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Stripper cars going extinct? Blame the seven-year loan
Motoramic/yahoo ^ | 6-30-14 | Steven Lang

Posted on 06/21/2014 10:04:44 AM PDT by TurboZamboni

The days when a bare-bones "stripper" car came with vinyl seats, rubber floor mats and no air conditioning are long gone.

Today, convenience and cold air come standard for all models, along with a long list of niceties that were once the sole domain of the loaded vehicle. A base Chevy Spark, as one example, offers aluminum wheels, ten standard airbags, power windows — even six months of OnStar service, in case you lock your keys in the car. On the surface, the new car market is offering better values than ever.

There is just one small problem with nearly all entry-level models of the modern day: You can't ever find em', and when you do, they usually come loaded with surprises. We may learn about that teaser of a price from the manufacturer's advertising, or the dealer supposedly suffering a bone-headed overstocking whose pain can be your gain. But actually finding that car is another matter entirely.

Recently, I searched for an absolute bare bones 2014 Nissan Versa S, base model. How many were there for the genuine manufacturer's drive-out price of under $13,000 in metro Atlanta? One. Just a single car to serve a metropolitan population of six million people.

Two weeks ago I walked over to a Mitsubishi dealer near Myrtle Beach, S.C. There were 20 Mirages on the lot, and out of those 20, there was one basic car with that ever so rare five-speed manual. The price: $12,500, before a whopping $1,995 surcharge for window tint. The old days of stain guards for carpeting and VIN etchings on the windows have been replaced with $700 processing fees, $800 destination charges, and $2,000 aftermarket trim packages with low-quality leather and fake wood made out of real plastic.

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give me a manual transmission with hand crank windows.
1 posted on 06/21/2014 10:04:44 AM PDT by TurboZamboni
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To: TurboZamboni

Good luck finding such a thing. Do they even make hand crank windows for the US market any more?


2 posted on 06/21/2014 10:06:34 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: TurboZamboni

I’ll trade the anti lock brakes for rear wheel drive.


3 posted on 06/21/2014 10:07:03 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I drive a 2005, I couldn’t tell ya.

The only ‘extra’ mine has is AC.


4 posted on 06/21/2014 10:09:30 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.-JFK)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Good luck finding such a thing. Do they even make hand crank windows for the US market any more?"

My friend took his eleven year old grand-daughter for a ride in his truck. She pointed at the hand-crank and asked, "what's that?"

5 posted on 06/21/2014 10:09:56 AM PDT by blam
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Bought a base model car a couple of years ago with crank windows and manual locks and only came in white. Dealer said they advertised this model but it was the first he had ever seen, that the company made so few.


6 posted on 06/21/2014 10:10:47 AM PDT by Suz in AZ
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

funny story..a Nissan dealer in Phoenix ordered by mistake an extended cab Frontier pick up with roll up windows, 5 speed stick but failed to check yes for a/c. Remember this is Phoenix......the truck is a 2012 new model and it still sits at said dealer


7 posted on 06/21/2014 10:11:05 AM PDT by advertising guy ( <------------- lotta white in here ------------>)
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To: TurboZamboni

Remember when the high-beam switch was on the floor?


8 posted on 06/21/2014 10:12:15 AM PDT by Veggie Todd (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. TJ)
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To: blam
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9 posted on 06/21/2014 10:13:11 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: TurboZamboni

Back in the Nineties, I was looking for a new work van. Went a Dodge dealer, and found a nice one. Opened the driver’s door, and there was no front seat! It was extra! I laughed at the salesman, and left.


10 posted on 06/21/2014 10:13:16 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Veggie Todd

My first car had that! And the crank windows.


11 posted on 06/21/2014 10:13:32 AM PDT by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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To: TurboZamboni
The price: $12,500, before a whopping $1,995 surcharge for window tint. The old days of stain guards for carpeting and VIN etchings on the windows have been replaced with $700 processing fees, $800 destination charges, and $2,000 aftermarket trim packages with low-quality leather and fake wood made out of real plastic.

That's just the dealer's opening offer. If you pay all of that, you are a fool that deserves to be taken.

Second, you don't have to buy off the lot. Although, since the dealer is having to pay interest and insurance on the cars on the lot, he ought to be willing to sell them at a steeper discount to move them.

12 posted on 06/21/2014 10:13:33 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: TurboZamboni

I drive a 1984 Mercedes-Benz diesel with no heat, defroster or air, inoperable back windows and windshield washer fluid system, no radio, springs sticking through the seats and a balky transmission. But it does have electric windows that work in the front (it IS a Mercedes, after all). And I live in Texas.


13 posted on 06/21/2014 10:13:58 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: cripplecreek

Dimmer switch, of course.


14 posted on 06/21/2014 10:14:22 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: cripplecreek

High beam switch.


15 posted on 06/21/2014 10:15:04 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: advertising guy

Why doesn’t he sell it to a dealer in Maine or Michigan?


16 posted on 06/21/2014 10:15:33 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: Veggie Todd

yep. my old Valiant had that.


17 posted on 06/21/2014 10:15:48 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.-JFK)
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To: PAR35

My bro in law worked at a dealership. He said the ‘deluxe’ undercoating meant the guy sprayed it standing on one foot.

an extra $300


18 posted on 06/21/2014 10:17:03 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.-JFK)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Lurker

Notice that that car is new enough to have the easy access fuse box on the dash rather than under it. Today they’re mostly under the hood.


19 posted on 06/21/2014 10:17:21 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: TurboZamboni

I love e windows, AC, and remote locks, would never buy a car without them. I used to think that I would never get an automatic trans but new ones get about the same mileage as manual, are reliable, and a lot better in a traffic jam.

I buy used though and let the new buyer take the hit on depreciation.


20 posted on 06/21/2014 10:17:33 AM PDT by HerrBlucher (Praise to the Lord the Almighty the King of Creation)
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To: TurboZamboni
Back in the 1990's, I walked into a Chevy dealer and told the salesman I want a Lumina with crank windows and cruise control. I said that I don't care about anything else but those two items.

He found me one three weeks later with crank windows but no cruise control. The dealership was located about ten miles from GM headquarters in Detroit, and the car was manufactured across the river in Ontario. GM didn't care then, why would it care now?

21 posted on 06/21/2014 10:18:23 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: cripplecreek

Notice how these front-wheel cars really grind down the fronts?

I’d gladly trade the “Entertainment System” for rear wheel drive and a real engine annunciator panel.


22 posted on 06/21/2014 10:18:28 AM PDT by telstar12.5 (...always bring gunships to a gun fight...)
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To: TurboZamboni

I can remember when a heater was optional.

I have seen something recently which is a new one on me.

A couple, maybe 3 different vehicles which are all black. I mean black trim, black wheels, black wall tires. Everything is all black.

At first I assumed they were unmarked police cars but I don’t think they are and like I said, two or three different brands but done the same way.


23 posted on 06/21/2014 10:18:37 AM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: cripplecreek

Easy...the dimmer. I wish it was still on the floor.


24 posted on 06/21/2014 10:18:40 AM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: cripplecreek
same thing for the park break
25 posted on 06/21/2014 10:19:15 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

tried..when it was fact it wasn’t gonna sell all rebates and dealer help vanished

prolly gonna use it for internal needs


26 posted on 06/21/2014 10:20:28 AM PDT by advertising guy ( <------------- lotta white in here ------------>)
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To: cripplecreek

Mine is under the hood and they’re fuses like you’ve never seen before.


27 posted on 06/21/2014 10:20:53 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: cripplecreek

Light dimmer switch.


28 posted on 06/21/2014 10:21:42 AM PDT by blam
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To: TurboZamboni

I seem to recall reading that hand-crank windows weren’t eliminated because electrics were more luxurious but because the mechanism was simpler and cut down on weight. Helped the manufacturers meet their idiotic CAFE standards.


29 posted on 06/21/2014 10:22:15 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: telstar12.5

Rear wheel drive cars now are mostly in the luxury or luxury/performance classes and are priced accordingly. Probably the best deal is the 300 hp “base” Ford Mustang at around $25,000.


30 posted on 06/21/2014 10:23:01 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I miss the window vents.


31 posted on 06/21/2014 10:23:26 AM PDT by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-free zones are playgrounds for felons.)
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To: cripplecreek

I remember a push button starter like that. Don’t recall the make or year though. My dad had a push button transmission in his Fury (early 60s).


32 posted on 06/21/2014 10:24:40 AM PDT by mcshot (..."And this too shall pass.")
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To: deoetdoctrinae

Oh yes, but a security nightmare. :)


33 posted on 06/21/2014 10:24:41 AM PDT by moose07 (the truth will out ,one day. ........dot removal in progress.......)
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To: yarddog

Remember the car seat which hooked over the regular seat? If you were lucky, your had a steering wheel as well. :)


34 posted on 06/21/2014 10:24:58 AM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Chode

I like bench seats and ashtrays.

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36 posted on 06/21/2014 10:25:25 AM PDT by Mears
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

I am not sure about that but I remember the steering wheel which hooked over the front seat so the kid could pretend he was driving.


37 posted on 06/21/2014 10:27:04 AM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: TurboZamboni

Remember when bumpers were “extras” on pickups?


38 posted on 06/21/2014 10:27:12 AM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: TurboZamboni

The used-car market is really tight.

People can’t afford new cars, so they are turning to used cars, and they are in short supply and prices for a low-mileage used car are not a great amount lower than the price of new


39 posted on 06/21/2014 10:27:43 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

My wife’s new Jeep Wrangler has power windows and door locks. Heresy!


40 posted on 06/21/2014 10:27:44 AM PDT by CrazyIvan (I lost my phased plasma rifle in a tragic hovercraft accident.)
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To: moose07

LOL! Yep, a wire shirt hanger was all ya needed.


41 posted on 06/21/2014 10:28:07 AM PDT by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-free zones are playgrounds for felons.)
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To: yarddog
The black car gangsta style thing is the result of universal car AC.

But look at the bright side. On a hot day in Texas, you can use your sharp black gangsta car for a bread oven.

42 posted on 06/21/2014 10:28:13 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The GOP is dying. What do we do now?)
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To: cripplecreek

That’s the Hi-Low beam switch.


43 posted on 06/21/2014 10:29:01 AM PDT by puppypusher ( The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: advertising guy
So when this new "cheap" FIAT hit the market here, I thought it was going to come in at under 10Gs, with aforesaid roll-ups, rubber mats (which are really best, you know?) Manual trans, IOW, a "basic model." But "options," thanks to the bank, ain't optional.

O No! How wrong can a man be? It's starts atlike 16 large with every known accessory package ... and goes up into the mid twenties for converts and speed models.

The Wal-Mart crowd shelling out 16 grand for KIAs, 25 G for Hyundais ... power windows, Power locks, AC, Stereo USB Ports, 26 airbags, yadda yadda yadda.

Blame Jimmy Carter and that dipshiite Joan Claybrook. And BTW, there will soon be a derivative based on car loans ... just like those bad mortgages on houses of a few years back. Stick a guy with a 27 thousand, 7-year car loan, then move the plant where he works to China ... bingo!

At least the stupid SOB can live in it for a week or two before he's foreclosed.

But, thank you God, this is still ... briefly ... America, where you can actually buy a good used car for $2500 ... really good ... just 10 years old and needing some slight attention of that rare American who still knows a wrench from a stench.

44 posted on 06/21/2014 10:29:02 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The GOP is dying. What do we do now?)
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To: mcshot

I loved the little indian head high beam indicator in the old Pontiacs.


45 posted on 06/21/2014 10:29:54 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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one thing you overlook it 2500 dollars cars are G O N E .....the public drove em in the ditch.....had to....39 percent of America ain’t workin and 38 percent went to 30 hour work weeks......no money to buy or replace or hell, fix the car.

a car today that works, paint is solid and sheet metal is straight has a 6 to 8 k car now


46 posted on 06/21/2014 10:30:49 AM PDT by advertising guy ( <------------- lotta white in here ------------>)
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To: TurboZamboni

How about when the spark advance was on the steering wheel?


47 posted on 06/21/2014 10:30:54 AM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: Kenny Bunk
But, thank you God, this is still ... briefly ... America, where you can actually buy a good used car for $2500 ... really good ... just 10 years old and needing some slight attention of that rare American who still knows a wrench from a stench.

That was done some damage a while back with "Cash for Clunkers", which took a lot of decent used cars out of circulation and forced a lot of people into spending more than they would like on a newer vehicle. And lots of those people probably still voted for its architect a second time.
48 posted on 06/21/2014 10:31:21 AM PDT by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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To: Born to Conserve

never had one of those.


49 posted on 06/21/2014 10:31:25 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.-JFK)
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To: deoetdoctrinae

I had a ‘68 Barracuda with those and large under dash vents. It also had a white interior and white terrycloth seat covers. On a hot day with those open, the side windows up and the rears down I never missed having AC out on the road. It wasnt even noisy.


50 posted on 06/21/2014 10:31:39 AM PDT by CrazyIvan (I lost my phased plasma rifle in a tragic hovercraft accident.)
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