Skip to comments.The "fall of Baghdad"
Posted on 06/12/2014 7:54:07 PM PDT by ChocChipCookie
There's something I've been wondering about whenever I hear of rebels or insurgents or whatever, "taking over a city."
How do these people, "take over a city"? I'm trying to picture tanks or troops coming down I-45...and then what? What do they do to gain control of an entire city?
I live in a fairly big city and have been wondering about the sequence of events for something like this to happen.
If you step outside your home, they will cut your head off. They control movement, water, food, and general policing and “control” of the masses.
In America I think it would be a simple matter of going directly to the schools and seizing control of the kids.
basically it means they take over the city hall or other main government buildings
If your city was invaded by a group of well-armed individuals, you have some decisions to make...leave, fight or wait. Few if any will fight, leaving is perhaps to difficult. Wait and see might seem to be the most logical decision. Jews did not leave Warsaw though a few fought. Human nature and not too difficult to understand.
Gibbons wrote, paraphrasing, that a well fortified city of 10,000 can withstand an assault by an army of 100,000. But once within, a well organized armed group of 10,000 can control a city of one million.
The Nazis took over the Warsaw ghetto, but it look months and the power of several divisions. The Jews in the ghetto had very few guns, but they used them.
In a city where resisters had guns and knew how to use them, it would be difficult to “take over” in any real sense, if the people truly were “resisters”.
This is the essence of Solzhenitsyn’s “How we burned in the camps ...”
They kill or drive out police and security forces, controlling gas stations and other points of need for citizens
There are many ways to take over a city. Look at Detroit.
Another facet of the mideast is the Civilized Western lifestyle vs the pig lifestyle.
In those areas, one can offer a choice to the locals who have occupied the region for millennia, would you like for us to rebuild your society, so you can live free, with liberty and justice, as has matured in western civilization,....OR,...do you prefer to live like a pig?
Many will prefer the pig option, if for no other reason than to NOT live like a civilized westerner.
Soldiers, including guerrillas, are mostly very young, trained to fight, and are much more physically fit than most non-combat folks realize. Real training for real combat soldiers (very small percentage of total military personnel) is very uncomfortable, necessarily humiliating, lengthy and not “as seen on TV” or on civilian commando ranges. But without such training, people won’t fight like soldiers. Regardless of previous plans or determination, they’ll only be afraid and generally compliant.
Very fearful of what’s ahead.
The citizenry is unarmed. Those paid to protect them are cowards. Those who want to dominate them are utterly ruthless. After that, it’s easy.
I know that you are a prepper in Phoenix right? Are you thinking of what you would do if Arizona was invaded? Yeah, me, too.
Even armed citizens will be this fearful?
from one neighborhood to another, taking on willing enlistees....
they could stop traffic coming into their hood...they could cut down cell phone towers....
it could happen....
I think of two scenarios...Paris which fell without a shot, and Stalingrad. I suppose it depends on the willingness to fight. Frankly, I’m too old and it hurts when I kneel so I guess I would have to fight.
“would you like for us to rebuild your society, so you can live free, with liberty and justice, as has matured in western civilization,....OR,...do you prefer to live like a pig?”
would you like for us to rebuild your society, so you can live free, with liberty and justice, as has matured in western civilization,....OR,...do you prefer to live on welfare?
First, you take over their health care and refuse to treat the residents.
Then you flood the city with immigrants from another country, and give the health care resources to them instead.
Then you drain the bank accounts of the residents and use the money to feed the immigrants.
Then you shut down the businesses that keep the residents employed, or enact punishing fines on the businesses so that they can't afford to keep the residents employed.
Then you break down the family structure of the residents in order to weaken their value system.
Then you stop teaching the children about math, science, and history, so that they lose their connections to their culture and national heritage, and make them dependent on those who took over the cities.
Like this: What is your profession..?
The Middle East is on fire, let it burn.
Baghdad is not self sufficient for food. Want to starve the kids, or quietly MYOB?
The Sunni side will welcome the “liberators” Assume the Sadr militia will fight. If they lose, I would not want to be a Shia caught there after sundown. Lots of scores to settle.
The Middle East is on fire, let it burn.
“taking over” is a very vague term. It basically means they can operate and move around in specific area without encountering severe combat.
That’s not to say the control the electricity, TV, radio, police, organs of government, etc... - that takes a long time, and from the sound of it Islamists are not very good at governing, only killing.
The Middle East is on fire, let it burn.
Well, the Marshall Plan only succeeded in turning western Europe into a Fabian socialist paradise, with the elites conspiring the whole time with respect to creating that European Union. Never mind further seducing US politicians into their socialistic mindset.
seems to be a contagion.
I was speaking rhetorically with respect to them.
This is a setup to give Iran an excuse to do something after all. They already regard their western borders as encompassing Iraq and Syria anyway.
Where would I look to see your astute summary? /s
You have summed it up most exactly.
So sad, but true in highsight. The cafe society of the socialist is very seductive to those who are soft.
It should be easy as a good portion of the population considers these monsters to be holy men.
They’ll be seeking revenge on the Great Satan no matter who is really responsible for the fire.
And Israel would be caught up in such a conflagration too.
don’t forget roadblocks to restrict travel.
” - - - Islamists are not very good at governing, - - - “
Not so anymore!
Taliban Mullah in Chief Hussein Obama made sure of that by promoting the Fab Five from Gitmo to Quatar.
So far, in just over a week all is going well for the Fab Five:
* Pakistan Airport attacks;
* Easy takeover of Mosul (pop. 2 million);
* Saddam’s hometown;
* Cake walk tomorrow to Bagdad.
The Taliban has no better ally than B. Hussein Obama - - - he truly has fulfilled the dreams of his Father(?s).
1. Isolate the target by setting up checkpoints on the major land or sea arteries.
2. Move in and neutralize the security forces.
3. Occupy the government buildings and media outlets (radio/tv).
4. Take over the power, water and telephone facilities. Bribe or coerce the operators so they do what you say.
5. Enforce your will. Go house to house at your leisure.
Now you own the city. You are controlling the food and supplies that come in. You can turn the electricity and water on or off for punishment or reward. You can broadcast your instructions. You control the population.
Your occupation only took ten days or so. If there is a resistance, it will take several months to take shape. In the meantime, you eliminate them before they become a problem.
70% of the people won’t or can’t fight. 20% will only fight if they think they can win. 5% will bide their time until they think they will win. 5% will fight immediately. The last 5% are the ones you will neutralize in the first couple weeks. The other 5% you’ll neutralize in the next few weeks. You’ll need to knock out another 20% or so just to send a message. Very violent. Very merciless. Very effective.
They’re Muslims. Don’t think of an American city.
its a difficult game to understand....
Intimidation has a lot to do with it, I would imagine.
Warning: it’s really graphic. Which was their point, I suppose.
Take-over city hall, all key intersections, broadcast media stations, police stations.
Arrest Mayor, make him broadcast an acknowledgement of the power transition, then disappear him.
Replace police commanders, keep patrol officers & give them a totally new set of orders.
Issue new ID’s to citizens, assign Block Captain roles to “new patriots”.
Obama’s Vietnam, the redo.
Kinda like post-Katrina New Orleans... or post Marathon Bombing Boston.
Already in place.
This does have the feel of the last days of South Vietnam.
A well armed society makes a huge difference.
And who is behind those guns of course.