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(Spoiler) Did you watch The Game of Thrones Season 4 finale (vanity)

Posted on 06/16/2014 1:31:25 PM PDT by lulu16

Anyone feel sad that The Hound was left to die? He was one of my favorite characters, and I could not bear to see him beaten by Brianne. I think they should have at least referred to how weak he was by his previous wound that he would not let Anya ( spoiled, self-centered brat) cauterized. The Hound was always her champion and defender, loyal and even loving in his way. Killing the butcher's boy was because he was following Joffrey's order. And it was his choice, to find and save her sister, and because of that Anya (the user), should have forgiven him and taken it off her death list.

I also felt kind of weepy when Ygritte was on her pyre, her white shoulder and profile so pretty.

"You know nothing, Jon Snow."

I liked the practicality of Mance's position, and how he was easy with Jon Snow, and how they toasted their dead that was from the North.

Stannis army was a big surprise, and the formation of his troops on the overhead shot was spectacular, even though they weren't dressed for the cold weather.

I don't give a fig about Cercei, but doesn't Jamie know she is using him.

What about the Mountain. Is he dead or just mostly dead?

And why did Dany punish the two good dragons? I miss Ser Jorah at her side.

Tyrell dying on the throne.

I look forward to the Tyrion and Pycelle road show.


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1 posted on 06/16/2014 1:31:25 PM PDT by lulu16
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To: lulu16

I don’t think she was punishing the two dragons—she was preventing them from going rogue like the black dragon did.


2 posted on 06/16/2014 1:35:34 PM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: lulu16

Thanks for putting a spoiler right on the front page.


3 posted on 06/16/2014 1:44:34 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: lulu16

A lot of little things have been changed from the books. In my opinion, for the worse.

In the book Shae tells Tyrion she is glad to see him and he kills her anyway for betraying him. In the show, they couldn’t allow that ambiguity so they had Shae try to kill Tyrion.

They also change the reason Tyrion kills his father. It was because they told Tyrion his wife was a whore and they drove her from the city. Jamie was supposed to tell Tyrion the truth, that his wife really loved him and was not a whore.

But in the show, Tyrion kills Tywin for calling Shae a whore, but Tyrion had just killed Shae. I don’t see how these changes made the show better. They are trying to “simplify” everyone’s motives for the tv audience.

In the book when Arya refuses to kill the Hound in mercy she says “you should have saved my mother”.

It’s Tyrion and Varys on the ship together, not Pycelle.


4 posted on 06/16/2014 1:46:11 PM PDT by Williams
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Spoiler Alert!

If they follow the book he isn’t dead.


5 posted on 06/16/2014 1:47:05 PM PDT by Williams
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To: lulu16

I was pissed at the Hound vs Brienne fight. She wouldn’t stand a chance again him if he were full strength. They did a lot of foreshadowing of his wounds in previous episodes at least.
I don’t think he’s dead, both in the show and the books. GRRM shows you the death of the character and if they intentionally shy away from it there is a reason.
I agree though that this episode felt very rushed, and I didn’t enjoy some of the pivotal parts as much as I should have. They really need to move to at least 12 episode seasons.


6 posted on 06/16/2014 1:47:52 PM PDT by miliantnutcase
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To: Williams

A double spoiler. Gee thanks.


7 posted on 06/16/2014 1:48:02 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I am sorry. And I don’t know how to change the title.


8 posted on 06/16/2014 1:48:25 PM PDT by lulu16 (May the Good Lord take a liking to you!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

So stop reading the thread


9 posted on 06/16/2014 1:49:20 PM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce

I don’t think she was punishing the two dragons—she was preventing them from going rogue like the black dragon did.

**By chaining them up, she kinda is punishing/preventing at the same time? & I think she feels guilty..


10 posted on 06/16/2014 1:51:02 PM PDT by rainee (Her)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Not a real spoiler because they may not follow the book. It’s also slightly ambiguous in the book. In the book there is no Brienne/ Hound fight. I guess they decided the Hound deserved (at least) one last good fight.

As to people who think Brienne could not beat the Hound, no basis for that. They are two unstoppable characters.


11 posted on 06/16/2014 1:51:08 PM PDT by Williams
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To: ShadowAce

You don’t have to open the thread to see spoilers. They are right on the front page. I didn’t file a complaint. I just registered my displeasure to the OP. Then somebody responds with more spoilers. Nothing but richards around here.


12 posted on 06/16/2014 1:51:15 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: lulu16

your title seems ok

you might ask the moderator to put “spoiler alert in the title or add it to your first comment.


13 posted on 06/16/2014 1:52:14 PM PDT by morphing libertarian ( On to impeachment and removal (IRS, Taliban, Fast and furious, VA, Benghazi)!!!)
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To: morphing libertarian

How do I contact the moderator? Thank-you.


14 posted on 06/16/2014 1:53:42 PM PDT by lulu16 (May the Good Lord take a liking to you!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Look on the bright side, maybe I made it all up.

This isn’t really a spoiler but the Third Book is the best. The next two books kind of meander around, as GRRM expanded his original 3 book project to 7, and has hinted he might keep going for 8.

Stuff does happen in the next two books, but it takes a long time. Probably enough to be condensed on tv.


15 posted on 06/16/2014 1:54:33 PM PDT by Williams
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To: lulu16

post to Admin Moderator

or hit abuse button and make the request


16 posted on 06/16/2014 1:55:16 PM PDT by morphing libertarian ( On to impeachment and removal (IRS, Taliban, Fast and furious, VA, Benghazi)!!!)
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To: lulu16

There’s been too much foreshadowing of the Hound’s hatred for his brother, the Mountain to let him die now.

I think we’ll see him again.

Satisfying that Aria is on a boat to Brazos and that Tyrian dealt with his father on the crapper.


17 posted on 06/16/2014 1:57:39 PM PDT by Rebelbase (Tagline: optional, printed after your name on post)
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To: ShadowAce

I like the irony of Danerys freeing the slaves but enslaving the dragons.


18 posted on 06/16/2014 1:59:37 PM PDT by Rebelbase (Tagline: optional, printed after your name on post)
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To: lulu16
Spoilers ahead

The Hound may not be dead. There was no fight between The Hound and Brienne, but Brienne does see somebody during her search for Sansa that many readers are pretty sure is The Hound, AFTER his apparent death, serving as a simple monk.

The Mountain is another maybe. The poison on the spear was a horrible one and The Mountain died in agony. However, Cersei's new pet non-Maester took the body for his studies, and later a new member of the King's Guard shows up - a HUGE man who never removes his helmet. Note that this is AFTER the apparent beheading of The Mountain.

I was a little saddened at the changes in Tyrion's escape and Tywin's death. Jamie, while freeing Tyrion, admitted the young girl Tyrion had married at age 16 was NOT a whore - that was a story Tywin demanded be told to force Tyrion to divorce the girl. That girl loved Tyrion, and when Tyrion demanded to know where she was sent, Tywin said "Wherever whores go" and got a crossbow bolt through the groin for his troubles. Tyrion hates Jamie now because Jamie was in on the secret and had lied to Tyrion all these years. As for Shae, in the book she was NOT in love in Tyrion but was a gold-digger, and her betrayal of Tyrion and showing up in Tywin's bed enraged Tyrion into strangling her.

19 posted on 06/16/2014 1:59:40 PM PDT by AzSteven ("War is less costly than servitude, the choice is always between Verdun and Dachau." Jean Dutourd)
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To: lulu16

I say good riddance to The Hound. Glad Arya took the money bag off him. Good riddance to Tywin Lannister too. I’m looking forward to Cersei Lannister being done away with at some point, although I wonder whose hand it will be by? Arya’s? Sansa’s?


20 posted on 06/16/2014 2:02:27 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: morphing libertarian

I made the request to the moderator.

Now let keep having fun.

Brienne should have given Arya that wolf-shaped cake.


21 posted on 06/16/2014 2:02:56 PM PDT by lulu16 (May the Good Lord take a liking to you!)
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To: Williams

My justification is the Hound could easily block his brother’s swings during the 1st season episode. I don’t see Brienne being able to stand up like that to the Mountain.


22 posted on 06/16/2014 2:04:26 PM PDT by miliantnutcase
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To: mass55th

Arya learned that lesson from the Hound, when he took the money off that man who was dying.

“Do you remember where the heart is?” That plea was so sad.

Maybe Tommen will kill his mom. Killing family seems to be familial trait.


23 posted on 06/16/2014 2:05:17 PM PDT by lulu16 (May the Good Lord take a liking to you!)
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To: lulu16

I never seen a show where so many characters die. Keeps it moving and interesting. I will not read the books until the TV series is played out. I want to view each episode without spoilers.


24 posted on 06/16/2014 2:05:39 PM PDT by morphing libertarian ( On to impeachment and removal (IRS, Taliban, Fast and furious, VA, Benghazi)!!!)
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To: AzSteven

It’s going to be a long time between the next season. Now I will have to read for myself what you have explained.

Martin really is a genius storyteller.


25 posted on 06/16/2014 2:06:57 PM PDT by lulu16 (May the Good Lord take a liking to you!)
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To: miliantnutcase

The outcome of the Hound/ Mountain is in doubt because the fight was stopped but you have a valid point.

Again, if the show had followed the book you would have seen Brienne climbing a cliff and throwing boulders down to sink ships that were pursuing her and Jamie. So she’s plenty tough.


26 posted on 06/16/2014 2:09:12 PM PDT by Williams
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To: miliantnutcase

I was screaming at the TV last week during the battle at the Wall. Those tracking shots showing movement throughout really made you feel you were there.

I would also like extended scenes and more episodes. And I would really like to be assured that Martin has and end in mind.


27 posted on 06/16/2014 2:09:19 PM PDT by lulu16 (May the Good Lord take a liking to you!)
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To: lulu16

bump


28 posted on 06/16/2014 2:09:52 PM PDT by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: morphing libertarian

Maybe the cast and storylines will have to expand more. I do not think that I can stand any more contraction.

I did not feel anything for Prince Oberon, although, he did remind me of that character in the Princess Bride , “Montoya, Montoya, and I am here to kill you.” I have seem to have a second sense when to avert my eyes when really gruesome things start to happen.

But I would gladly have something awful befall the Ramsey bastard and I am glad sex-starved Lysa and her awful milk-full teats were thrown down the moon door.


29 posted on 06/16/2014 2:14:32 PM PDT by lulu16 (May the Good Lord take a liking to you!)
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To: lulu16

The battle at the wall episode was some of the best TV fictional battle ever produced. I stood for the entire episode... I’m sure that’s where the majority of the season’s budget went lol.


30 posted on 06/16/2014 2:16:06 PM PDT by miliantnutcase
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To: Rebelbase

I thought that shot of Stannis and the Onion Knight coming into the bay of Braavos was simply stunning with that monumnet of the soldier astride like a colossus between two splits of land.


31 posted on 06/16/2014 2:18:08 PM PDT by lulu16 (May the Good Lord take a liking to you!)
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To: miliantnutcase

I barely remember how great I thought the battle of Blackwater was.

I keep telling my husband that even with multi-billion dollar budget, movies like, oh, I don’t know, like The Pirates of the Caribbean, (which also has no discernable storyline) can’t match GoT for drama and imagery.


32 posted on 06/16/2014 2:21:16 PM PDT by lulu16 (May the Good Lord take a liking to you!)
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To: lulu16

My motto is he best breasts stay in the cast. Everything else is negotiable.

From a male perspective that is. I did once date a lady with a very nice pairing of mammaries. However I noticed she noticed the other women’s set before I did. I just looked to see where she was looking.

On to Kings Landing and let the dragons fly ahead.

I like the dragon mother and her army, but I know there’s a history in Westeros of slaying dragons. Do I look for her to be defeated in the long run.


33 posted on 06/16/2014 2:21:50 PM PDT by morphing libertarian ( On to impeachment and removal (IRS, Taliban, Fast and furious, VA, Benghazi)!!!)
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To: morphing libertarian

LOL “the”


34 posted on 06/16/2014 2:22:18 PM PDT by morphing libertarian ( On to impeachment and removal (IRS, Taliban, Fast and furious, VA, Benghazi)!!!)
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To: lulu16

I felt the episode was hurried in trying to close story lines, felt the whole thing was anticlimactic.

But.....

Brianne could never take the Hound, especially if he wasn’t injured. It’s unconfirmed, but that “battle” didn’t take place in the books and it was never made clear that he died either, so think what you will.

No I didn’t get all misty over roasted Ygritte, but I’m a guy, I preferred the cave scene.....

Stannis wasn’t a surprise because the red witch told him he had to be the one. The poor wildlings are trying to escape the white walkers so they are desperate.

Cercei will power grab and thats why Pycelle hit the road with the half man, basically “I’m out”. He knows a major $h!t storm is fixing to hit.

I’m sure what Doc Frankenstein is doing to the Mountain, but his “He’ll be changed” doesn’t sound like a good thing.
Perhaps he’ll be Cercei’s Hodor, ouch, perhaps another man Bran can control.

I liked the Elvis death Tyrell had, couldn’t have happened to a nicer character.

Little Missy is fixing to have problems all around, Dragons, Kingdoms and I want to go back to being a slave people. Mistake tossing your adviser, perhaps he’ll go back and be the Kings hand??? As an FYI, she’s going to be the new Sarah Conner in the Terminator reboot.

Stop Hate’n on Arya, she’s my favorite with vengeance as her operating system. Her trip to find the face changing guy will be an interesting new line.

Bran’s story is the one I’m most interested in, I can’t make you walk again, but you will fly. As long as he doesn’t become captain planet, then that will be interesting.

All I know is it’s a long time till the next season, just glad I’ve got the Walking Dead to look forward to.


35 posted on 06/16/2014 2:22:37 PM PDT by 12th_Monkey (One man one vote is a big fail, when the "one" man is an idiot.)
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To: Williams

Yes, it is Varys, and I remember the parallel of having that evil sorcerer who cut him as a child, was also stored in a box, like Tyrion is.

Well, you do what you know.

What’s so big about being called a whore in this series? Shae called herself a whore. Little Finger is a whore procurer and he got to wed the regent in the vale. Sam put her sweetheart in a whorehouse, thinking she would be safe there.

Your explanation makes more sense, that it was vengeance for his first wife, who really did love him.


36 posted on 06/16/2014 2:27:46 PM PDT by lulu16 (May the Good Lord take a liking to you!)
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To: mass55th

Without revealing a major spoiler, Cersei will slowly do herself in by her own bungling as her Son, the King’s right hand. Its going to catch up to her as she realizes that she isn’t as wise or better yet shrewd as her father or anyone else in the Lancaster’s lot


37 posted on 06/16/2014 2:28:28 PM PDT by Bigtigermike
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To: morphing libertarian

Apparently the Mother of Dragons is not going to let her breasts be shown again.

It’s terrible, but I was actually quite disappointed in them. That’s why nudity takes us out of the story;it becomes not about character but biology. (lol)

Her figure looks much better in clothes.

(Maybe I should delete this remark. Oh, well,..,)


38 posted on 06/16/2014 2:32:38 PM PDT by lulu16 (May the Good Lord take a liking to you!)
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To: lulu16

she was not number 1, but hey we take what we can get.


39 posted on 06/16/2014 2:36:05 PM PDT by morphing libertarian ( On to impeachment and removal (IRS, Taliban, Fast and furious, VA, Benghazi)!!!)
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To: 12th_Monkey

Not only The Walking Dead, but for real laughs, let’s see what Under the Dome has to offer this second season. I found so many plot holes in the first, I found it kind of a hoot.

As you are a guy and prefer the cave scene, I liked the face of the original Jaquen H’Ghar with his streaky-hair and French accent.

“Give a man a name”

All men must die.Valar Morghulis

All men must serve. Valar Dohaeris


40 posted on 06/16/2014 2:41:11 PM PDT by lulu16 (May the Good Lord take a liking to you!)
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To: ShadowAce

The collars on her dragons and the collars the former slave wanted to wear again. Very good parallel in the story.

That shot, where she looked over her shoulder at them before she closed the catacombs,wow!


41 posted on 06/16/2014 2:44:47 PM PDT by lulu16 (May the Good Lord take a liking to you!)
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To: Bigtigermike

Tyrion actually did Cersei a favor by killing Tywin. Now she doesn’t have to marry Loras. I haven’t read any of the books, but have been enjoying the series.


42 posted on 06/16/2014 2:53:43 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: lulu16

7.1 million viewers for the first hour. 9.3 million for the first hour, plus the two encore hours.

==

3 cheers for Jamie rescuing Tyrion.

I would not count the Hound out completely yet. Frequently, those old timers have a way of coming back to life.

The battle scene surrounding Bran Stark was intense. We will probably see much more of that next season.

They need more episodes and less time between seasons.


43 posted on 06/16/2014 2:56:53 PM PDT by TomGuy
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I was totally in the moment when they were crossing to their sacred tree. Hands popping out of the ground never fail to startle me.

I really felt for Meera having to mercy kill her brother Jojen. She was devoted to protecting him. I think the fireballs not only insured that he would not re-animate but killed those skeleton soldiers.

What were those things exactly? White Walkers, Wights, the bones of the First Men.

Incredible stats. I wonder if the same people who were watching the finale were not the same as the basketball game watchers. (Splint in my house.)


44 posted on 06/16/2014 3:01:39 PM PDT by lulu16 (May the Good Lord take a liking to you!)
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To: lulu16

Will there be a season five? YES! And Season Six!


45 posted on 06/16/2014 3:05:23 PM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: mass55th

It helps her in not marrying Lora’s but she is ultimately doom to be an embarrassment according to the book as the head of the family


46 posted on 06/16/2014 3:06:46 PM PDT by Bigtigermike
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To: Bigtigermike

Thanks for the heads-up. I’m looking forward to it!


47 posted on 06/16/2014 3:10:01 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: Bigtigermike

I thought it was funny when she called Loras “a renown pillow biter.”

I wonder if that line is in the book. Of what a read in the book, Loras was not sharing Renly’s linen.

Tyrel made it known, she was not as clever as she thought. Being a lush can do that to you.


48 posted on 06/16/2014 3:12:15 PM PDT by lulu16 (May the Good Lord take a liking to you!)
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To: mass55th

Cersei could just as likely be killed by a Tyrell loyalist, in response to all the suspicion Cersei has of them and blame she’s assigned them.
Saying that Margery has her claws in her son(s).
The Tyrell coin left at the scene of Tywin’s murder (in the books) to sow discord.
With Cersei continually creating chaos and Tyrells invested in keeping their girl married to the guy on the throne (and the boy on the throne), they might kill Cersei in order to secure the throne.
Especially with Cersei’s threat to end everything by telling the truth about her children’s parentage.


49 posted on 06/16/2014 3:43:08 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: lulu16
And I would really like to be assured that Martin has and end in mind.

'Game of Thrones' Showrunners Know How George R.R. Martin's Books End

'Game of Thrones' producers: George R.R. Martin's secret ending is 'absolutely' satisfying

50 posted on 06/16/2014 3:57:00 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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