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Lyricist Gerry Goffin, Carole King's ex-husband and prolific writing partner, dies at 75
AP via US News & World Report ^ | June 19, 2014 | Mark Kennedy

Posted on 06/19/2014 3:16:10 PM PDT by EveningStar

Lyricist Gerry Goffin, who with his then-wife and songwriting partner Carole King wrote such hits as "Will You Love Me Tomorrow," ''(You Make Me Feel Like) A Natural Woman," ''Up on the Roof" and "The Loco-Motion," died early Thursday at his home in Los Angeles. He was 75...

Goffin, who married King in 1959 while they were in their teens, penned more than 50 top 40 hits, including "Pleasant Valley Sunday" for the Monkees, "Crying in the Rain" by the Everly Brothers, "Some Kind of Wonderful" for the Drifters and "Take Good Care of My Baby" by Bobby Vee. The couple divorced in 1968, but Goffin kept writing hits, including "Savin' All My Love for You" for Whitney Houston...

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TOPICS: Music/Entertainment
KEYWORDS: caroleking; gerrygoffin; lyricist; music; obituary
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1 posted on 06/19/2014 3:16:10 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: Borges

ping


2 posted on 06/19/2014 3:16:29 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

Just by coincidence, I happened to have looked up and played “Oh, Neil”, by Carole King, and lyrics by Goffin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RECh8jR3DJI

RIP Mr. Goffin.


3 posted on 06/19/2014 3:22:18 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("If you're litigating against nuns, you've probably done something wrong."-Ted Cruz)
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To: EveningStar

It is truly a gift to be able to write songs. Over and over. RIP


4 posted on 06/19/2014 3:23:18 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: EveningStar
RIP

My favorite.

Crying in the Rain" Everly Brothers

5 posted on 06/19/2014 3:25:14 PM PDT by lysie
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To: EveningStar

Will You Love Me Tomorrow, written by Gerry and Carole and sung by Carole, is one of my favorite songs.


6 posted on 06/19/2014 3:31:45 PM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: EveningStar
I like this one:

Short Mort--Carole King (1959)

7 posted on 06/19/2014 3:31:58 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

It is truly one of the greatest songs of all time. It treats very serious issues in a beautiful and accessible way. Every word and note of that song is perfect.

RIP Gerry Coffin, you put the talent God lent you to excellent use.


8 posted on 06/19/2014 3:34:14 PM PDT by jocon307 (These people are (some Polish word) crazy)
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To: FatherofFive
It is truly a gift to be able to write songs.

It is also a skill one must acquire.

9 posted on 06/19/2014 3:35:25 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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To: EveningStar

RIP.


10 posted on 06/19/2014 3:36:30 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: jocon307

“RIP Gerry Coffin...”

Hey, HEY...it’s Goffin, not Coffin!


11 posted on 06/19/2014 3:40:56 PM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: Jeff Chandler
It is also a skill one must acquire.

You can become a skilled welder with training.

Art is a gift from God. IMHO

12 posted on 06/19/2014 3:41:46 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard
Will You Love Me Tomorrow, written by Gerry and Carole and sung by Carole, is one of my favorite songs.

Here come the answers:


13 posted on 06/19/2014 3:43:52 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: EveningStar

Goffin also collaborated with another Aldon composer, Barry Mann, on the hit “Who Put the Bomp (In the Bomp Bomp Bomp Bomp).

Apparently he did : )


14 posted on 06/19/2014 3:47:33 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: equaviator

LOL, sorry, what a typo!


15 posted on 06/19/2014 3:48:50 PM PDT by jocon307 (These people are (some Polish word) crazy)
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To: EveningStar

You say with words unspoken
That I am the only one;
But will my heart be broken
When the night meets the morning sun?

Not bad, eh?

RIP.


16 posted on 06/19/2014 4:01:16 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: Fiji Hill

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3irmBv8h4Tw


17 posted on 06/19/2014 4:06:07 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: equaviator

Over in Britain, the smart set are not fooled by mis-spellings. Any boffin could tell you: it’s Goffin in the coffin.


18 posted on 06/19/2014 4:20:29 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy ("Harvey Dent, can we trust him?" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBsdV--kLoQ)
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To: FatherofFive
Art is a gift from God

Songwriting is a craft. People who are gifted with artistic talent but fail to learn and master the skill of songwriting produce unpublished crap.

Talented, gifted songwriters have to work their asses off to acquire the skills necessary to elevate their craft to a professional level, then they have to work their asses off crafting every single song they write. Every once in a blue moon, a songwriter who has spent all that time learning the craft and creating songs will write a song in a day or two, but it's quite rare.

19 posted on 06/19/2014 4:20:48 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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To: Jeff Chandler
but fail to learn and master the skill of songwriting produce unpublished crap.

How many millions of 'students' of songwriting/writing/movie making are still waiting tables? Every waiter in NYC or LA is an actor/writer just waiting.

Art is a gift. Skills can be honed and refined. Talent is inate.

20 posted on 06/19/2014 4:30:53 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: EveningStar

An old timer..


21 posted on 06/19/2014 4:33:05 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Revolution is a'brewin!!!)
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To: Jeff Chandler

As you say, it is very difficult. Lennon and McCartney were trying to be Goffin and King when they started. That they were mere kids and were able to write so many songs that remain classics fifty years later is simply stunning.


22 posted on 06/19/2014 4:37:19 PM PDT by KevinB (Barack Obama: Our first black, gay, Kenyan, Muslim president!)
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To: FatherofFive

I agree...but maybe that’s because I am also a father of five (4 girls and 1 boy). The youngest just graduated college. Saints be praised! [If I had an Irish grandmother, that’s what she would have said]


23 posted on 06/19/2014 4:39:21 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: Pharmboy
but maybe that’s because I am also a father of five (4 girls and 1 boy).

We are a mirror - 4 boys and 1 girl! My youngest is entering his senior year.

And I am second generation Irish!

24 posted on 06/19/2014 4:44:19 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: EveningStar

The music of that day is absolutely classic.I’ve read fascinating stories about the Brill Building in NYC which is where lots and lots of that great stuff was written.Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow must be considered one of the ten best pop/rock songs of all time.


25 posted on 06/19/2014 4:56:31 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Rat Party Policy:Lie,Deny,Refuse To Comply)
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To: FatherofFive
How many millions of 'students' of songwriting/writing/movie making are still waiting tables?

Many of those people are hugely talented AND skilled. It's a numbers game and the only (slim) chance they have is to hone their skills. Songwriting skill is not something that falls upon the gifted from above. It's hard work. And a less "gifted" songwriter who works hard will produce better songs than an immensely gifted one, and has a much better chance of being published.

To imagine songwriting as some sort of mystical gift from the heavens is an insult to the people who invest an unbelievable amount of time and effort to produce the songs which we love.

You can believe your fantasy, or you can study what songwriters themselves say about the craft.

26 posted on 06/19/2014 4:57:15 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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To: FatherofFive

For example, I would write that a flower would still smell good if you called it crap.

Another might write, A rose by any other name would smell as sweet.

You see....I could practice all day long and mine would still be bad.


27 posted on 06/19/2014 4:59:47 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: Vermont Lt

The problem with your analogy is the popular song is neither poem nor prose. It is a unique genre.


28 posted on 06/19/2014 5:41:31 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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To: Vermont Lt
I could practice all day long and mine would still be bad.

or . . . you could do what professional songwriters do and spend countless hours re-writing it.

29 posted on 06/19/2014 5:42:55 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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To: Vermont Lt
a flower would still smell good if you called it crap

That is the initial concept, which is step #1. It is quite possible, even likely, that Shakespeare's initial concept was something as crude as that. Writing is re-writing.

30 posted on 06/19/2014 5:45:45 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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To: Vermont Lt

Each time I re-wrote my reply, it improved. How about that?


31 posted on 06/19/2014 5:48:05 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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To: jocon307; Opinionated Blowhard

That song was regarded as highly racy at the time.


32 posted on 06/19/2014 6:30:08 PM PDT by Borges
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To: Jeff Chandler

Bravo!

My wife’s best friend is a writer. A novel writer. She has been at it for 50 years. She finally sold a book. The money is just amazing.

But she still has her part time job that she has been working at for 30 years. She thinks that book release will come in September and she will need that job to live on.

The entire writing process is fascinating to me. What I have seen is that even though YOU might think you are finished, someone else always has a “just one thing” to add.

I guess everyone should have an editor in their lives.


33 posted on 06/19/2014 6:59:06 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: Jeff Chandler
Many of those people are hugely talented AND skilled.

But they are still waiting tables. That huge talent and skill you believe they have isn't real.

34 posted on 06/19/2014 7:17:48 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: FatherofFive
That huge talent and skill you believe they have isn't real.

For many it is. Breaking into songwriting or acting or singing, etc. is a combination of many factors in addition to talent and skill. Luck, persistence and timing enter into it, as well as personal connections. There are only a few slots with millions of people trying to fill them. That's why Nancy Sinatra got to make albums while tens of thousands of amazing singers had to settle for singing in the church choir.

Those are the facts of life.

35 posted on 06/19/2014 7:59:33 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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To: Jeff Chandler
Those are the facts of life.

These are the facts of life. Bill Gates and Rush Limbaugh never finished college. They both had talent that could not be 'taught' by anyone. Talent is inate. It is unique. I would suggest 99% of film students, writers and artists in college make a living in something other than film, writing or art.

Talent cannot be taught, or we would a million Monets.

36 posted on 06/19/2014 8:20:32 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: Borges

It is pretty racy. And yet it manages not to be vulgar. The second best line (after the title line): Tonight with words unspoken you say that I’m the only one.


37 posted on 06/19/2014 8:31:15 PM PDT by jocon307 (These people are (some Polish word) crazy)
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To: KevinB
That they were mere kids and were able to write so many songs that remain classics fifty years later is simply stunning.

And where did they go to school? Who taught Eric Clapton? Or Bob Marley? Or Mick Jagger? Or Muddy Waters?

yes, the julliard school can and does teach technique. But school never produces the next Mozart.

38 posted on 06/19/2014 8:39:31 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: FatherofFive

Do you really think that Rush Limbaugh started out as skilled as he is now?


39 posted on 06/20/2014 12:17:21 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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To: FatherofFive
school never produces the next Mozart.

Mozart was indeed taught music. And he had at least 10,000 hours of practice under his belt before he produced anything of consequence. Read the book, Outliers to understand the fruition of talent.

40 posted on 06/20/2014 12:21:55 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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To: Jeff Chandler
Mozart was indeed taught music.

I am not denying the importance of hard work and technique. I can hit 90% of my free throws. I can hit 65% from the field, 15-18 feet. But I have no talent to play basketball. I can't jump. I am not fast.

The bell curve is real.

41 posted on 06/20/2014 8:09:29 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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