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Survival Among Humans
SHTF School ^ | 6/16/14 | Selco

Posted on 06/16/2014 3:20:41 PM PDT by Kartographer

People do not want to watch or think about bad things, people want to forget that, and yes, at the end there comes again that famous „it cannot happen to us“ idea.

Do you really think that when (not if) SHTF events would be much different in your part of the world? Do you think that when collapse happens, you and people around you in your town will be somehow able to organize food distribution, security and safety for residents, and all those criminals and sick bastards will somehow disappear, and there is going to be new better society? Are you under the influence of movies and you think that good guys win almost always and that there is justice and sense in everything?

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When Selco speaks wise preppers listen
1 posted on 06/16/2014 3:20:41 PM PDT by Kartographer
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers’ PING!!


2 posted on 06/16/2014 3:21:05 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer
criminals and sick bastards will somehow disappear,

I'm wondering if there will be a bag limit, or a bounty... Because I like hunting.

/johnny

3 posted on 06/16/2014 3:25:10 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Kartographer

The best prepper is one who is saved by the blood of Jesus, the Son of God and Messiah of Israel!


4 posted on 06/16/2014 3:27:11 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler
The BEST prepper is he who has been save and obeys the law:

But if any provide not for his own, and especially for those of his own house, he has denied the faith, and is worse than an unbeliever. 1 Timothy 5:8
5 posted on 06/16/2014 3:40:38 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Star Traveler
"The best prepper is one who is saved by the blood of Jesus..."

Yes, we know Who we belong to, but until He returns, we are stuck here, among the animals (Romans 1).
God would want us to be prepared - if we become victims we get dead and cannot spread the Gospel.

6 posted on 06/16/2014 3:42:36 PM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: Kartographer

The old adage, “Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers” is always something to keep in mind and I remind my kids often. Even good people can be caught up in the very real danger of an angry mob.

Mobs can form in seconds and last for minutes to hours or days, months and years. A sporting event or political rally can turn deadly. Black Friday sales have killed many.

Preparing mentally for getting away from a situation quickly is something to give thought to whenever one is in a gathering of strangers. Civilization stops abruptly when the lights fail or shots ring through a crowd. Have a plan in any crowded area for effective retreat or concealment if escape is restricted.

Selco is always thought provoking.


7 posted on 06/16/2014 3:48:37 PM PDT by outofsalt
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To: Kartographer

I’m only interested in surviving with a country.

All others get Beechnut in their eyes...


8 posted on 06/16/2014 4:15:21 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Star Traveler

You’ll still need a knife and a .45, cuz a country boy can survive. ..


9 posted on 06/16/2014 4:17:13 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Star Traveler
The best prepper is one who is saved by the blood of Jesus, the Son of God and Messiah of Israel!

Remember the old adage: The Lord Helps Those Who Help Themselves

It doesn't hurt to give HIM a little assistance either.


10 posted on 06/16/2014 4:22:30 PM PDT by Iron Munro (The Obamas' Black skin has morphed into Teflon thanks to the Obama Media)
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To: Iron Munro
It doesn't hurt to give HIM a little assistance either.

Sell your coat, and buy a sword.

11 posted on 06/16/2014 4:23:50 PM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: tacticalogic
buy a sword

And plenty of ammo for it.

12 posted on 06/16/2014 4:29:22 PM PDT by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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To: grobdriver
And plenty of ammo for it.

And maybe a small machine shop for maintenance and repair. Never know when you might need a new hilt.

13 posted on 06/16/2014 4:33:31 PM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: Iron Munro

I know the saying, but unfortunately, it’s just not found in the Bible. I would put that one down to human wisdom, and not try to make it something that God actually conveys to us.

I personally have all sorts of “good sayings” that I think are really good, but I would never try to make them to be the mind of God.


14 posted on 06/16/2014 4:33:51 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

Do you work now? Do you have insurance now? Do you plan for tomorrow?

If you do any of those things then you must not trust in God.


15 posted on 06/16/2014 4:34:04 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Star Traveler
I have a saying it goes:

Better the death of Masada than the death of Auschwitz.
16 posted on 06/16/2014 4:47:39 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: driftdiver

Proverbs 3

5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding;

6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct your paths.

7 Do not be wise in your own eyes; Fear the Lord and depart from evil.

8 It will be health to your flesh, And strength to your bones.

9 Honor the Lord with your possessions, And with the firstfruits of all your increase;

10 So your barns will be filled with plenty, And your vats will overflow with new wine.

It’s all in the PRIORITIES. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and His Son, Jesus the Messiah of Israel is to be first priority ... and all else will fall into place by His good grace.

Luke 12

22 Then He said to His disciples, “Therefore I say to you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat; nor about the body, what you will put on.

23 Life is more than food, and the body is more than clothing.

24 Consider the ravens, for they neither sow nor reap, which have neither storehouse nor barn; and God feeds them. Of how much more value are you than the birds?

25 And which of you by worrying can add one cubit to his stature?

26 If you then are not able to do the least, why are you anxious for the rest?

27 Consider the lilies, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin; and yet I say to you, even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.

28 If then God so clothes the grass, which today is in the field and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, how much more will He clothe you, O you of little faith?

29 And do not seek what you should eat or what you should drink, nor have an anxious mind.

30 For all these things the nations of the world seek after, and your Father knows that you need these things.

31 But seek the kingdom of God, and all these things shall be added to you.


17 posted on 06/16/2014 4:50:01 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: driftdiver
If you do any of those things then you must not trust in God.

Oh, bullsh*t!

18 posted on 06/16/2014 4:50:33 PM PDT by Gritty (The war is over. We won. - Michael Yon, Top Iraq War Correspondent, 07/21/2008)
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To: Star Traveler

I guess these people just don’t have the faith you have:

30 Christians Slaughtered as Sectarian Violence Plagues the Central African Republic

http://www.charismanews.com/world/44026-30-christians-slaughtered-as-sectarian-violence-plagues-the-central-african-republic

Christians flee as violence spreads to northern Iraqi cities

http://www.bpnews.net/42786/christians-flee-as-violence-spreads-to-northern-iraqi-cities

48 Kenyans slaughtered by Islamic extremists: police

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/16/48-kenyans-slaughtered-islamic-extremists-police/


19 posted on 06/16/2014 4:56:34 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

The book of Job, chapter 1

1 There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was blameless and upright, and one who feared God and shunned evil.

2 And seven sons and three daughters were born to him.

3 Also, his possessions were seven thousand sheep, three thousand camels, five hundred yoke of oxen, five hundred female donkeys, and a very large household, so that this man was the greatest of all the people of the East.

4 And his sons would go and feast in their houses, each on his appointed day, and would send and invite their three sisters to eat and drink with them.

5 So it was, when the days of feasting had run their course, that Job would send and sanctify them, and he would rise early in the morning and offer burnt offerings according to the number of them all. For Job said, “It may be that my sons have sinned and cursed God in their hearts.” Thus Job did regularly.

6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them.

7 And the Lord said to Satan, “From where do you come?” So Satan answered the Lord and said, “From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking back and forth on it.”

8 Then the Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered My servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, one who fears God and shuns evil?”

9 So Satan answered the Lord and said, “Does Job fear God for nothing?

10 Have You not made a hedge around him, around his household, and around all that he has on every side? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land.

11 But now, stretch out Your hand and touch all that he has, and he will surely curse You to Your face!”

12 And the Lord said to Satan, “Behold, all that he has is in your power; only do not lay a hand on his person.” So Satan went out from the presence of the Lord.

13 Now there was a day when his sons and daughters were eating and drinking wine in their oldest brother’s house;

14 and a messenger came to Job and said, “The oxen were plowing and the donkeys feeding beside them,

15 when the Sabeans raided them and took them away—indeed they have killed the servants with the edge of the sword; and I alone have escaped to tell you!”

16 While he was still speaking, another also came and said, “The fire of God fell from heaven and burned up the sheep and the servants, and consumed them; and I alone have escaped to tell you!”

17 While he was still speaking, another also came and said, “The Chaldeans formed three bands, raided the camels and took them away, yes, and killed the servants with the edge of the sword; and I alone have escaped to tell you!”

18 While he was still speaking, another also came and said, “Your sons and daughters were eating and drinking wine in their oldest brother’s house,

19 and suddenly a great wind came from across the wilderness and struck the four corners of the house, and it fell on the young people, and they are dead; and I alone have escaped to tell you!”

20 Then Job arose, tore his robe, and shaved his head; and he fell to the ground and worshiped.

21 And he said: “Naked I came from my mother’s womb, And naked shall I return there. The Lord gave, and the Lord has taken away; Blessed be the name of the Lord.”

22 In all this Job did not sin nor charge God with wrong.


20 posted on 06/16/2014 5:00:29 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Gritty

Using his logic.


21 posted on 06/16/2014 5:02:57 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Star Traveler

Why did Joseph store 7 years of grain?

Yeah, you’ve already been given the verses. You’re a hypocrite.


22 posted on 06/16/2014 5:04:09 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

Here’s the logic ...

Luke 14 ...

15 Now when one of those who sat at the table with Him heard these things, he said to Him, “Blessed is he who shall eat bread in the kingdom of God!”

16 Then He said to him, “A certain man gave a great supper and invited many,

17 and sent his servant at supper time to say to those who were invited, ‘Come, for all things are now ready.’

18 But they all with one accord began to make excuses. The first said to him, ‘I have bought a piece of ground, and I must go and see it. I ask you to have me excused.’

19 And another said, ‘I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I am going to test them. I ask you to have me excused.’

20 Still another said, ‘I have married a wife, and therefore I cannot come.’

21 So that servant came and reported these things to his master. Then the master of the house, being angry, said to his servant, ‘Go out quickly into the streets and lanes of the city, and bring in here the poor and the maimed and the lame and the blind.’

22 And the servant said, ‘Master, it is done as you commanded, and still there is room.’

23 Then the master said to the servant, ‘Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.

24 For I say to you that none of those men who were invited shall taste my supper.’ “

25 Now great multitudes went with Him. And He turned and said to them,

26 “If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple.

27 And whoever does not bear his cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple.

28 For which of you, intending to build a tower, does not sit down first and count the cost, whether he has enough to finish it—

29 lest, after he has laid the foundation, and is not able to finish, all who see it begin to mock him,

30 saying, ‘This man began to build and was not able to finish.’

31 Or what king, going to make war against another king, does not sit down first and consider whether he is able with ten thousand to meet him who comes against him with twenty thousand?

32 Or else, while the other is still a great way off, he sends a delegation and asks conditions of peace.

33 So likewise, whoever of you does not forsake all that he has cannot be My disciple.

34 “Salt is good; but if the salt has lost its flavor, how shall it be seasoned?

35 It is neither fit for the land nor for the dunghill, but men throw it out. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!”


23 posted on 06/16/2014 5:10:13 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Iron Munro

God is giving us food now, money to prepare, and knowledge. IMO he expects us to provide for our families and take care of ourselves using what he provides.


24 posted on 06/16/2014 5:11:13 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

Joseph gave the reason ... he said to his brothers that they meant it for evil but God meant it for good.

It was to preserve the LINE OF THE MESSIAH of Israel, as God had promised (to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) and to show God’s power and wisdom to the world and that He IS GOD ALMIGHTY knowing the beginning from the end and NOTHING can thwart His will.


25 posted on 06/16/2014 5:14:20 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

Romans 16:17 ESV

I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them.

2 Peter 2:1-3 ESV

But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed. And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.

1 John 4:1 ESV

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.

1 John 4:1-3 ESV

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already.

1 Timothy 6:20-21 ESV

O Timothy, guard the deposit entrusted to you. Avoid the irreverent babble and contradictions of what is falsely called “knowledge,” for by professing it some have swerved from the faith. Grace be with you.

Colossians 2:8 ESV

See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ.

Titus 3:9 ESV

But avoid foolish controversies, genealogies, dissensions, and quarrels about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.

John 14:6 ESV

Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.


26 posted on 06/16/2014 5:15:50 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Star Traveler

I agree.Until He returns however I have a duty to protect my family,to the death if required.


27 posted on 06/16/2014 5:17:27 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: driftdiver

It doesn’t pay to be accusing the Word of God as something that comes from a false prophet ... as all those quotes are straight from His inerrant and infallible Word and in full context.


28 posted on 06/16/2014 5:20:27 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Kartographer

People in Kenya will walk 3-4 days just to hear a preacher.


29 posted on 06/16/2014 5:20:56 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Star Traveler

Amen!


30 posted on 06/16/2014 5:21:05 PM PDT by k4gypsyrose
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To: Star Traveler

No accusing the Word of God of being false.

I’m accusing YOU of being false and of using the Word to spread dissension. You ignore verse which doesn’t suit your agenda and certainly are taking those verses out of context.

Again, do you work? Do you have insurance? Do you save money for tomorrow or spend everything each day?

nuff said, go be a troll somewhere else.


31 posted on 06/16/2014 5:24:02 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Star Traveler

God gave man free will that includes act of evil. My free will tells me to stand against those acts.


32 posted on 06/16/2014 5:24:07 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Farmer Dean

Note that God can remove your entire family from you, in an instant, and for His own good will. See Post #20 and #23 ...


33 posted on 06/16/2014 5:25:00 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: driftdiver

It’s just the Word of God in those posts ... and it speaks for itself.


34 posted on 06/16/2014 5:26:41 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Kartographer

That is quite a forum. They take their “prepping” seriously! I enjoyed reading it and saw the comments about getting home if away when shtf.

Thanks to FReepers that “go back pack” plan came to me and I had a chance to prepare.

I have no neighbors who are preparing( from their comments and my observations) and I must plan to stand and survive alone. They totally are within the Normalcy Curve.


35 posted on 06/16/2014 5:27:43 PM PDT by 3D-JOY
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To: Kartographer

Job stood against evil, as God tells us there.


36 posted on 06/16/2014 5:27:52 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

Still,if that doen’t happen I will have to do what I can.I’ve acquired the skill set and tools to do quite a bit,actually.


37 posted on 06/16/2014 5:29:12 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Star Traveler

You still haven’t answered the questions. Do you work? yes, you do. Well then you must not trust in the Lord to provide.

Do you carry insurance? Lack of trust again.

Have any savings? More trust issues

Of course you have all those things. Your actions speak loudly, and your Satan inspired trouble making.


38 posted on 06/16/2014 5:32:14 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Farmer Dean

I’ve always been given this kind of “order of priority” that a Christian would “stand for” with various pastors in various churches ... God, spouse, kids, government.

It’s pretty clear from Scripture that it’s always God first.


39 posted on 06/16/2014 5:32:56 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Farmer Dean

No, were supposed to just sit here and do nothing. Anything else demonstrates a lack of trust in the Lord. Right?


40 posted on 06/16/2014 5:33:05 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

I like your comment. We are provided with the tools.

Perhaps giving us “Knowledge” would come first and ability to put it into action next!


41 posted on 06/16/2014 5:33:39 PM PDT by 3D-JOY
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To: driftdiver

Post #17 answers it from the Word of God ...


42 posted on 06/16/2014 5:34:15 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

You are of the Devil!

Satan knows the Word quite well.


43 posted on 06/16/2014 5:36:22 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: 3D-JOY

You’re probably right, first and most important.


44 posted on 06/16/2014 5:37:51 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Star Traveler

So is God responsible for the acts of evil men or are they responsible? If God stops the acts of evil men how is that free will? Or are everyone that is killed by evil men not saved?


45 posted on 06/16/2014 5:37:56 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: driftdiver

Maybe just the ability to seek and understand what we are able to find?

What gifts we have been given!


46 posted on 06/16/2014 5:40:10 PM PDT by 3D-JOY
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To: Star Traveler

I’d remember that myself if I was you.

Why come to a thread and sow seeds of dissent?

I seem to remember my Pastor saying that Satan has many minions, and always remember that he knows the verses of the Bible as well as any, after all he was a Cheribum who guarded the Mercy Seat first.


47 posted on 06/16/2014 5:40:58 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: Kartographer

Sadly ironic this article begins with

“People do not want to watch or think about bad things, people want to forget that, and yes, at the end there comes again that famous „it cannot happen to us“ idea. “


48 posted on 06/16/2014 5:41:04 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

I have hope that the Lord will return before things get brutally out of hand,but if things go bad before he comes I plan on fighting like a Viking.


49 posted on 06/16/2014 5:43:26 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Farmer Dean

So every Christian who has helped an orphan or the needy is acting contrary to Gods wishes? I don’t think so.

We are to take the resources God gives us and use them wisely, caring for our family and giving charity where we can.

Sometimes that includes fighting like a Viking.


50 posted on 06/16/2014 5:46:24 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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