Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Judge: Daughter can stop food for Casey Kasem
msn.com ^ | ANTHONY McCARTNEY

Posted on 06/11/2014 4:41:42 PM PDT by Morgana

Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Daniel S. Murphy reversed a ruling from Monday that stated that Kasem should receive food, fluids and certain medications until after a court-appointed attorney met with the former radio host and his doctors.

Murphy reviewed additional medical records on Wednesday and concluded that Kasem would endure more pain if he was given food or fluids, attorney Troy Martin said. Martin, who represents Kasem's daughter Kerri, presented the updated information to Murphy during an emergency hearing.

He also presented the judge with documents in which Kasem stated he did not want his life prolonged by food or fluids if he was mentally incapacitated.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.msn.com ...


TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Music/Entertainment; Society
KEYWORDS: caseykasem; kasem; radiostar
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-55 next last
Oh hell no!!
1 posted on 06/11/2014 4:41:42 PM PDT by Morgana
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: wagglebee; narses; Salvation; NYer; little jeremiah

This blows!


2 posted on 06/11/2014 4:42:35 PM PDT by Morgana ( Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: BykrBayb

Terri’s list ping please!!


3 posted on 06/11/2014 4:44:40 PM PDT by Morgana ( Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Morgana

Unfortunately the hospital goes by what the patient has written down as far as treatment he wants received. Same thing happened to my friend’s father in law..he could no longer speak due to a massive stroke, his family showed the paperwork showing that he did not want to be kept alive by any artificial means or receive any food/drink..so that is what they did, abided by his wishes til he died


4 posted on 06/11/2014 4:46:38 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Sarah Barracuda

This is true however there has been a lot of fighting in this family. I am still airing on the side of caution. I don’t like it when a loved one goes out that way. I just don’t like it.


5 posted on 06/11/2014 4:49:02 PM PDT by Morgana ( Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Morgana

Me either..I hate it too..but whatever is in writing that is what they go by..I think the wife is a looney tune..maybe it was her throwing hamburger meat at the daughter that set off my “She nuts” theory, but all of this fighting no wonder Casey is losing his battle to live, he sees what is going on around him he must feel terrible


6 posted on 06/11/2014 4:50:51 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Morgana; Lil Flower

Now it begins, all over again. I learned my lesson on last night’s thread, and am not going to get into it again.

For those of you who did not see last night’s thread, the end stages of Parkinson’s, when the desire to eat or drink has been destroyed, tube feeding is no help, and will be harmful.

It is a very different medical situation than that of endured by Terry Schiavo.

I know form very personal experience.


7 posted on 06/11/2014 4:52:57 PM PDT by jacquej ("It is the peculiar quality of a fool to perceive the faults of others and to forget his own.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Morgana

Daughter sounds horrible.

There is no basis for a priori withholding of nutrition except to purposely starve someone to death.

If nutrient supplementation causes a problem, it will be stopped by the doctor.

It doesn’t need to be a priori ordered withheld under any circumstance, which is what this is.

His wife of more than 30 years should have the right to determine this.

The courts are failing and the daughter seems a piece of work.

And, there will be the pro-euthanasia contingent coming around to make condescending insulting and misleading comments.


8 posted on 06/11/2014 4:58:46 PM PDT by ifinnegan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Morgana

IMHO if he can’t sustain life on his own than they should pull the plug. It looks like they gave him a good chance with artificial support but it appears that did not work out. My wife and I have been through this experience with our own close relatives. This is happening with some neighbors right now. A tough decision to make.


9 posted on 06/11/2014 4:59:57 PM PDT by Parley Baer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Morgana

Thanks for posting, Morgana. Agents of death determining your end.


10 posted on 06/11/2014 5:01:16 PM PDT by PGalt
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Parley Baer

“IMHO if he can’t sustain life on his own than they should pull the plug.”

I agree. I’m 81 years old and my kids know how I feel and my doctor knows how I feel. I have also taken care of the legalities.

.


11 posted on 06/11/2014 5:02:52 PM PDT by Mears (give me a break!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Mears

Unfortunately death frequently brings out the worst in people as they fight for “their legacy”.


12 posted on 06/11/2014 5:04:08 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: ifinnegan

The tubes occasionally leak or become blocked or infected, necessitating hospitalizations; they can cause nausea, vomiting or diarrhea. Patients with advanced dementia can’t understand what’s going on, so “they tend to get agitated and try to pull out the tubes,” Dr. Mitchell said, which in turn leads to the use of restraints or psychotropic drugs.

Families often fear that without artificial nutrition and hydration, their relatives will suffer from hunger or thirst. But when researchers talked to cancer patients who were close to death but lucid, Dr. Mitchell said, they didn’t describe painful sensations.


13 posted on 06/11/2014 5:09:41 PM PDT by kcvl
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: jacquej

“when the desire to eat or drink has been destroyed, tube feeding is no help, and will be harmful.”

No one has ever argued against that or disagreed that that can happen Jackie.


14 posted on 06/11/2014 5:12:16 PM PDT by ifinnegan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: ifinnegan

Parkinson’s disease is a progressive neurological disorder that occurs when vital brain cells that control movement and coordination die or become impaired. Symptoms vary, but the disease is often characterized by uncontrollable shaking, limb stiffness, slow movement and difficulty walking. Studies show that Parkinson’s can also cause a host of other life-altering cognitive and physical changes including difficulty swallowing, chewing, speaking and pushing food through the digestive system, as these functions depend on muscles that may be weakened due to changes in the brain.

Many Parkinson’s patients, especially those in the later stages of the disease, experience difficulty swallowing, a condition known as dysphagia, which can affect their quality of life and cause life-threatening complications like aspiration pneumonia, malnutrition and dehydration, said Leslie Mahler, Ph.D., an assistant professor in the Department of Communicative Disorders at the University of Rhode Island who specializes in adults with neurological disorders. “The complication to be most concerned about is whether food is going down the right way,” she said.

According to the National Institute of Health, the leading cause of death for people with Parkinson’s disease is aspiration pneumonia, which occurs when the lungs and the airways to the lungs get inflamed or infected due to food or liquids going into the lungs when consumed rather than into the stomach. Parkinson’s patients are also at risk for asphyxiation or choking to death due to food blocking the airway and stopping breathing.

It is important to know the warning signs of a swallowing disorder, because some people may appear to be eating and drinking normally, but they are not, said Dr. Mahler, a speech-language pathologist. Early intervention and proper management of swallowing abnormalities are the keys to preventing major complications, she said.


15 posted on 06/11/2014 5:13:13 PM PDT by kcvl
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Parley Baer

“IMHO if he can’t sustain life on his own than they should pull the plug”

There’s no plug.

Idiocy.


16 posted on 06/11/2014 5:13:25 PM PDT by ifinnegan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: driftdiver

People in this position can be comfortably kept alive for a long time and enjoy their last years with their most loved, and the most loved can have more time to just be with the love of their life.

But the default position now is to starve people to death if they can’t swallow or walk or communicate normally and a health crisis occurs.


17 posted on 06/11/2014 5:16:57 PM PDT by ifinnegan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Sarah Barracuda

My husband had to make the decision for his mom. She had a stroke the very same day my husband found out he had cancer.

When he saw his mom, he realized she was able to communicate, but just not talk. I don’t know if she could nod her head or hold up fingers.

He convinced the doctors to talk to his mom and see what she wanted. She did not want a feeding tube.

The sad thing is that my husband could not stay with her until she passed because he had to come home for a PET scan to see how advanced his cancer was.

He stayed with her for almost a week. She passed the day after he left.

It was awful!


18 posted on 06/11/2014 5:17:18 PM PDT by luckystarmom
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: ifinnegan

It depends if he’s still conscious. I personally don’t want to spend my last days in a hospital. Nor do I want my children spending 10 years visiting me when I’m not conscious and am drooling and crapping on myself.


19 posted on 06/11/2014 5:19:15 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: ifinnegan

In 20 years, I’ve place over a hundred feeding tubes, primarily in elderly and demented individudals. In most of these cases, I serve as a technician. I am not consulted for my advice on whether a feeding tube is in a patient’s interest, but am asked to insert one after the decision has already been made. More than any other gastro procedure I perform, placing these tubes, called PEGs by physicians, is the most troubling. There is no question that gastroenterologists like me are placing more of these tubes than are medically necessary. Over the past few years, several medical papers have documented that providing tube nutrition for patients at the end of life, or with advanced dementia, provides no benefit. It does not prolong or improve life for many of these patients. Why, then, do we do it so often?

MICHAEL KIRSCH, M.D.
I am a full time practicing physician and writer. I write about the joys and challenges of medical practice including controversies in the doctor-patient relationship, medical ethics and measuring medical quality.


20 posted on 06/11/2014 5:19:40 PM PDT by kcvl
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: kcvl

Yes.

Aspiration pneumonia gets a lot of people with age-related neurological degeneration such as Alzheimer’s.

A nutrient tube in to the stomach completely solves the problem.

But, no one puts one in prophylactically, so there is almost always a life threatening pneumonia induced situation that the patient has to get passed and that doesn’t always happen.

Or worse, that acts as a reason to go hospice and palliative care - ie starvation induced euthanasia.


21 posted on 06/11/2014 5:21:32 PM PDT by ifinnegan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: kcvl
Thank You, for your advise/statement.

22 posted on 06/11/2014 5:23:30 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Bathhouse/"Rustler" Reid? d8-)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: kcvl

Those problems can happen but don’t always and are realtively easily addressable.

The second part of tour comment is not relevant as this is not a close to death issue, but an issue of not being able to take nutrition by mouth without aspiration and subsequent bouts of pneumonia.


23 posted on 06/11/2014 5:24:07 PM PDT by ifinnegan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: driftdiver

No argument.


24 posted on 06/11/2014 5:26:49 PM PDT by ifinnegan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: kcvl

“Over the past few years, several medical papers have documented that providing tube nutrition for patients at the end of life,”

Thanks, Michael. I appreciate your comments and don’t disagree at all.

There is a lot of talking past each other on these threads having to do with “end of life”.

The peg (thanks for the medical jargon term) is of use in advanced age related dementia after aspiration becomes unavoidable when nutrients are take orally - in other words eating.

This happens well before, can be years, before any sort of end of life condition occurs. The feeding tube can allow Alzheimer’s patients to not die of pneumonia and live longer.


25 posted on 06/11/2014 5:34:30 PM PDT by ifinnegan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: Morgana

Please, lady up. Can you not find a better expression?


26 posted on 06/11/2014 5:41:08 PM PDT by Bigg Red (31 May 2014: Obamugabe officially declares the USA a vanquished subject of the Global Caliphate.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: ifinnegan

She is a Scientologist and its costs big money to move up the ladder in that cult.

Terri was a victim if that cult too.
The vile husband hired Scientologist lawyer .


27 posted on 06/11/2014 6:06:43 PM PDT by ncalburt ( Amnesty-media out in full force)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: ifinnegan

I don’t know about that. The daughter fought to find him and get him out of a situation where he seemed to be suffering from neglect and lack of care. Now, she seems to be asking that the court uphold his expressed desire.


28 posted on 06/11/2014 6:08:11 PM PDT by GrootheWanderer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Bigg Red
It blows! whale blowing water photo: Whale! P1030687.jpg
29 posted on 06/11/2014 6:17:46 PM PDT by Morgana ( Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: ncalburt

Who is Scientologist?


30 posted on 06/11/2014 6:39:57 PM PDT by ifinnegan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: jacquej
What I read said: the ailing radio host was not responding to artificial nutrition and fluids, leading to painful complications.

I don't know what to think.

31 posted on 06/11/2014 6:40:33 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Morgana; Ohioan from Florida; 8mmMauser; T'wit; wagglebee; Alamo-Girl; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; ...

I cannot imagine the horror of my husband being kidnapped and tortured to death, under the color of law.

32 posted on 06/11/2014 8:08:27 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Wagglebee, welcome home we missed you! ~ Þ)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: BykrBayb

Thanks for the ping!


33 posted on 06/11/2014 8:23:10 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: Alamo-Girl

You’re welcome. Have a blessed day.


34 posted on 06/11/2014 8:48:58 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Wagglebee, welcome home we missed you! ~ Þ)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: BykrBayb

Barbaric!


35 posted on 06/12/2014 10:36:41 AM PDT by FamiliarFace
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: FamiliarFace

Actions like this make me fear for my husband. He has some serious brain damage from a stroke. What’s to stop the government from subjecting him to the same torture?


36 posted on 06/12/2014 11:07:26 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Wagglebee, welcome home we missed you! ~ Þ)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: BykrBayb

And right before Father’s Day. IMHO, she’s talked to Mikey on the telephone and he told her to do it on a holiday like he did to Terri.


37 posted on 06/12/2014 11:28:50 AM PDT by floriduh voter (ERIC CANTOR, buh bye!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: Parley Baer; BykrBayb; wagglebee; Jim Robinson

Withholding hydration is NOT pulling a plug. It’s HORRIBLY PAINFUL bec every single organ in the body deprived of hydration slowly turns into a ROCK. All the blood coagulates to the tongue. Those organs all have nerves. PAIN, TORTURE. Sure, why not??? Free Republic is pro-life and if there’s no plugs being pulled due to a genuine coma, it’s torture and it’s murder unless the person sentences themselves to die this way in a living will before they get sick.


38 posted on 06/12/2014 11:33:21 AM PDT by floriduh voter (ERIC CANTOR, buh bye!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: kcvl

Dehydration equals pain. Hydration is not facilitated w/a g-tube. You are projecting someone else’s portrayal on Casey Kasem. Every person is different and you cannot assess Casey Kasem and dehydration equals pain.


39 posted on 06/12/2014 11:36:32 AM PDT by floriduh voter (ERIC CANTOR, buh bye!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: ncalburt
Okay, so this could be a scientologist related job and they may end up with his inheritance. Mikey too. And the judges here were in bed w/the sci fis. I bet George Felos had already contacted the daughter and was probably involved in this case. He helped write the IPAB death panels. George Felos has books on amazon.com. Go read what's in the mind of Atty Felos. He's one twisted dude.

And, so over the phrase "pull the plug". There's often NO PLUG.

40 posted on 06/12/2014 11:41:37 AM PDT by floriduh voter (ERIC CANTOR, buh bye!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: DJ MacWoW
If the doctors were chosen by the daughter, they'll say whatever she wants them to say. You think they are completely honest out on the left coast??? Besides under the HIPPA Act, Casem's medical condition is supposed to be confidential which leads me to believe they are making stuff up.

Terri was half his age and alert and aware. Casey Kasem will maybe just pass away during the battling. He wins and both sides lose.

41 posted on 06/12/2014 11:44:26 AM PDT by floriduh voter (ERIC CANTOR, buh bye!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: BykrBayb

Mikey’s attorney wrote the IPAB Death Panel portion of the health care act. Go to your reps if you ever need help.


42 posted on 06/12/2014 11:45:12 AM PDT by floriduh voter (ERIC CANTOR, buh bye!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: floriduh voter

He has infected bedsores and is in critical condition. His 3 children, brother, SiL and friend Gonzalo Venecia are there. He has a team of doctors. Again, I don’t know what to think.


43 posted on 06/12/2014 11:53:15 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: floriduh voter
So basically you and others are for artificially keeping him alive with IV’s until something else fails to cause him to die. I may ask what kind of a life is that?

Most people I have talked to, including myself and my wife who have had relatives in this situation have made the decision that if the person cannot sustain life on their own and are not even cognizant of their surroundings it is better to let them go on to the next life.

If is obvious you and others have a different opinion and some get into name calling. I have already been called an idiot. I respect your opinion but I don't necessarily agree with it.

For me I have told my wife to pull the plug so to speak if I am in that situation.

44 posted on 06/12/2014 12:03:16 PM PDT by Parley Baer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: ifinnegan

“The feeding tube can allow Alzheimer’s patients to not die of pneumonia and live longer.”

No thanks!

.


45 posted on 06/12/2014 12:23:07 PM PDT by Mears (give me a break!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: floriduh voter

“Dehydration equals pain. Hydration is not facilitated w/a g-tube. You are projecting someone else’s portrayal on Casey Kasem. Every person is different and you cannot assess Casey Kasem and dehydration equals pain.”

You are doing the exact same thing you are accusing me of doing.

Just because they aren’t on a feeding tube doesn’t mean they are dehydrated. You can still get some liquid to them to keep from dehydrating.

As a Hospice volunteer for over 30 years I think I know what I’m talking about. They aren’t going to let him suffer from dehydration even if they remove the feeding tube or let him suffer from any other kind of pain for that matter.

So no one, including you, knows the situation. I never claimed that I did. I was commenting on feeding tubes only.


46 posted on 06/12/2014 12:41:17 PM PDT by kcvl
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies]

To: DJ MacWoW

What the hell is wrong with natural death?


47 posted on 06/12/2014 3:04:52 PM PDT by floriduh voter (ERIC CANTOR, buh bye!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 43 | View Replies]

To: DJ MacWoW
If he's not hooked up to machines, it's not "artificially keeping someone alive." There's still a lot of confusion and phrases tossed around when they are not applicable.

Make Casey Kasem of Scooby Doo fame as well (one of my fave cartoons) comfortable and hydrate him. It sounds like hydration would be the humane thing to do and he'll die without the suffering of all the additional organ failure.

Bedsores are the absolute worst. People have no idea why patients are turned all the time and why they have special beds that are made to prevent bedsores.

Hope he dies naturally so both sides lose. Both sides have made mistakes imho and if scientology ends up with his money, they will be the big winners.

48 posted on 06/12/2014 3:10:20 PM PDT by floriduh voter (ERIC CANTOR, buh bye!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 43 | View Replies]

To: Morgana

Is prolonging his life by extraordinary means going to lead to his full recovery or the inevitable, “failure to thrive” on his death certificate going to be pushed down the road by machine-driven feeding, breathing, heart-beating?


49 posted on 06/12/2014 4:06:52 PM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys-Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat-But they know what's best for you.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: BykrBayb

I’m looking into having an attorney write up that my husband, and I, have our care givers use the Catholic Catechism should we ever be in that position.


50 posted on 06/12/2014 7:12:48 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-55 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson