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Are U.S. Vehicles, Weapons And Supplies From Desert Storm Buried in the Iraqi Desert?

Posted on 06/13/2014 10:53:16 AM PDT by Citizen Zed

A West Point grad once told me that the U.S. Army decided it was cheaper to bury Operation Desert Storm goodies under 30 feet of Iraqi desert than to bring them home. Anybody else hear this?


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1 posted on 06/13/2014 10:53:16 AM PDT by Citizen Zed
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To: Citizen Zed

Terrorists are buying shovels en mass from Home Depot


2 posted on 06/13/2014 10:55:32 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Citizen Zed

No, I hear the bad guys are driving and using all the equipment which was abandoned and turned over to them.


3 posted on 06/13/2014 10:55:50 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Citizen Zed

Never heard that. Ocean transport isn’t particularly expensive. But many other factors may have influenced the call.


4 posted on 06/13/2014 10:56:43 AM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: Citizen Zed

If true, it’s a good place to hide the stuff out in the middle of nowhere in the featureless Iraqi desert.


5 posted on 06/13/2014 10:57:14 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Citizen Zed

its possible - doesn’t it happen after all wars?

Remember, politicians don’t care about money, and most military managers do not look beyond the next approved budget outlays and what it costs to transport and maintain such equipment.

Remember the story about 40+ new Spitfires that were buried in Burma after WWII?


6 posted on 06/13/2014 11:00:03 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: Citizen Zed
Thought these and other military designed vehicles were being given freely to all law enforcement departments in the U.S. That means every Barney Fife will be driving his own bullet proof, air polluting over sized road destroying ATV.
7 posted on 06/13/2014 11:00:55 AM PDT by shadeaud (Be strong when you are weak.)
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To: Citizen Zed
Are U.S. Vehicles, Weapons And Supplies From Desert Storm Buried in the Iraqi Desert?
Yeah, right next to Saddam's WMDs - great hiding spot.
8 posted on 06/13/2014 11:03:06 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Citizen Zed
Some of Saddam's WMD's are buried there too.

I bet the jihadis can find them...

... or maybe they brought them in from Syria.

9 posted on 06/13/2014 11:04:56 AM PDT by eCSMaster ("It is not the color of his skin, ... it is the blackness that fills his soul")
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To: Citizen Zed

I don’t think they bothered burying them. The military abandoned hundreds (thousands?) of broken down and cannibalized vehicles and gave many more to the Iraqi government.


10 posted on 06/13/2014 11:06:18 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Citizen Zed

Does this help answer the question?:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/dec/15/gear-galore-left-in-iraq-as-last-troops-pull-out/?page=all

Then again maybe not.


11 posted on 06/13/2014 11:10:33 AM PDT by Up Yours Marxists
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To: nascarnation

I remember the end of the war in Nam when the choppers were pushed over the sides of carriers. Maybe for a space saving measure or maybe it was just taxpayer money so who gives a d—n.

The story of buried transport and weapons is probably true.


12 posted on 06/13/2014 11:11:39 AM PDT by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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To: Citizen Zed

I think this is bleed-over rumor from a John Ringo or David Drake novel called the Last Centurion.


13 posted on 06/13/2014 11:11:57 AM PDT by FateAmenableToChange
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To: Citizen Zed

It smells like the pitch for a new Markie Mark movie.


14 posted on 06/13/2014 11:12:59 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Citizen Zed

In every war we leave equipment behind of just destroy it because it is cheaper. I am sure we did so in Iraq.


15 posted on 06/13/2014 11:17:24 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (I am an American - Not a Republican or a Democrat.)
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To: Citizen Zed

“Desert Storm”


16 posted on 06/13/2014 11:19:16 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: oh8eleven
Yeah, right next to Saddam's WMDs

They're not there anymore.....the chemical weapons were shipped to Syria and the uranium was sold and shipped to Canada back in 2005.......

17 posted on 06/13/2014 11:20:18 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (By now, everyone should know that you shoot a zombie in the head. Don't try to reason with them...)
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To: Foundahardheadedwoman

they were pushed overboard during the evacuation of Saigon due to lack of deck space to land them all safely.


18 posted on 06/13/2014 11:22:40 AM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: Citizen Zed

I don’t know but I wouldn’t be surprised. We and the Brits did a lot of that after WWII.


19 posted on 06/13/2014 11:24:00 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Foundahardheadedwoman

“I remember the end of the war in Nam when the choppers were pushed over the sides of carriers.”

The helicopters were aircraft from the South Vietnamese armed forces in April 1975. It would have taken too much time and space to store them so the decision was to push them overboard.


20 posted on 06/13/2014 11:25:12 AM PDT by chrisinoc
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To: PGR88

“Remember the story about 40+ new Spitfires that were buried in Burma after WWII?”

They were buried during WW2 to keep them out of the hands of the Japanese. That area of Burma was in danger of being overrun during the Imphal-Kohima Offensive.


21 posted on 06/13/2014 11:27:17 AM PDT by Tallguy
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To: Citizen Zed
After WW I, the Army piled-up 1,600 American airplanes and set them on fire rather than ship them back to the U.S. They abandoned most of their animals. I had a picture of an Army horse, abandoned in knee-deep mud, dying. Horrible.

When the US Army Air Corps then asked for new planes, Coolidge reportedly said, "Buy one and let them take turns flying it."

22 posted on 06/13/2014 11:30:03 AM PDT by pabianice (LINE)
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To: Citizen Zed

I can speak for my battalion in Desert Storm, every piece of equipment we took, that hadn’t been lost or destroyed, we brought back.


23 posted on 06/13/2014 11:33:41 AM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: Citizen Zed

A vet friend told he spent weeks burning supplies;they had a huge bonfire and he and others just pushed material onto the pile with bulldozers.He was allowed to ship a half or full dozen bags of goodies home,mostly uniforms, disposable razors and such.


24 posted on 06/13/2014 11:34:17 AM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: PoloSec

Desert Storm military gear ended up in USA, in Saudi Arabia or in Kuwait. Incursion into Iraq was not of a long duration - certainly no commander would have abandoned usable equipment in the territory of the enemy. Any tactical withdrawal or like lateral movement was preceded by destruction of any equipment and/or supplies the outfit was unable to take with them.


25 posted on 06/13/2014 11:42:47 AM PDT by NutmegDevil
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To: FateAmenableToChange

Saddam actually did try to bury his air force and other materials in the desert to hide them from advancing forces. I remember the pics of some Migs and other equipment being excavated.


26 posted on 06/13/2014 11:47:29 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: Foundahardheadedwoman
I remember the end of the war in Nam when the choppers were pushed over the sides of carriers. Maybe for a space saving measure or maybe it was just taxpayer money so who gives a d—n.

IIRC, most of those pushed over the side were to make room for other incoming evac choppers.

27 posted on 06/13/2014 11:49:11 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Has anyone seen my tagline? It was here yesterday. I seem to have misplaced it.)
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To: Tallguy

the story I referred to is below. The spitfires were buried when the war was over.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2263804/Hunt-lost-Spitfires-buried-crates-continues-JCBs-dig-trenches-Burmese-airport.html


28 posted on 06/13/2014 12:06:02 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: IYAS9YAS; Foundahardheadedwoman

When Saigon was falling in 1975 and the US Embassy was being evacuated, dozens of South Vietnamese helicopter pilots loaded their families and friends on board their helicopters and flew out to the couple of US air craft carriers that were off the coast to escape the North Vietnamese Army. It is pictures of those Republic of South Vietnam helicopters being pushed over the side of the carriers to make room for other incoming helicopters to land. The South Vietnamese pilots had no desire to return to Vietnam and become prisoners of war and ‘re-educated’ as communists.


29 posted on 06/13/2014 12:30:04 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Citizen Zed

We brought all of our toys back but I was stationed with the marines and they don’t have the budget to throw things away.


30 posted on 06/13/2014 12:32:58 PM PDT by dangerdoc
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To: Foundahardheadedwoman

I remember the end of the war in Nam when the choppers were pushed over the sides of carriers.
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They needed the room to land more ... and they certainly weren’t going back to be captured. most were single engine Hueys ... already outdated and with lots of hours on the meter.


31 posted on 06/13/2014 12:39:59 PM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: PGR88

The story on the spitfires is bullfeathers.But our military did and still does bury al kinds of equipment.


32 posted on 06/13/2014 12:40:57 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Up Yours Marxists

I am talking about Desert Storm, 1991. The guy said he complied with the order to bury the stuff. I’m just looking for a confirmation of his story.


33 posted on 06/13/2014 12:42:56 PM PDT by Citizen Zed ("Freedom costs a buck o five" - Gary Johnston, TAWP)
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To: eCSMaster

No Bush removed the Yellow Cake from the desert and sold it to a Canadian Company, sorry you missed that.


34 posted on 06/13/2014 12:44:15 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: Citizen Zed

What kind of stuff are we talking about?

I remember that a lot of heavy equipment (tanks, etc) was put into storage in Kuwait in case we needed to go back.

But it wouldn’t surprise me if lesser equipment, damaged or obsolescent vehicles (like the M60A3 tanks that the Marines showed up with then traded out for M1s from Army prepositioned stocks) were buried.


35 posted on 06/13/2014 12:47:36 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Tallguy

The story of the buried spitfires is hogwash.


36 posted on 06/13/2014 12:48:59 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Citizen Zed

Also, could be abandoned Iraqi equipment ...


37 posted on 06/13/2014 12:49:43 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Citizen Zed

Lots of equipment was pre-position in many middle east countries before Desert Storm, I know because I got there in Aug 90 and there was a lot of stuff already on the ground that was not shipped in a such a short time.


38 posted on 06/13/2014 2:36:57 PM PDT by Caribou ( www.ktok.com Red State Radio free streaming.)
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To: pabianice

“After WW I, the Army piled-up 1,600 American airplanes and set them on fire rather than ship them back to the U.S.”

I remember reading about planes being pushed off the backs of carriers on the journey home after WWII. Heck, there’s still leftover Civil War kit out there.


39 posted on 06/13/2014 3:03:26 PM PDT by Owl558 (Those who remember George Santayana are doomed to repeat him)
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To: PGR88

It certainly happened after WWII. My father was in the Navy and told of huge amounts of material deep-sixed, officially and unofficially. No one wanted to be delayed by having to inventory stuff, to cite just one reason.

Jeeps, PALLET loads of things like binoculars, pushed overboard, some not far from American ports.


40 posted on 06/13/2014 3:09:18 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Neidermeyer

I had several responses to the Nam and choppers pushed off the carriers saying it was due to lack of space, that was my first thought also, so you are all right. Thanks, I kind of wondered.


41 posted on 06/13/2014 5:03:04 PM PDT by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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