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8 stars whose box office draw is nose diving
NY Post ^ | June 14, 2014 | Kyle Smith

Posted on 06/16/2014 5:27:52 AM PDT by Macoozie

With an opening weekend take of $28 million, Tom Cruise’s new sci-fi film “Edge of Tomorrow” — which debuted June 6 — did even worse than his last sci-fi movie, 2013’s “Oblivion.” In the last eight years, Cruise has had only one hit (2011’s “Mission: Impossible — Ghost Protocol”). It looks like he’s nearing the end of his run as a major movie star, though we’ll see how “Mission: Impossible 5” does when it comes out next year.

The 51-year-old is not alone in his midlife crisis: Here are seven more movie stars whose careers are in trouble.

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Arts/Photography; Music/Entertainment; TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: clooney; crowe; hollywood; movies
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I like Russell Crowe movies. "A Good Year" is a well-done and entertaining watch. "Cinderella Man" is a well-made Rocky clone, but also a good watch. Crowe's "Robin Hood" is a neat twist on an old story. Many of the others Actors listed I have no use for . . .
1 posted on 06/16/2014 5:27:52 AM PDT by Macoozie
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To: Macoozie

They can always start mouthing off about those damn Conservatives... that’s always good for a couple months free publicity and popularity! :)


2 posted on 06/16/2014 5:32:46 AM PDT by SMARTY ("When you blame others, you give up your power to change." Robert Anthony)
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To: SMARTY

It’s the movie industry. They’re putting out crap.


3 posted on 06/16/2014 5:33:32 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: Macoozie

“Robin Hood” was a tragedy. If you read what the original script was about, then you’ll see just how creatively bankrupt Hollywood is. The “Sheriff of Notthingham” script sounded awesome. “Robin Hood” was OK, but it wasn’t particularly interesting. Such a shame...


4 posted on 06/16/2014 5:35:06 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Macoozie

There is a lot of empirical evidence that there is no correlation between box office performance and if that movie has A list stars.


5 posted on 06/16/2014 5:44:01 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: Macoozie

A shame for Cruise Edge of Tomorrow is quite good. Oblivion was lightweight and deserved to do poorly. The guy is a good actor in great shape for his age but people are turned off to him. Knight and Day was really good too.


6 posted on 06/16/2014 5:44:32 AM PDT by Williams
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To: DIRTYSECRET
It’s the movie industry. They’re putting out crap.

That's the biggest factor. They rely on big name stars, instead of quality storytelling.

With the price of a movie ticket being so high, people aren't going to see a movie, just because a certain actor is in it.

Note that the most popular TV series have no top tier actors in them. "Top tier" referring to pay-line, not talent. I often think that having a known star places another hurdle on the storytelling, as the audience must set aside the fact that they already know the person. Instead of easily accepting that they are following the life of say Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg, the audience is constantly reminded that its Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg, as played by Tom Cruise. When the audience doesn't know the actor, they quickly accept the character being genuine without distraction.

7 posted on 06/16/2014 5:44:46 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Macoozie

The industry moved away from strong writing and acting, into weak story, weak acting and computer generation.


8 posted on 06/16/2014 5:44:46 AM PDT by lurk
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To: Macoozie

Fascinating. All eight are male.

Male roles and stars dominate today, whereas back during the horrible days of oppression of women, there were lots of good roles for actresses.

9 of 10 box office draws last year were male.

BTW, Russell Crowe, listed as washed up in this article, was #3.

http://www.deadline.com/2013/12/2013-top-10-international-box-office-stars/


9 posted on 06/16/2014 5:46:26 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: Macoozie

There are only so many ways to repackage Top Gun and Tom Cruise is getting a little old to be a matinee idol. He never was much of an actor anyway, and his personal peculiarities have caught up with him.

Johnny Depp can only play so many pirates and is a weird disaster in anything else. That Tonto thing with the dead bird on his head, what on earth were they thinking?

The industry is losing control, the crowds aren’t materializing, their old formula isn’t working and their stable of “stars” is dwindling. Overt politicization has offended a good percentage. Other avenues of entertainment are cutting into the audience.

I don’t think there will be another Tom Cruise in his heyday, the critical mass is just no longer there to support it, and he really wasn’t all that great to begin with.


10 posted on 06/16/2014 5:47:30 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Macoozie

You can’t forget Tom Cruise is Tom Cruise. That worked in his favor when people liked who Tom Cruise was, but now we know him as a control-freak, bat-sh!+ insane cultist... not so much.

You also can’t forget Clooney is Clooney. He is still likeable, but he is also boring as an actor; he never seems togo beyond a handsome smile. That served OK as a character actor (Gravity, ER), but makes for a poor lead role.

Likewise, Johnny Depp is a great actor, but a seriously off-putting lead. He’s weird. It’s wonderful for when the role calls for weird ( a perfect match for Tim Burton), but not great as a blockbuster lead. Case in point: His Charlie and the Chocolate Factory nailed Dahl’s novella, but reminded so many people, “No, it’s not just me... this is a disturbing story.”

On the other hand, Matt Damon works as an action hero. He’s likeable, but a bit boring, so he works as an everyman. Put him in something character-driven, and he just doesn’t hold up. And all but a few action-hero movies should be at least somewhat character driven.

Vince Vaughn screams out “douche!” That works great for roles that demand a douche (”Wedding Crashers”), but again... not an action hero.

Collin Ferrel just looks.... dirty. You know what? A lot of these guys are starting to look dirty... Adam Sandler... Vince Vaughn... Johnny Depp...


11 posted on 06/16/2014 5:48:52 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Macoozie

I can’t go see Edge of Tomorrow because they knocked Emily Blunt down to 2% body fat and are trying to make her an action star. What a waste!


12 posted on 06/16/2014 5:53:35 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (Health Care Haiku: If You Have a Right / To the Labor I Provide / I Must Be Your Slave)
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To: Macoozie
Only ever heard of four of these guys. And don't care about them, much less the four no-names. Hollywood is not what it used to be.
13 posted on 06/16/2014 5:57:05 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Macoozie
I never go the movies to see an actor.
I want to see movies that are good no matter who's in it.
Sometimes good actors know how to choose good scripts and perform really well, which will make them known for being in good movies.
Their name alone does not make it so.
If Hollywood spent more time on the craft and less on marketing, they might have seen that.

14 posted on 06/16/2014 5:58:04 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: Macoozie

Nose-diving? Nose-bleeding is more like it. Usually vile language and digging deeper into more immorality does it for Depp. These popular stars used to be able to make money without soiling one’s spirit by watching them.


15 posted on 06/16/2014 6:01:55 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: dangus; DIRTYSECRET; lurk
You all posted some really smart critiques (that I happen to agree with, imagine that).

I would add:

Theater tickets are expensive, and the treats are OUTRAGEOUSLY expensive, the stories are weak, and weakly told, the CGI effects all look like computer games (Edward Wood's special effects almost look good beside some of the stuff I see) and the images are blurry to the point of maddening (why do we have IMAX, 3D, 1080p, and on and on, and then the director blurs the image to make it look like a lot is going on?).

16 posted on 06/16/2014 6:04:10 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (Please excuse the potholes in this tagline. Social programs have to take priority in our funding.)
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To: BitWielder1

The Last time we went to a movie, the theater bombarded us with very loud advertising and promos for coming attractions. To heck with that !


17 posted on 06/16/2014 6:04:44 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: Williams

The screwy ending in Edge of Tomorrow leave you wondering what happened.


18 posted on 06/16/2014 6:09:41 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: BitWielder1

I agree w/ you.

Except I never go to the movies. I wait for the Netflix DVD.

Watch it in my own home when ever I want. Always have the best seat. No obnoxious people to spoil the movie. I can pause the movie if I get a phone call or need a bathroom break.

And the popcorn and soda is just as good and costs MUCH less :)


19 posted on 06/16/2014 6:09:59 AM PDT by upchuck (... honesty is the never-ending rehearsal for those who want to be the friends of God...)
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To: Macoozie

CGI has in many ways ruined Hollywood action movies as they tend to over rely on them. The story is not as important, it’s how much action can we pack into it. In the last few years, there were really only two movies (IMO) that I think were really good. That is “The Book Thief” and “The Grand Budapest Hotel”. They were good stories and the biggest actor in either of them is Ralph Fiennes who is not a top tier actor.

I have to say that the best shows are not in the movies any longer. T.V. and especially cable T.V. has some of the most ground breaking stuff out there today.


20 posted on 06/16/2014 6:11:46 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Why anyone here would glorify Hollywood, much less financially support them by your patronage, is beyond me.

The people making money from this have values that are diametrically antithetical to what we Freepers say we hold.

Can we not make that connection?


21 posted on 06/16/2014 6:13:44 AM PDT by Eccl 10:2 (Prov 3:5 --- "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding")
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To: Macoozie

One word...Redbox.

I don’t do movie-house, $50 ticket & snack excursions anymore. Used to be an enjoyable experience. Used to love an afternoon matinee or a Saturday night “date” with the wife. Not anymore. Nowadays, you deal with jerks on cellphones, or someone chattering with their neighbor the entire movie, or the thump, thump, thump of someone kicking the back of your seat, or groups of gangstas hovering around the theatre entrance.

No thanks. I’ll wait for it to come out on Redbox if I want to see it.

UNLESS...the actor has turned into a public jerk, espousing some sort of crap (liberal) dogma. In that case, there won’t even be a Redbox moment for them with me. They’re off my list.

If the line at the Redbox last night was any indication...a lot of folks feel the same way.


22 posted on 06/16/2014 6:13:45 AM PDT by moovova
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To: RegulatorCountry

***That Tonto thing with the dead bird on his head,***

You want dead birds on the head? Rent the old movie A MAN CALLED HORSE. Authentic Indian costumes. One had a dead buzzard on his head.


23 posted on 06/16/2014 6:22:37 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need more than seven rounds, Much more.)
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To: imardmd1
***Usually vile language and digging deeper into more immorality does it for Depp.***

And what is wrong with a little sin and corruption other than a case of syphilis.


24 posted on 06/16/2014 6:28:16 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need more than seven rounds, Much more.)
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To: Macoozie

Common theme with most of these guys...they can’t help but spout off about their personal views (usually liberal).


25 posted on 06/16/2014 6:30:42 AM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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DIRTYSECRET @3: "It’s the movie industry. They’re putting out crap."

Annoyingly loud, CGI-substituted, cliché-filled, product-placement saturated, thin plot-flawed, leftist propaganda-ladened, outrageously priced CRAP.

26 posted on 06/16/2014 6:32:39 AM PDT by Carl Vehse
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To: Macoozie

Adam Sandler is perhaps the saddest one.

To paraphrase one of his own movies, nobody want to see a 50 year old guy making pratfalls and telling fart jokes.


27 posted on 06/16/2014 6:38:36 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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Pretty much echos my sentiments as well even though I live in a nice mid-sized provincial town 45 miles from Pittsburgh where college rather than gangster culture dominates.

The last movie I paid to see was D'Souza's documentary 2016: Obama's America. Before that, it was Amazing Grace, circa 2005.

We were planning to go to Clint Eastwood's last baseball movie, but couldn't fit it in the schedule before it left.

28 posted on 06/16/2014 6:39:10 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Macoozie

“Ghost Protocol” was so laughably, horrifically, inconceivably bad I had to turn it off after the first 45 minutes or so.

If that was the high point of Cruise’s last few films, he is in trouble.

He was superb, though, in “Vanilla Sky.”


29 posted on 06/16/2014 6:43:33 AM PDT by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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Russell Crowe and Johnny Depp are both great actors.

The problem is that their agents/managers have put them in crummy movies lately. Actors act, they get offered scripts for movies with big payments associated. Sometimes they have to take roles in movies just to pay the bills.

Matt Damon, Vince Vaughn, Adam Sandler, are not good actors. I have never seen an Adam Sandler movie that I thought was funny. Matt Damon is annoying. Vince Vaughn is the same character in every movie.

George Clooney is also a good actor, but many of his movie are just too slow. He is in a lot of chick flicks. He was very good in “The Descendants”.

Tom Cruise needs to stop making action movies. He is too old. The last good movie he made was the one where he played a contract killer. I can not remember the name.

30 posted on 06/16/2014 6:49:35 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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To: RegulatorCountry

Justin Beeper as James Bond


31 posted on 06/16/2014 6:54:04 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Sherman Logan

Male roles and stars dominate today, whereas back during the horrible days of oppression of women, there were lots of good roles for actresses.


Agree. Today , it appears their is one great actress...

Meryl Streep


32 posted on 06/16/2014 6:54:37 AM PDT by patriotspride
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Adam Sandler is perhaps the saddest one.


Add Nicholas Cage to the list....

But for being related to FF Coppala I doubt he would get the screen time / roles he does


33 posted on 06/16/2014 6:56:33 AM PDT by patriotspride
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To: Macoozie

Edge of Tomorrow looks pretty good. Planning to see it.


34 posted on 06/16/2014 6:59:31 AM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: Macoozie

I’d blame mass production. Every single action movie since 2009 has begun with a super-bass sub-woofer rattling everyone’s brain, followed by non-stop CGI that all looks the same. I just ran my DVDs of The Sand Pebbles and the original Flight of the Phoenix. Just pure story-telling and great acting. We don’t see any of this in contemporary films. Bleh. Movie theaters are running on $150M ad campaigns and inertia.


35 posted on 06/16/2014 7:05:48 AM PDT by pabianice (LINE)
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To: upchuck
And the popcorn and soda is just as good and costs MUCH less :)

I'm with you on the "wait until I can see it at home" thing.
Why soda when you can have any drink you want?
You don't have to drive home when it's over. Another bonus.

36 posted on 06/16/2014 7:10:43 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: GSWarrior
Edge of Tomorrow looks pretty good. Planning to see it.

Edge of Tomorrow was very solid, with a good story, acting and effects. I thought Cruise was excellent in it.

37 posted on 06/16/2014 7:17:47 AM PDT by Kharis13 (That noise you hear is our Founding Fathers spinning in their graves.)
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To: Macoozie

Russell Crowe in “A Beautiful Mind” is a movie I’ll never forget. He’s a good actor, and to me— the others can’t measure up. BUT who am I to judge, since I’ve never seen most of them. Damon is OK when he gets the bad guys, but in real life he puts me off. Now I don’t go to movies when the actor ticks me off in the actual world. Their loss.


38 posted on 06/16/2014 7:32:46 AM PDT by Exit148
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To: Exit148

Crowe’s performance in Master and Commander is one of my all time favorites. Followed somewhere in the top 10 with what he did in Gladiator.


39 posted on 06/16/2014 7:38:18 AM PDT by catfish1957 (Face it!!!! The government in DC is full of treasonous bastards)
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To: SampleMan
I often think that having a known star places another hurdle on the storytelling, as the audience must set aside the fact that they already know the person. Instead of easily accepting that they are following the life of say Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg, the audience is constantly reminded that its Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg, as played by Tom Cruise. When the audience doesn't know the actor, they quickly accept the character being genuine without distraction.

Absolutely true. Kevin Spacey has said that he doesn't want people to know anything about his private life because he wants to be seen on screen as the character and not the actor.

40 posted on 06/16/2014 7:38:47 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: lurk
The industry moved away from strong writing and acting, into weak story, weak acting and computer generation.

Hollywood is obsessed with making money in the global marketplace. They only want to make a movie that can be marketable anywhere. That means the script has to be simple enough to be understood even by those with a tenuous understanding of English and/or American culture.

41 posted on 06/16/2014 7:41:19 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden
CGI has in many ways ruined Hollywood action movies as they tend to over rely on them...I have to say that the best shows are not in the movies any longer. T.V. and especially cable T.V. has some of the most ground breaking stuff out there today.

So true there is typically no subtlety at all. CGI like any other tool will take time for people to figure out (I remember the over abundance of synthesized music in the 80s as one example). Some on cable are figuring it out though. If you watch at Game of Thrones they have used a LOT of CGI to provide the locations but it is nearly undetectable unless you are looking for it. Most importantly the producers understand that it should aid the story and not be the focus.

42 posted on 06/16/2014 7:48:00 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: woodbutcher1963

Depp is best in quirky roles like Ed Wood.


43 posted on 06/16/2014 7:49:48 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: GSWarrior
It was interesting that the pre-release trailers made it look like a serious-minded sci-fi thriller. The post release TV ads emphasize light-hearted aspects of the movie, like confusion over temporal paradoxes and that sort of thing.
44 posted on 06/16/2014 8:05:59 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (Health Care Haiku: If You Have a Right / To the Labor I Provide / I Must Be Your Slave)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden
CGI has in many ways ruined Hollywood action movies as they tend to over rely on them. The story is not as important, it’s how much action can we pack into it. In the last few years, there were really only two movies (IMO) that I think were really good. That is “The Book Thief” and “The Grand Budapest Hotel”. They were good stories and the biggest actor in either of them is Ralph Fiennes who is not a top tier actor.

I've seen "The Book Thief" and agree that it's very good. I've not yet seen "The Grand Budapest Hotel", but I'll take a look soon. I thought "The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel" was fairly well done (and it had an excellent British cast). Just yesterday I saw "Chef" and couldn't help but notice that despite the lack of gratuitous sex and violence, excessive computerized graphics and so on, it was a pretty darned good movie. Too bad Tom Cruise's latest effort was playing right next door, with its intrusive thumping explosions.

Learned something else yesterday - there's a smartphone app that tells you what times during any given movies are best for bathroom breaks. Finally, all this technology pays off. :-/

45 posted on 06/16/2014 8:49:26 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Macoozie

None of these guys do movies that I would pay to see. No superhero or giant mosnter in any of them. LOL

I do understand that Godzilla’s career is taking a nose dive also. After so well in his last incarnation this one has not received good reviews.


46 posted on 06/16/2014 8:51:06 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: Hardastarboard

Hey, there’s no agreeing allowed on FR! ;-)


47 posted on 06/16/2014 8:52:08 AM PDT by dangus
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"I thought "The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel" was fairly well done"

I have not seen that but I believe it's on HBO right now. I'll have to take a look.
48 posted on 06/16/2014 9:13:57 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Haiku Guy

I saw edge of tomorrow and “waste” was not what came to mind when Emily Blunt was looking buff.


49 posted on 06/16/2014 9:15:01 AM PDT by Williams
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To: Straight Vermonter
"If you watch at Game of Thrones they have used a LOT of CGI to provide the locations but it is nearly undetectable unless you are looking for it."

I do watch the Game of Thrones and outside of the gratiutious sex in the first two seasons I think it's been brilliant. It has all the dynamics that used to be in movies. A good plot, good character development and character arcs. I think the one main thing about characters now days in movies is most of them are one dimensional and so predictable.
50 posted on 06/16/2014 9:17:06 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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