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This IT worker had to train an H-1B replacement
ComputerWorld ^ | June 10, 2014 | Patrick Thibodeau

Posted on 06/12/2014 9:22:30 AM PDT by RaveOn

This is the story of an IT worker who was replaced by a worker on an H-1B visa, one of a number of visa holders, mostly from India, who took jobs at this U.S. company. Computerworld is not going to use the worker's name or identify the companies involved to protect the former employee from retaliation. For purposes of this story, the worker has been given initials -- A.B. (They're not the person's real initials.)

At A.B.'s company, about 220 IT jobs have been lost to offshore outsourcing over the last year. A.B. is telling the story because, initially, there was little knowledge among fellow employees about H-1B visa holders and how they are used. They didn't know that offshore outsourcing firms are the largest users of H-1B visas, or exactly how this visa facilitates IT job losses in the U.S.

"I think once we learned about it, we became angrier toward the U.S. government than we were with the people that were over here from India," A.B. said, "because the government is allowing this."

(Excerpt) Read more at computerworld.com ...


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KEYWORDS: aliens; h1b; immigration; india; unemployment

1 posted on 06/12/2014 9:22:30 AM PDT by RaveOn
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To: kabar

ping


2 posted on 06/12/2014 9:24:22 AM PDT by Pelham (If you do not deport it is amnesty by default.)
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To: RaveOn

I expected a by-line date from the 90s. There’s nothing new about this, the good news is if you work for a company that wants you to train your replacement (regardless of where they’re from) you probably want out of that place anyway. Use that training time to jump start the search, and don’t feel an obligation to finish the training.


3 posted on 06/12/2014 9:25:11 AM PDT by discostu (Ladies and gentlemen watch Ruth!)
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To: RaveOn
"because the government is allowing this."

Correction: "Because the government is PROMOTing this, at the behest of industry because THEY want cheaper labor. Someone from a third world country will work for far less than an American can or will...................

4 posted on 06/12/2014 9:27:43 AM PDT by Red Badger (Soon there will be another American Civil War. Will make the first one seem like a Tea Party........)
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To: RaveOn
This would be an abuse of the H-1B program.

H-1B visas were supposed to be about temporarily filling jobs that could not be found locally because the skills weren't there. It was not intended to replace capable workers with cheaper workers.

-PJ

5 posted on 06/12/2014 9:31:23 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

What rock have you been living under?


6 posted on 06/12/2014 9:43:59 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: RaveOn

Wwere’s Zuckerberg to tell us how we need more techno-coolies?


7 posted on 06/12/2014 9:44:00 AM PDT by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: redgolum
I know what it's become, and I also know what it started out as. I was there at the beginning.

-PJ

8 posted on 06/12/2014 9:45:25 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: RaveOn

in the business they call this “knowledge transfer”


9 posted on 06/12/2014 9:45:52 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Political Junkie Too

It is much worse now.

We have kids graduating from top tier engineering schools who can’t get a job. I know personally of one who had to go back to India and apply for an H1B. She was born and raised in Iowa, but her family was from India.

When you have to fake your citizenship to get a job, things are rough. I would not recommend STEM degrees right now.


10 posted on 06/12/2014 9:51:25 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: RaveOn

My company was bought out, and the new owners immediately set about reducing labor costs by replacing the experienced engineers with indians. Every one of us went to the competition and got better pay, without interviewing. The customers went to the competition, the indians went home, and the company went bankrupt, all within one year. It was sweet.


11 posted on 06/12/2014 9:51:56 AM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: discostu

It’s still important to spread the word that most H-1B visas are going to high tech workers from Asia, not unskilled labor from Latin America. These are the people who are taking good high paying technical jobs from American workers, and sending their wages back to their home countries, rather than saving and investing here in the US.

My barber told me that when his son-in-law got laid off, in the last two weeks of his job, he was forced to train his two replacements from India. Within a few months, the company offered to re-hire him, because his replacements didn’t know what they were doing, and ended up costing the company a couple million dollars in losses.

Stories like this need to be passed on to the general public whenever the topic of immigration comes up. American workers need to stand their ground against this government-sponsored invasion and takeover.


12 posted on 06/12/2014 9:52:13 AM PDT by RaveOn ("No amount of logic can shatter a faith consciously based on a lie." Lamar Keene, "True Believers")
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To: Born to Conserve

Truly a happy ending.


13 posted on 06/12/2014 9:53:24 AM PDT by Pelham (If you do not deport it is amnesty by default.)
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To: RaveOn

Don’t get me started on outsourcing.

Not many American wants to speak to a non-North American agent when trying to resolve a problem. But companies would rather pad the bottom line and have some foreigner ineptly work through workflow rather than pay an American to do the job right the first time.

I’d submit that Indians wouldn’t want to talk to Americans to fix their problems as well.

For reasons like this one, H1-B visas need to be contracted, not expanded. American jobs belong in America. American servers need not be in some third-world country like India.

I hope this particular company fails under its own weight when the foreigners take over.


14 posted on 06/12/2014 9:56:24 AM PDT by NYRepublican72
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To: RaveOn

The republican party is willing participants in this charade and have been for some time. There is no shortage of workers and never has been. This is all about money. Now we have a screwed up economy because few people are working. All to make a few extra bucks in profits and make next quarters numbers look better.


15 posted on 06/12/2014 9:56:58 AM PDT by pas
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To: redgolum
“I would not recommend STEM degrees right now.”

I would. Those degrees teach actual, hard skills. An engineering degree is always a good preparation. Kids need to smart and know where the jobs and get connected with companies.
They can't just study for 4 years; then pop up and expect a job.
Do summer jobs in the industry; get to know people. In other words; networking.

16 posted on 06/12/2014 9:57:23 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Obama lied; our healthcare died.)
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To: discostu

I agree nothing new here. Another tip: If you ever hear someone say “knowledge transfer” or (I personally hate this) “pick your brain”, LEAVE. IMMEDIATELY. ASAP. As in, put all efforts into leaving RIGHT NOW.


17 posted on 06/12/2014 10:00:23 AM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: RaveOn

It happened to my son.
The Co. had the nerve to ask him to train his foreign replacement.
Took the Co. about 1.5 yrs. but they laid him off.


18 posted on 06/12/2014 10:00:46 AM PDT by Vinnie
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To: Born to Conserve

“My company was bought out, and the new owners immediately set about reducing labor costs by replacing the experienced engineers with indians. Every one of us went to the competition and got better pay, without interviewing. The customers went to the competition, the indians went home, and the company went bankrupt, all within one year. It was sweet.”

I just LOVE “feel good” stories like these...!


19 posted on 06/12/2014 10:02:00 AM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: Born to Conserve

I just love a happy ending.


20 posted on 06/12/2014 10:03:47 AM PDT by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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To: Born to Conserve
It is always a good idea to photocopy the business cards of your key customers and your key vendors. You can always look like a hero if asked with the answer "sometimes I need to work out of home and be available after hours."

Those contacts come in very, very handy at times like this.

21 posted on 06/12/2014 10:07:54 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: RaveOn

I went through something like that. My boss asked me to do a financial study to see what the cost would be to bring in coders from India to replace 50% of the team. When asked what would happen to the 50%, he said it wasn’t my concern.

I did my study, handed it in and without looking at it he told me I was going to present it to senior management. Ok...I’m now screwed because I put a big caveat in the study.

The afternoon of my presentation, my boss comes running into my office telling me I cannot present this. I asked him why. This is what he said:

“How can you say that hiring 20 offshore coders would cost more than leaving the same group of people in place? “ My boss never took into consideration the costs of fixing all the crap code that comes from offshore. In addition, because they are literal, any requirement that is vague will either not be coded or coded incorrectly. And they won’t tell you unless you specifically ask.

I been through this a half dozen times and stopped off shoring every time. They are great for project support, running database queries and creating documentation templates. Anything else, they are worthless.


22 posted on 06/12/2014 10:08:33 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz ("Heck of a reset there, Hillary")
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To: RaveOn

this is not new


23 posted on 06/12/2014 10:10:33 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: RaveOn

Part of the answer to that is if your boss asks you to train a replacement under those kinds of circumstances, say “I quit”, and get up and walk out.


24 posted on 06/12/2014 10:10:46 AM PDT by varmintman (It must really suck to be a Nazi in Kiev these days...)
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To: RaveOn

Training their illegal alien replacement has been the rule for American workers in blue collar and restaurants, and the trades and construction and automotive, etc., etc., etc., for almost 50 years in America.

I wonder if the IT guys were hiring illegals to do their landscaping and roofing jobs, and maid work?


25 posted on 06/12/2014 10:14:54 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

They have done that.

We just hired an intern, who graduated from a great school and had a number of prior internships during schooling.

None of the firms hired her. We only hired her for a summer position that is typically filled by a sophomore.

And we had six other resumes just like her’s to choose from.
Most had a GPA above 3.5. One had one as a 4.0.

I called the placement department at my old alma mater (Iowa State) to see what was up. When I graduated, everyone in my class had a job or plans for higher education. Now, placement is below 50% for all engineers.

Starting wages in my field are now lower than in 1998 when I graduated, if you can find a job (even in North Dakota, as there are a lot of Canadian engineers moving in now). One friend of mine had been up there for a while just got his notice (along with most of his team). Since the company is Canadian, I guess it makes sense to hire their own.

I stand by my statement. Stay out of the STEM field, the jobs are not there.


26 posted on 06/12/2014 10:16:22 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum

“Now, placement is below 50% for all engineers.”

Hmm. My daughter is a recent Iowa State engineering grad. She was very plugged in while in school and interned; made lots of connections. She has now a great job a nuclear power plant with tons of upwards mobility it appears.
She got her degree in 4 years, and worked while in school; no student loans; and was involved in different student groups. So that’s my perspective on Iowa State engineering grads.
The 50% number seems WAY to low. I will email her and ask her what numbers she hears.


27 posted on 06/12/2014 10:27:35 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Obama lied; our healthcare died.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
In addition, because they are literal, any requirement that is vague will either not be coded or coded incorrectly. And they won’t tell you unless you specifically ask.

Key sentences. Their culture does not encourage initiative and they will not tell you they don't know. I've had Indians, who were not dummies (MAs in math, etc.), who would just look at you and say, with a smile and an agreeable nod, "Yes? Yes?" any time they were presented with a problem that was not spelled out in minute detail.

28 posted on 06/12/2014 10:32:41 AM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: Oatka

I don’t know of any parent sending their kids off for STEM degrees and been that way for a good decade now.


29 posted on 06/12/2014 10:45:58 AM PDT by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: Political Junkie Too
This would be an abuse of the H-1B program. H-1B visas were supposed to be about temporarily filling jobs that could not be found locally because the skills weren't there. It was not intended to replace capable workers with cheaper workers.

Typical establishment Republican response.

You have the facts, logic, morality, and the rules on your side.

And you still get your ass kicked.

30 posted on 06/12/2014 11:17:12 AM PDT by IDontLikeToPayTaxes
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To: Born to Conserve

I get reminders of the mixed quality of international coders when our system data pull bring up a notice “pooling”.
When I tried to explain it, they said it was the same word - it sounded the same.


31 posted on 06/12/2014 11:51:44 AM PDT by tbw2
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bookmark


32 posted on 06/12/2014 9:28:36 PM PDT by Whenifhow
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To: ansel12

“Training their illegal alien replacement has been the rule for American workers in blue collar and restaurants, and the trades and construction and automotive, etc., etc., etc., for almost 50 years in America.

I wonder if the IT guys were hiring illegals to do their landscaping and roofing jobs, and maid work?”

This is VERY true...no one seems to care when they are getting great deals on cheap foreign cars, products, services, until this goes up the food chain.


33 posted on 06/13/2014 5:17:28 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: Oatka

That word, they do know - because if you interview them and ask them if they are familiar with/know how to do/understand the principles of x, the ONLY correct answer is...

YES!


34 posted on 06/13/2014 5:19:45 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: The Antiyuppie

Don’t confuse someone buying a TV that wasn’t made in the US, to someone hiring someone in the country illegally.


35 posted on 06/13/2014 5:32:31 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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