Skip to comments.Bi-Partisan Committees Discuss Protocols for Inevitable Article V Convention
Posted on 06/18/2014 8:25:27 AM PDT by Rusty0604
An Article V convention, also known as the Convention of States, has quietly become a political inevitability, as state legislators all over the nation consider how to rein in the federal governments unprecedented overreach and abuse.
Last week, a group of over a hundred state legislators most appointed as delegates from their states came from all over the nation to Indiana to prepare for the Convention of States. The legislators, who hailed from thirty-three states, attempted to establish the structure and rules of a convention. Though Article V is clear about Congresss duty to call a convention upon two-thirds of the states passing applications, each convention sets its own rules once it convenes.
Though Convention of States support is mainly comprised of Republicans, Democrats and independents are joining the cause as the IRS scandal, the NSA, privacy concerns, and other instances of federal governments overreach dominate the news.
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Yes. The fact that the word ‘Bipartisan’ coupled with other words like ‘Democrats’ and ‘Independents’ makes me entirely comfortable with this untried process. Yep, I’m just pleased as punch.
You do know congress can also propose new amendments too....
There are a number of screwball amendments they have already prposed.
Article V ping.
Sounds as if they are rolling on this.
I am still apprehensive — until they come up with their list of changes they will be pushing.
I noticed this website: http://conventionofstates.com
The so-called “tea party” is actually comprised of disaffected people from both major parties who want to reign in the Feds. I’m all for it. I say “so-called” because “Tea Party” is often a badly-applied, misleading term, like “racism.” Even “conservative” doesn’t cut the mustard in this case.
Yes Article fivers have no idea what they are asking for. The only reason Dems are joining up is to try to subvert any rollback of the big govt police state.
You can tell when the term has been hijacked by idiots or those with a far left agenda.
Every single one of them make a mistake that those who wish to preserve our freedom never make.
They leave out the “s” in tea parties as if some singular group existed with a unified goal.
There are two ways to propose an amendment to the Constitution.
Article V gives Congress and an Amendments Convention exactly the same power to propose amendments, no more and no less.
Once Congress, or an Amendments Convention, proposes amendments, Congress must decide whether the states will ratify by the:
The State Ratifying Convention Method has only been used twice: once to ratify the Constitution, and once to ratify the 21st Amendment repealing Prohibition.
Depending upon which ratification method is chosen by Congress, either the state legislatures vote up-or-down on the proposed amendment, or the voters elect a state ratifying convention to vote up-or-down. If three-quarters of the states vote to ratify, the amendment becomes part of the Constitution.
Article V contains two explicitly forbidden subjects and one implicitly forbidden subject.
I have two reference works for those interested.
The first is from the American Legislative Exchange Council, a conservative pro-business group. This document has been sent to every state legislator in the country.
The second is a 1973 report from the American Bar Association attempting to identify gray areas in the amendatory process to include an Amendments Convention. It represents the view of the ruling class of 40 years ago. While I dislike some of their conclusions, they have laid out the precedents that may justify those conclusions. What I respect is the comprehensive job they did in locating all the gray areas. They went so far as to identify a gray area that didn't pop up until the Equal Rights Amendment crashed and burned a decade later. Even if you find yourself in disagreement with their vision, it's worth reading to see the view of the ruling class toward the process.
Convention of States - Alabama Way to go Alabama! A good introduction.
'Convention of states' to rein in government? Another great summary explanation.
The Case for an Article V. Convention. Fantastic explanation of Article V convention to the Mass State Legislature.
I would recommend watching the above three videos first and then:
Convention of States Lots of information here.
Article V Project to Restore Liberty Another good source.
A Summary of Mark Levins Proposed Amendments by Jacquerie
Ulysses at the Mast: Democracy, Federalism, and the Sirens' Song of the Seventeenth Amendment by Jay Bybee. Repeal the 17th!
Article V Convention: Path of Least Resistance by Robert Berry
Article V Handbook - for State Legislators An important resource.
State Legislators Article V Caucus State Legislators, Join up at this site!
Send this list of links to your State Representatives and Senators here: Contact your State Legislators.
Excellent Article V Letter to a State Assemblyman by Jacquerie
Lets all work together to get this going.
The Federal Government is broken. We owe it to The Founders and ourselves to attempt a rational Article V amendment process.
We know EXACTLY what we’re getting into... A way the FOUNDERS gave us to save what’s left of the country...
Dems are welcome. Radical Dems even more because as the MINORITY in this process, they will expose themselves even more...
I find it more interesting that you jump on almost EVERY Article V thread and give us your “concerns” but NEVER offer an alternative...
Article V’ers are all ears... If you’re not willing to help, I would respectfully ask that you refrain from posting your “concerns” on these threads...
There’s important, serious work going on trying to save the Republic...
“If youre not willing to help, I would respectfully ask that you refrain from posting your concerns on these threads...”
Since you seem to stalk my comments and by the way its flattering you should know that my solution is very simple. Follow the Constitution specifically the 10th Ammendment state sovereignty. By the way many constitutional experts agree with me. We do not need to be amending the constitution to save the Republic.
I would urge you to simply advocate for the states to nullify all of the illegal and unconstitutional laws, regulations and Eo’s that are being handed down by an out of control Federal govt.
Also you might want to revisit the 1st Amendment which gives even me the right to freely express myself. Or maybe you plan to get rid of that pesky item at your Article V convention. I have no plans to shut up about something I think is a poor idea just so Mark Levin can sell some books.
Thank you for your work on these threads...
Your information has been invaluable when I speak to those about Article V...
“I have no problem with you expressing your opinion no matter how WRONG it may be”
Then why did you just ask me to stop commenting on this thread? You had a problem about a half hour ago until I corrected you.
For your information the reason people voted for the 17th Amendment in the first place is because they were so upset over the cronyism and corruption going on under the policy of the state legislatures selecting the US senators. Now the people who want to repeal the 17th amendment and let the state legislatures go back to selecting the US senators are doing it for the same reason. Its a catch 22.
As long as you have a lawless President and a bureaucracy that is too large and run by Progressives they are not going to follow any amendments to the Constitution anyway. They are totally ignoring the Constitution now.
The states are slowing starting to step up and assert their sovereignty. Its slow but like a snowball it will gain speed along the way.
We’ll just agree to disagree on the methodology...
A repeal of the 17th & term limits will eliminate many problems we have in DC. Many constitutional scholars agree with that opinion.
Unless we have a congress that is willing to take back it’s power from the Executive Branch, the president will continue to consolidate power in both the Executive & Judicial branches... Congress is almost irrelevant now...
Not going to happen before the states return to the senate.
The Framers were realists. They knew from experience that men naturally sought power. It is why they relied on the structure of the government, of power divided between the state and the government they created to secure our rights.
Please list your many constitutional experts.
His EPA has gotten used to doing the same thing, but when individual small property owners were affected, well, it just didn't make headlines.
The screws of arbitrary government tighten every day and we are told to ignore the power the Framers bequeathed to us.
At this moment, state sovereignty exists at the pleasure of Obama and nine blackrobes. They are not even allowed to defend their borders nor define marriage.
You know exactly what I meant.
Is the Federal Government “broken”, or have factions seized control and undermined the structure’s integrity?
With the exception of the structural change of Amend XVII, and the leviathan enabling Amend XVI, it is the controlling factions’ nefarious actions which cause our problems.
Consider carefully this question.
Is the architecture flawed, the blueprint in error? Or are the workers incompetent?
Do we fire the architect or the workers?
And there will be NO, I repeat NO state Executive (Governor) who will tell FedGov to take a hike...
States Right, State sovereignty and the 10th amendment mean NOTHING to today’s Washington Uniparty...
There may be NO reasonable democrats left in DC, but I know at the state level these guys are taking the same beating we are and living though Executive & Judicial branch decisions...
The state legislatures will have to right this ships course...
Exactly. Who can avert his glance to what is right before his eyes?
History will not look well on a people who gaff of their responsibility.
We are following the Constitution when it comes to the 17th amendment. The direct election of senators is 80% of our problem. Without the 17th people like Harry Reid, Ted Kennedy, Mitch McConnel, Lindsey Graham, and every other entrenched self electing celebrities simply don't exist. The Senate is supposed to represent the states, not a millionaire boys club of corrupt snobs playing country.
We are also following the Constitution as it pertains to the commerce clause. This power had narrow meaning when added by the framers. Now the beast in Washington can use it to control everything. We need to REMOVE the commerce clause and let the free market do it's job.
So there you have it. Two areas where the Constitution IS being followed as you prefer and those two areas alone are virtually destroying the republic.
So the Constitution MUST be updated if we are to regain the freedom envisioned by the founders. An Article V convention is the Founders solution to this problem so you are arguing against some pretty well thought out plans by some of the brightest political minds ever to live.
“So the Constitution MUST be updated”
That’s what Barack Obama and his activist Supreme Court Judges want to do.
Ask yourself what would the founding fathers want to do? They would say “use the 10th Amendment” That’s what its there for.
What would the framers want to do? I feel quite certain they would use article V to dismantle the central government cabal. If that failed, I think they would use the 1776 solution and start over. If you are truly asking what they would do simply read the first few paragraphs of the Declaration of Independence. They answered your question directly.
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