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Bi-Partisan Committees Discuss Protocols for Inevitable Article V Convention
Breitbart ^ | 06/18/2014 | Mark Meckler

Posted on 06/18/2014 8:25:27 AM PDT by Rusty0604

An Article V convention, also known as the Convention of States, has quietly become a political inevitability, as state legislators all over the nation consider how to rein in the federal government’s unprecedented overreach and abuse.

Last week, a group of over a hundred state legislators – most appointed as delegates from their states – came from all over the nation to Indiana to prepare for the Convention of States. The legislators, who hailed from thirty-three states, attempted to establish the structure and rules of a convention. Though Article V is clear about Congress’s duty to call a convention upon two-thirds of the states passing applications, each convention sets its own rules once it convenes.

Though Convention of States support is mainly comprised of Republicans, Democrats and independents are joining the cause as the IRS scandal, the NSA, privacy concerns, and other instances of federal government’s overreach dominate the news.

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: articlev; constitution; conventionofstates; government

1 posted on 06/18/2014 8:25:27 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Rusty0604

Yes. The fact that the word ‘Bipartisan’ coupled with other words like ‘Democrats’ and ‘Independents’ makes me entirely comfortable with this untried process. Yep, I’m just pleased as punch.


2 posted on 06/18/2014 8:27:30 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

You do know congress can also propose new amendments too....

There are a number of screwball amendments they have already prposed.


3 posted on 06/18/2014 8:31:21 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: 5thGenTexan; AllAmericanGirl44; Amagi; Art in Idaho; Arthur Wildfire! March; Arthur McGowan; ...

Article V ping.


4 posted on 06/18/2014 8:38:56 AM PDT by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: Rusty0604

Sounds as if they are rolling on this.

I am still apprehensive — until they come up with their list of changes they will be pushing.

I noticed this website: http://conventionofstates.com


5 posted on 06/18/2014 8:40:41 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Rusty0604

The so-called “tea party” is actually comprised of disaffected people from both major parties who want to reign in the Feds. I’m all for it. I say “so-called” because “Tea Party” is often a badly-applied, misleading term, like “racism.” Even “conservative” doesn’t cut the mustard in this case.


6 posted on 06/18/2014 8:43:48 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (Even the compassion of the wicked is cruel.)
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To: Gaffer

Yes Article fivers have no idea what they are asking for. The only reason Dems are joining up is to try to subvert any rollback of the big govt police state.


7 posted on 06/18/2014 9:00:10 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

You can tell when the term has been hijacked by idiots or those with a far left agenda.

Every single one of them make a mistake that those who wish to preserve our freedom never make.

They leave out the “s” in tea parties as if some singular group existed with a unified goal.


8 posted on 06/18/2014 9:03:11 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Fester Chugabrew
Be aware...
Leviathan has an insatiable appetite and he's hungry.
This creature will not go quietly. Leviathan sees this (or will very soon) as a threat to its very existence. All stops will be pulled as this creature fights for its very survival.
This will NOT be a civil "meeting". Treachery will abound and it will be hard to tell friend from foe.
I fully support the Article V convention because its our only hope. Unfortunately, most State office holders view their job as a stepping stone to moving up to the "big money"...Congress and Senate.
9 posted on 06/18/2014 9:07:09 AM PDT by TxAg1981
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To: Gaffer
For all of you skeptics of the Article V convention, I would ask you this. If you are so afraid of a run away state convention, are you also afraid of the run away congress we have now? The Article V Convention of the States simply is a way our founders gave us to reign in big government. This is the only way left to get power back to the states where it belongs and away from disconnected Washington elites and insiders. We the people do not have a say in government anymore. They run roughshod over all of us and thumb their noses at us afterward. I'm for anything that can put a stop to big bloated government. Before you make judgment, please read up on the process. It is not at all simple and will probably take years, but at this point, what do we have to loose?
10 posted on 06/18/2014 9:09:56 AM PDT by katwoman5779
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To: Rusty0604
The amendatory process under Article V consists of three steps: Proposal, Disposal, and Ratification.

Proposal:

There are two ways to propose an amendment to the Constitution.

Article V gives Congress and an Amendments Convention exactly the same power to propose amendments, no more and no less.

Disposal:

Once Congress, or an Amendments Convention, proposes amendments, Congress must decide whether the states will ratify by the:

The State Ratifying Convention Method has only been used twice: once to ratify the Constitution, and once to ratify the 21st Amendment repealing Prohibition.

Ratification:

Depending upon which ratification method is chosen by Congress, either the state legislatures vote up-or-down on the proposed amendment, or the voters elect a state ratifying convention to vote up-or-down. If three-quarters of the states vote to ratify, the amendment becomes part of the Constitution.

Forbidden Subjects:

Article V contains two explicitly forbidden subjects and one implicitly forbidden subject.

Explicitly forbidden:

Implicitly forbidden:

I have two reference works for those interested.

The first is from the American Legislative Exchange Council, a conservative pro-business group. This document has been sent to every state legislator in the country.

Proposing Constitutional Amendments by a Convention of the States: A Handbook for State Lawmakers

The second is a 1973 report from the American Bar Association attempting to identify gray areas in the amendatory process to include an Amendments Convention. It represents the view of the ruling class of 40 years ago. While I dislike some of their conclusions, they have laid out the precedents that may justify those conclusions. What I respect is the comprehensive job they did in locating all the gray areas. They went so far as to identify a gray area that didn't pop up until the Equal Rights Amendment crashed and burned a decade later. Even if you find yourself in disagreement with their vision, it's worth reading to see the view of the ruling class toward the process.

Report of the ABA Special Constitutional Convention Study Committee

11 posted on 06/18/2014 9:14:55 AM PDT by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: Rusty0604
Research links on the Article V process and the Liberty Amendments:

Convention of States - Alabama Way to go Alabama! A good introduction.

'Convention of states' to rein in government? Another great summary explanation.

The Case for an Article V. Convention. Fantastic explanation of Article V convention to the Mass State Legislature.

I would recommend watching the above three videos first and then:

Convention of States Lots of information here.

Article V Project to Restore Liberty Another good source.

A Summary of Mark Levin’s Proposed Amendments by Jacquerie

Chapter 1 of Mark Levin’s Book, The Liberty Amendments

Mark Levin, Constitution Article V, and the Liberty Amendments

Rep. Bill Taylor introduces a Convention of States

Citizens for Self Governance: Convention of States Project – a hub of 15 youtube videos on the Convention of States

Mark Levin Article V, Liberty Amendments youtube video hub

Three hour video of C-Span interview with Mark Levin

Amendments Convention Links

Gaining Steam? Nearly 100 Lawmakers Descend on Mount Vernon to Talk Convention of States The beginning.

Convention to Propose Amendments to the United States Constitution

The Other Way to Amend the Constitution: The Article V Constitutional Convention Amendment Process

Friends of Article V Convention Links

Ulysses at the Mast: Democracy, Federalism, and the Sirens' Song of the Seventeenth Amendment by Jay Bybee. Repeal the 17th!

Article V Convention: Path of Least Resistance by Robert Berry

The Final Constitutional Option

Article V Handbook - for State Legislators An important resource.

State Legislators Article V Caucus State Legislators, Join up at this site!

Send this list of links to your State Representatives and Senators here: Contact your State Legislators.

Sample Letter to state Representatives regarding the Convention of States Project and also, Talking Points. Both from Here.

Excellent Article V Letter to a State Assemblyman by Jacquerie

Let’s all work together to get this going.

The Federal Government is broken. We owe it to The Founders and ourselves to attempt a rational Article V amendment process.

12 posted on 06/18/2014 10:03:00 AM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only Hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

We know EXACTLY what we’re getting into... A way the FOUNDERS gave us to save what’s left of the country...

Dems are welcome. Radical Dems even more because as the MINORITY in this process, they will expose themselves even more...

I find it more interesting that you jump on almost EVERY Article V thread and give us your “concerns” but NEVER offer an alternative...

Article V’ers are all ears... If you’re not willing to help, I would respectfully ask that you refrain from posting your “concerns” on these threads...

There’s important, serious work going on trying to save the Republic...


13 posted on 06/18/2014 10:03:35 AM PDT by bfh333 ("We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality.")
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To: bfh333

“If you’re not willing to help, I would respectfully ask that you refrain from posting your “concerns” on these threads...”

Since you seem to stalk my comments and by the way its flattering you should know that my solution is very simple. Follow the Constitution specifically the 10th Ammendment state sovereignty. By the way many constitutional experts agree with me. We do not need to be amending the constitution to save the Republic.

I would urge you to simply advocate for the states to nullify all of the illegal and unconstitutional laws, regulations and Eo’s that are being handed down by an out of control Federal govt.

Also you might want to revisit the 1st Amendment which gives even me the right to freely express myself. Or maybe you plan to get rid of that pesky item at your Article V convention. I have no plans to shut up about something I think is a poor idea just so Mark Levin can sell some books.


14 posted on 06/18/2014 10:11:49 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
It's hard not to see your comments since you "concern troll" every one of these threads... And don't be flattered... You look silly...

I have no problem with you expressing your opinion no matter how WRONG it may be...

I have asked you more than once for you to tell us which GOVERNOR of a state is going to practice REAL nullification... (crickets)

How is following the Constitution working out for you?

I guess a repeal of the 17th is a bad idea because we would have to amend the Constitution that you value and want to follow yet THAT ONE issue would go a long way in restoring the Republic and returning some state rights...

For the record, I do not own a Mark Levin book... All this information is freely available to those who seek it...


15 posted on 06/18/2014 10:33:00 AM PDT by bfh333 ("We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality.")
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To: Art in Idaho; Publius

Thank you for your work on these threads...

Your information has been invaluable when I speak to those about Article V...


16 posted on 06/18/2014 10:41:23 AM PDT by bfh333 ("We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality.")
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To: bfh333

“I have no problem with you expressing your opinion no matter how WRONG it may be”

Then why did you just ask me to stop commenting on this thread? You had a problem about a half hour ago until I corrected you.

For your information the reason people voted for the 17th Amendment in the first place is because they were so upset over the cronyism and corruption going on under the policy of the state legislatures selecting the US senators. Now the people who want to repeal the 17th amendment and let the state legislatures go back to selecting the US senators are doing it for the same reason. Its a catch 22.

As long as you have a lawless President and a bureaucracy that is too large and run by Progressives they are not going to follow any amendments to the Constitution anyway. They are totally ignoring the Constitution now.

The states are slowing starting to step up and assert their sovereignty. Its slow but like a snowball it will gain speed along the way.


17 posted on 06/18/2014 11:00:21 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

We’ll just agree to disagree on the methodology...

A repeal of the 17th & term limits will eliminate many problems we have in DC. Many constitutional scholars agree with that opinion.

Unless we have a congress that is willing to take back it’s power from the Executive Branch, the president will continue to consolidate power in both the Executive & Judicial branches... Congress is almost irrelevant now...


18 posted on 06/18/2014 11:23:49 AM PDT by bfh333 ("We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality.")
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To: Publius

Welcome back!


19 posted on 06/18/2014 11:58:48 AM PDT by Jacquerie (To restore the 10th Amendment, repeal the 17th. Article V.)
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To: Gaffer
Government with the consent of the governed is not an untried process.
20 posted on 06/18/2014 12:06:04 PM PDT by Jacquerie (To restore the 10th Amendment, repeal the 17th. Article V.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
Follow the Constitution specifically the 10th Ammendment state sovereignty.

Not going to happen before the states return to the senate.

The Framers were realists. They knew from experience that men naturally sought power. It is why they relied on the structure of the government, of power divided between the state and the government they created to secure our rights.

Please list your many constitutional experts.

21 posted on 06/18/2014 12:15:20 PM PDT by Jacquerie (To restore the 10th Amendment, repeal the 17th. Article V.)
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To: bfh333
Today, Obama confiscated private property, the Washington Redskins trademark.

His EPA has gotten used to doing the same thing, but when individual small property owners were affected, well, it just didn't make headlines.

The screws of arbitrary government tighten every day and we are told to ignore the power the Framers bequeathed to us.

22 posted on 06/18/2014 12:20:33 PM PDT by Jacquerie (To restore the 10th Amendment, repeal the 17th. Article V.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
The states are slowing starting to step up and assert their sovereignty.

At this moment, state sovereignty exists at the pleasure of Obama and nine blackrobes. They are not even allowed to defend their borders nor define marriage.

23 posted on 06/18/2014 12:24:43 PM PDT by Jacquerie (To restore the 10th Amendment, repeal the 17th. Article V.)
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To: Jacquerie

You know exactly what I meant.


24 posted on 06/18/2014 12:51:42 PM PDT by Gaffer
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Is the Federal Government “broken”, or have factions seized control and undermined the structure’s integrity?

With the exception of the structural change of Amend XVII, and the leviathan enabling Amend XVI, it is the controlling factions’ nefarious actions which cause our problems.

Consider carefully this question.

Is the architecture flawed, the blueprint in error? Or are the workers incompetent?

Do we fire the architect or the workers?

Respectfully,
Ray


25 posted on 06/18/2014 1:43:47 PM PDT by Ray76 (True change requires true change - A Second Party ...or else it's more of the same...)
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To: Jacquerie

And there will be NO, I repeat NO state Executive (Governor) who will tell FedGov to take a hike...

States Right, State sovereignty and the 10th amendment mean NOTHING to today’s Washington Uniparty...

There may be NO reasonable democrats left in DC, but I know at the state level these guys are taking the same beating we are and living though Executive & Judicial branch decisions...

The state legislatures will have to right this ships course...


26 posted on 06/18/2014 2:29:12 PM PDT by bfh333 ("We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality.")
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To: bfh333
There may be NO reasonable democrats left in DC, but I know at the state level these guys are taking the same beating we are and living through . . .

Exactly. Who can avert his glance to what is right before his eyes?

History will not look well on a people who gaff of their responsibility.

27 posted on 06/18/2014 2:49:13 PM PDT by Jacquerie (To restore the 10th Amendment, repeal the 17th. Article V.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
"Follow the Constitution specifically the 10th Ammendment state sovereignty"

We are following the Constitution when it comes to the 17th amendment. The direct election of senators is 80% of our problem. Without the 17th people like Harry Reid, Ted Kennedy, Mitch McConnel, Lindsey Graham, and every other entrenched self electing celebrities simply don't exist. The Senate is supposed to represent the states, not a millionaire boys club of corrupt snobs playing country.

We are also following the Constitution as it pertains to the commerce clause. This power had narrow meaning when added by the framers. Now the beast in Washington can use it to control everything. We need to REMOVE the commerce clause and let the free market do it's job.

So there you have it. Two areas where the Constitution IS being followed as you prefer and those two areas alone are virtually destroying the republic.

So the Constitution MUST be updated if we are to regain the freedom envisioned by the founders. An Article V convention is the Founders solution to this problem so you are arguing against some pretty well thought out plans by some of the brightest political minds ever to live.

28 posted on 06/19/2014 9:10:01 AM PDT by precisionshootist
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To: precisionshootist

“So the Constitution MUST be updated”

That’s what Barack Obama and his activist Supreme Court Judges want to do.

Ask yourself what would the founding fathers want to do? They would say “use the 10th Amendment” That’s what its there for.


29 posted on 06/19/2014 9:23:15 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
" “So the Constitution MUST be updated” That’s what Barack Obama and his activist Supreme Court Judges want to do. Ask yourself what would the founding fathers want to do? They would say “use the 10th Amendment” That’s what its there for."

What would the framers want to do? I feel quite certain they would use article V to dismantle the central government cabal. If that failed, I think they would use the 1776 solution and start over. If you are truly asking what they would do simply read the first few paragraphs of the Declaration of Independence. They answered your question directly.

30 posted on 06/19/2014 11:28:17 PM PDT by precisionshootist
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