by Dahoser (Separation of church and state? No, we need separation of media and state.)
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To: Claud; All

Exactly. I don’t find the concept of a puny earth insulting at all. Paradoxically such a realization led me to belief in God.

After all, since the universe is so vast, if one believes humanity is merely some evolutionary accident, it takes a great amount of hubris indeed to believe one’s life has any significant meaning at all.

There is no other choice when faced with the reality of creation and the reality of my own human desire: it’s either accept God is real or behave as an animal. I don’t want to be an animal (that’s just something real about me, that’s a fact, about me), so there must be a God.


12 posted on 06/11/2014 12:28:16 PM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: GraceG
Tyson is not a genius he's a sellout and an idiot. I have been tweeting him once a week asking him to find the Hot Spot. But with over a million followers he will never read it.

No smoking hot spot

1. The greenhouse signature is missing. We have been looking and measuring for years, and cannot find it.

Each possible cause of global warming has a different pattern of where in the planet the warming occurs first and the most. The signature of an increased greenhouse effect is a hot spot about 10km up in the atmosphere over the tropics. We have been measuring the atmosphere for decades using radiosondes: weather balloons with thermometers that radio back the temperature as the balloon ascends through the atmosphere. They show no hot spot. Whatsoever.

If there is no hot spot then an increased greenhouse effect is not the cause of global warming. So we know for sure that carbon emissions are not a significant cause of the global warming. If we had found the greenhouse signature then I would be an alarmist again.

He is also full of crap about the heat absorbing properties of CO2. That has been thoroughly debunked and it has been shown beyond doubt that most radiant heat is lost back into space. He must have told 15 baldfaced lies on last week's show.

13 posted on 06/11/2014 12:31:18 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" means something different to 0bama.)
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To: Heartlander

“The fool has said in his heart, “There is no God.”” - Psalm 14:1


14 posted on 06/11/2014 12:40:44 PM PDT by Dr. Thorne ("How long, O Lord, holy and true?" - Rev. 6:10)
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To: Heartlander
the delusion that we have some privileged position in the universe are challenged by this point of pail light.

Did Cosmos ever explain what a "pail light" is?

-PJ

15 posted on 06/11/2014 12:46:22 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Heartlander

16 posted on 06/11/2014 12:52:36 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: wattsgnu
I remember liking the original Carl Sagan one when I was a kid.

I thought the original series was pretty even-handed until the final episode, which was very heavy on leftist politics as somehow being "scientific". If anybody connected with the show admitted to studying philosophy or number theory, they would have admitted that their statements required them to "step outside" their cosmos to make observations of what would be unknowable within the system, itself. The same thing applies to faith, although it's generally more openly admitted there.

So we all enjoy a privileged position in the universe, because we can logically place ourselves outside of that universe to enable us to talk and speculate, right or wrong. Our biggest problem is that we're a single point on an otherwise empty piece of graph paper. We're only now developing the tools to start looking for other candidates that might go on that graph. Unless we get really lucky, we'll have to plod along building new kinds of observatories, and re-interpreting old data.

But we're already in a privileged position in that vast, uncaring universe. We're just looking for other locations that might have privileged observers looking for us. Perhaps we're on someone else's photographic plate, with hints of our existence there for centuries, but nobody has found the needle in a particular haystack, yet.

17 posted on 06/11/2014 1:08:17 PM PDT by 300winmag (Whatever CAN go wrong has already happened. We just don't know about it yet.)
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To: TigersEye
[ He is also full of crap about the heat absorbing properties of CO2. That has been thoroughly debunked and it has been shown beyond doubt that most radiant heat is lost back into space. He must have told 15 baldfaced lies on last week's show. ] All molecules absorb kinetic heat energy and then re-release it... It is like these morons think that CO2 absorbs heat at every angle to the molecule and then releases it back straight back downward.... if this were the case you could build an awesomely efficient solar collection device made out of a clear glass column filled with CO2 and with a heat collector at the bottom of it... No to mention the fact water vapor which is variable in percent of the atmosphere: per wiki The percentage water vapor in surface air varies from .01% at -42℃ (-44℉)[23] to 4.24% when the dew point is 30℃ (86℉). So with water vapour percentage swinging all over the place even if it is 1/10th the greenhouse gas of CO2 should prove to be catastrophic according to AGW modeling people... And they ignored the "city effect", you have these cities built with large expanses of concrete and asphalt absorbing heat during the day and releasing it at night in giant columns of rising warm air over cities and urban areas, that has GOT to affect the Jet Stream FAR more than a fractional increase in CO2...
18 posted on 06/11/2014 1:50:36 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: Heartlander

Thank you for this thread... the additional information you provide in some of the subsequent posts is equally enlightening.

For those that question “God’s” involvement in the universe...

1) the odds of life happening in the universe by random chance. (1-10/236 power) http://ontherightside.wordpress.com/articles/the-odds-against-life/

2) the odds of the earth being in the right place in the right solar system, in the right place in the galaxy, the right distance from the right star, with a celestial body the right distance to provide the right tides and wind speeds to support life... (and 120 other necessary parameters 1-10/139 power) http://www.mankinds-last-hope.org/probabilityofearth.html

3) the odds of Jesus (or any one) fulfilling 300+ Old Testament prophecies in His lifetime. (1-10/157th power) http://voices.yahoo.com/what-odds-jesus-700-plus-prophecies-fulfillment-5064980.html


19 posted on 06/11/2014 2:06:44 PM PDT by overdog2
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To: Heartlander

Thank you for pointing that out. I almost forgot about that.


20 posted on 06/11/2014 2:08:37 PM PDT by dragonblustar ( Psalm 103, Psalm 37:7, Ephesians 6:12)
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To: GraceG
[ He is also full of crap about the heat absorbing properties of CO2. That has been thoroughly debunked and it has been shown beyond doubt that most radiant heat is lost back into space. He must have told 15 baldfaced lies on last week's show. ]

All molecules absorb kinetic heat energy and then re-release it... It is like these morons think that CO2 absorbs heat at every angle to the molecule and then releases it back straight back downward.... if this were the case you could build an awesomely efficient solar collection device made out of a clear glass column filled with CO2 and with a heat collector at the bottom of it...

Not to mention the fact water vapor which is variable in percent of the atmosphere: per wiki The percentage water vapor in surface air varies from .01% at -42℃ (-44℉)[23] to 4.24% when the dew point is 30℃ (86℉). So with water vapour percentage swinging all over the place even if it is 1/10th the greenhouse gas of CO2 should prove to be catastrophic according to AGW modeling people... And they ignored the "city effect", you have these cities built with large expanses of concrete and asphalt absorbing heat during the day and releasing it at night in giant columns of rising warm air over cities and urban areas, that has GOT to affect the Jet Stream FAR more than a fractional increase in CO2..

21 posted on 06/11/2014 2:10:23 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: overdog2
The human world stands about midway between the infinitesimal and the immense. The size of our planet is near the geometric mean of the size of the known universe and the size of the atom. The mass of a human being is the geometric mean of the mass of the earth and the mass of a proton. A person contains about 1028 atoms, more atoms than there are stars in the universe…(snip) In our 150 pounds of protoplasm, in our three pounds of brain, there may be more operational organization than there is in the whole of the Andromeda Galaxy. The number of associations possible among our 10 billion neurons, and hence the number of thoughts humans can think, may exceed the number of atoms in the universe…
- A Look at the Fine-Tuned Universe

22 posted on 06/11/2014 2:19:53 PM PDT by Heartlander (We are all Rodeo Clowns now!)
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To: overdog2

...and something is statistically impossible if the odds of it happening are greater than 1 in 10 to the 50th power.


23 posted on 06/11/2014 2:24:31 PM PDT by afsnco
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To: Heartlander

I wonder if he’ll mention the Axis of Evil anomaly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_of_evil#Cosmology

I’m very much pro science, but this guy is a knucklehead, which is what Carl Sagan became in his later years after abusing pot.

Sheldon Cooper was right to hate him for his role in demoting Pluto.


24 posted on 06/11/2014 2:31:29 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: GraceG

The Warmers also talk as if a CO2 molecule can absorb unlimited amounts of heat. It’s pure nonsense and Tyson should be ashamed of himself for going along with the worst junk science ever produced. He’s a sham!


25 posted on 06/11/2014 2:58:06 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" means something different to 0bama.)
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To: bestintxas

I got through about 10 minutes of one espisode. It was actually pretty good and factual. It was explaining the changes in ice shelves over thousands and thousands of years.

But then, alas, the left wing BS came out saying “but now we face the problem of using fossil fuels...” CLICK.

Changed the station.


26 posted on 06/11/2014 3:00:46 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Conservatives are all that's left to defend the Constitution. Dems hate it, and Repubs don't care.)
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To: GraceG

Isn’t most of the atmosphere on Venus methane gas, sulphuric acid, etc?


27 posted on 06/11/2014 3:01:53 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Conservatives are all that's left to defend the Constitution. Dems hate it, and Repubs don't care.)
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To: dragonblustar

Braga had a casting couch for young men.


28 posted on 06/11/2014 3:02:35 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Conservatives are all that's left to defend the Constitution. Dems hate it, and Repubs don't care.)
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To: Heartlander
This really is the essential message of Cosmos: religion leads into "darkness," whereas only science offers truth.

I think it's a little more complex than that. I think the message is that, "when the ETs reveal themselves and speak of God, don't believe them."

Which of course is interesting enough as a message.

But what really intrigues me is - why do they feel so compelled to signal their spin right now?

LOL

29 posted on 06/11/2014 3:06:05 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Fledermaus

Sulfuric Acid and whatnot the outer atmosphere of venus is hightly reflective


30 posted on 06/11/2014 3:06:19 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: Heartlander

wonderful, thank you.


31 posted on 06/11/2014 3:20:29 PM PDT by cycjec
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To: Heartlander

“Cosmos” epitomizes the state of the modern scientific community.

- Very light on actual science

- Very dense on propaganda and indoctrination.

It’s what happens when you surrender your soul for a political agenda.


32 posted on 06/11/2014 4:26:09 PM PDT by Bratch
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Neil deGrasse Tyson on the show "The Big Bang Theory"

33 posted on 06/22/2014 7:23:31 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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