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Scenarios in Group G of the World Cup
abcnews ^ | Jun 22, 2014 | The Assciated Press

Posted on 06/23/2014 12:22:55 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper

The United States and Germany both have four points and are atop Group G over Ghana and Portugal who have one point each. In the group stage of the World Cup, wins are worth three points, and draws are worth one point. All four teams have one game remaining.

Germany and the U.S. will play Thursday in Recife, and Ghana and Portugal will kick off at the same time in Brasilia.

Here are the scenarios:

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1 posted on 06/23/2014 12:22:55 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: dfwgator; kevkrom; 1rudeboy; BeadCounter; C19fan; corkoman; cartan; St_Thomas_Aquinas; ...
How the Portugal Draw Boosts the U.S.’s World Cup Advancement Odds
2 posted on 06/23/2014 12:28:32 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Portugal Gives U.S. a Kick in the Gut
If the U.S. men's national soccer team somehow doesn't advance to the knockout round of this World Cup, they will spend a long four years thinking about how they were just seconds away from it.
3 posted on 06/23/2014 12:31:23 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper
they were just seconds away from it.

4 posted on 06/23/2014 12:32:08 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper
seconds

it.

5 posted on 06/23/2014 12:33:18 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper
June 2014
6 posted on 06/23/2014 12:35:20 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Group G

  Team P W D L +/- Pts
1. Germany 2 1 1 0 +4 4
2. USA [USA! USA! USA!] 2 1 1 0 +1 4
3. Ghana 2 0 1 1 -1 1
4. Portugal 2 0 1 1 -4 1

7 posted on 06/23/2014 12:40:57 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper

There are FReepers who care about this?


8 posted on 06/23/2014 12:58:06 AM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (Peace On Earth! Purity of Essence! McCain/Ripper 2016)
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To: Forgotten Amendments

36 on my ping list


9 posted on 06/23/2014 1:02:16 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Belgium through after Divock Origi sees off Russia with late goal
If there was one man you could guarantee would stand aloof from the general joie de vivre of this World Cup, it was Fabio Capello. He is living this World Cup as he lived the last, grimly battering away criticism as drab tournament performances fail to live up to the promise of qualifying. The Sovetsky Sport columnist Yury Tsyban had described Capello’s football as being whisky after the champagne of Guus Hiddink at the Euros in 2008; this felt more like a £3.99 cava grabbed as a last resort at the garage on the way home after a late night.

Algeria beat South Korea in six-goal thriller
Algeria moved them tantalisingly close to a first ever appearance in the knock-out rounds after dishing out a 4-2 defeat to South Korea in Porto Alegre on Sunday.

It was the North Africans' first World Cup victory since their famous 1982 success against West Germany and was the first time an African side had managed four goals in a single World Cup match.

10 posted on 06/23/2014 1:14:52 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Forgotten Amendments

Yes, lots.


11 posted on 06/23/2014 1:15:15 AM PDT by moose07 (the truth will out ,one day. ........dot removal in progress.......)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Got any buddies you could ask to go easy on us Thursday?


12 posted on 06/23/2014 1:21:24 AM PDT by ArmstedFragg (Hoaxey Dopey Changey)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Belgium 1:0 Russia Match Highlights
Korea Republic 2:4 Algeria
USA 2:2 Portugal
Photos

Who’s In, Who’s Out

13 posted on 06/23/2014 1:21:26 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: ArmstedFragg

Löw and Klinsmann are buddies - LoL!


14 posted on 06/23/2014 1:24:11 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper
World Cup 2014: Today at the tournament - day 12
It is set to be a manic Monday, with hosts Brazil, Mexico and Croatia all vying for a last-16 berth in the final round of Group A matches.

Cameroon v Brazil
Croatia v Mexico

Australia v Spain
Netherlands v Chile

15 posted on 06/23/2014 1:30:39 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Jürgen Klinsmann vows USA won't be playing for a draw against Germany

OMG Dunkin Donuts just walked in the door :)

16 posted on 06/23/2014 1:34:47 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Klinsman has the USA playing a lot like Germany - your ability to score goals is pretty good so I would not discount the USA beating or drawing with Germany - A win would give you an easier ride in the second phase so it is worth playing for - I think the USA team is better than everyone gives them credit for!


17 posted on 06/23/2014 2:04:16 AM PDT by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong.)
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To: Forgotten Amendments

Yes. They are Americans who support our national team.


18 posted on 06/23/2014 3:06:45 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Berlin_Freeper
OMG. Hubby had opted NOT to watch. Cooked up a storm in the kitchen with Disney's "UP" on. The girls and I headed to a local watering hole to watch...and had a great time...UNTIL. :P Came home and ranted and raved. Hubby didn't have a care in the world. He says, "See?" :) We are not watching on Thursday. Can't do it. (but, of course we will. Thank God it's only every 4 years!)
19 posted on 06/23/2014 4:17:36 AM PDT by ZinGirl (kids in college....can't afford a tagline right now)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

If you have to deny it..then it exists..


20 posted on 06/23/2014 4:54:58 AM PDT by ken5050 ("One useless man is a shame, two are a law firm, three or more are a Congress".. John Adams)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

I would like to introduce a motion that we henceforth refer to Cristiano Renaldo as “that b*****d” from this day forevermore.


21 posted on 06/23/2014 4:59:49 AM PDT by kevkrom (I'm not an unreasonable man... well, actually, I am. But hear me out anyway.)
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To: melsec
A win would give you an easier ride in the second phase

Not necessarily. After yesterday's draw, Belgium might actually finish 2nd in Group H, and would play the Group G winner. I'd rather have, say, Russia or Algeria.

22 posted on 06/23/2014 5:01:28 AM PDT by kevkrom (I'm not an unreasonable man... well, actually, I am. But hear me out anyway.)
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To: Forgotten Amendments

Yes, there are FReepers who care about this; you may have noticed that FReepers are a diverse lot.


23 posted on 06/23/2014 6:48:14 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (Is it solipsistic in here, or is it just me?)
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To: kevkrom

24 posted on 06/23/2014 6:50:34 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Berlin_Freeper

25 posted on 06/23/2014 6:51:06 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: kevkrom

Was Algeria that good, or South Korea that bad?


26 posted on 06/23/2014 6:51:18 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: kevkrom

I’ve been thinking about that ball from Ronaldo. If that ball is six inches off in any direction, odds are that goal doesn’t happen, that’s how perfect that feed was. It was a one in a hundred shot.

Still had the US had better situational awareness, it never should have come down to that.


27 posted on 06/23/2014 6:53:25 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

Saw a stat after the game that USA was something like 0 for 15 on crosses, and that b*****d was 1 for 1.

Great pass, but he should never have been allowed to have the ball and that kind of space. USA needs to do a much better job killing clock when protecting a lead.


28 posted on 06/23/2014 7:03:04 AM PDT by kevkrom (I'm not an unreasonable man... well, actually, I am. But hear me out anyway.)
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To: kevkrom

It was the botched corner situation that really irked me.

The point of going to the corner is to get a corner kick or at least a throw in out of it, which takes more time off. It was like the US player said “I’m tired of this” and kicked the ball out, to let Portugal have it.


29 posted on 06/23/2014 7:19:11 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Berlin_Freeper

It sure is interesting how things can work.

Germany seem likely to win group G. They would play H2 who at this moment would be Algeria.


30 posted on 06/23/2014 7:23:02 AM PDT by BeadCounter
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To: BeadCounter

Did you note that only once since 1990 has Germany won their second group game?

So the result against Ghana should not have come as such a shock.

I just feel like the US squandered their chance to get out of the group. That was a MUST WIN game.


31 posted on 06/23/2014 7:28:01 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

The scenario is still pretty good for Team USA. Obviously, beating Germany gets them through, as does a draw, or a POR-GHA draw.

After that, it comes down to goal difference - right now, they are +5 compared to Portugal and +2 compared to Ghana. Now, +2 of that gets wiped out automatically in a loss/win situation (since you have to win or lose by at least 1, after all), so we’d ironically need to be cheering for Portugal, otherwise we could get knocked out by Ghana for the third straight WC, despite having beaten them.

As far as USA-GER, Germany has no incentive to run up the score. If they get ahead 1-0, I can see them just parking the bus knowing that even a last-minute equalizer sees them win the group.

Best situation in POR-GHA: Portugal leading Ghana by 1 goal, late.
A narrow Portugal win won’t help Portugal, and the best Ghana would reasonably be ale to do is draw.

A 1-goal Ghana win would bring it to total goals scored, where USA is +1 over GHA right now. If Ghana wins by 2 or more, USA needs at least a draw against Germany; if the US loses to Germany by more than 1 goal, they need Portugal to draw Ghana or win by a small margin.

I still can’t believe that head-to-head isn’t the first tiebreaker, but the rules are the rules.


32 posted on 06/23/2014 7:39:35 AM PDT by kevkrom (I'm not an unreasonable man... well, actually, I am. But hear me out anyway.)
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The problem is Ghana has played much better than Portugal.

They will also have had an extra day of rest, and Portugal played in Manaus.

If Ghana scores early, Portugal realizes it’s over and probably gives up the ghost.


33 posted on 06/23/2014 7:45:00 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

There’s A Scenario Where A Coin Flip Would Decide If The US Advances In The World Cup
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Of all the possible scenarios for how the United States men’s national team could qualify for the knockout round of the World Cup, the most absurd is what happens if the U.S. and Portugal finish with the same number of points, the same goal difference, and the same number of goals scored.

There would be a coin flip to decide which team finishes second in the group. A horrible, horrible coin flip.

Here’s what would have to happen:

Portugal beats Ghana
U.S. loses to Germany
Portugal makes up exactly five goals in goal difference with the U.S.
Portugal scores exactly two more goals than the U.S. does

If all of those things happen, the U.S. and Portugal would be dead even on every metric. Here’s how the tiebreakers work:

If Portugal wins and the U.S. loses, the two teams would be tied on 4 points. The first tiebreaker is goal difference (which the U.S. currently leads by five goals). If the teams are tied on goal difference, the second tiebreaker is goals scored (which the U.S. currently leads by two goals). If the teams are tied on goal difference and goals scored, the third tiebreaker is head-to-head results. Since the U.S. and Portugal tied 2-2, we’d move to the final tiebreaker ... the drawing of lots, a.k.a. a coin flip.

Here are the six results that would lead to a coin flip:

U.S. loses 3-0, Portugal wins 2-0
U.S. loses 3-1, Portugal wins 3-0
U.S. loses 3-2, Portugal wins 4-0
U.S. loses 4-0, Portugal wins 2-1
U.S. loses 4-1, Portugal wins 3-1
U.S. loses 4-2, Portugal wins 4-1

It’d take an unlikely combination of wacky results, but it’s possible.


34 posted on 06/23/2014 7:49:12 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: Wyatt's Torch

Ain’t gonna happen. I don’t see Portugal beating Ghana.


35 posted on 06/23/2014 7:50:41 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: moose07; Forgotten Amendments

ESPN rating of a 9.1 yesterday was higher than 4 of the 6 World Series games last year and higher than the Sugar Bowl and the Rose Bowl.


36 posted on 06/23/2014 8:15:27 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: dfwgator

I think if one thing is certain in this World Cup, it’s that you can never be sure of anything.


37 posted on 06/23/2014 8:18:13 AM PDT by kevkrom (I'm not an unreasonable man... well, actually, I am. But hear me out anyway.)
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To: dfwgator
Full scenario chart:


38 posted on 06/23/2014 8:50:26 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: Wyatt's Torch

Cool chart. That light brown area is the danger zone for the USA.


39 posted on 06/23/2014 9:01:31 AM PDT by matt1234 (Obama fled. People bled. (Iraq 2014.))
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To: dfwgator

We’ll have to be real careful. I read someone this morning talking about how we should remember we could have drawn Panama and eliminated Mexico. But our own survival wasn’t on the line in that game.

It is just hard to believe that we would have played so well to not advance. But Ghana has played very well too.

There are so many results that can go various ways that though it feels safe, it’s not a certainty.


40 posted on 06/23/2014 9:02:50 AM PDT by BeadCounter
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To: dfwgator

I think they can beat Ghana. But I am more confident of the USA beating Germany.


41 posted on 06/23/2014 9:24:41 AM PDT by darkangel82
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To: darkangel82

I will say this.

The program has made enormous strides under Klinsi. No matter what happens, he’s done a heck of a job of transforming the team’s culture.

I’m looking forward to the next four years and seeing how things progress as Klinsi is able to put even more of his stamp on the program. It’s going to be a completely different team, but they will be Klinsi’s guys, not leftover vestiges of the Bob Bradley era.


42 posted on 06/23/2014 10:14:18 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: darkangel82

Many teams experience emotional letdowns, though I think Ghana has played much better than Portugal this World Cup and though Ghana WILL be playing for something, they have come through two matches that are as hard as nails.

Sort of the way, South Africa 2010 was an emotional rollercoaster for the USA, I think the group stage was so hard and exhausting for the US National Team, it gave Ghana an edge in that knockout game.

This has been a very fine World Cup, I’d be pressed to find a team that has totally blown it.

I saw a comment on how there are relatively few cards in this World Cup and few penalties called, hence, we have a much less cynical World Cup than say some games in 2006.


43 posted on 06/23/2014 11:03:36 AM PDT by BeadCounter
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To: Wyatt's Torch
The Red and Blue do look good together on that chart. :)
Frightening to see in graphical form the data the mind processes in seconds. Gave the US a 90% chance of qualifying.
44 posted on 06/23/2014 11:17:53 AM PDT by moose07 (the truth will out ,one day. ........dot removal in progress.......)
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To: moose07

What the chart doesn’t show is the probability of each of the individual cells. With two evenly matched teams, the cells in the very center of the chart have the highest probability, with the probably decreasing as you move toward the edges and corners.

With less-evenly matched teams, it’s basically the same, but with the “center” moved accordingly.


45 posted on 06/23/2014 12:46:07 PM PDT by kevkrom (I'm not an unreasonable man... well, actually, I am. But hear me out anyway.)
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To: moose07

And we originally had about a 36% chance to get out of the group.

76% now according to this: http://nesn.com/2014/06/2014-world-cup-usa-has-76-percent-chance-of-advancing-in-209-scenarios-photo/

I will just be positive, I think we advance and will face Belgium.


46 posted on 06/23/2014 12:56:40 PM PDT by BeadCounter
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To: BeadCounter

I’ll go with you on that one.
But am sticking with my 90%, rightly or wrongly. :)


47 posted on 06/23/2014 1:07:48 PM PDT by moose07 (the truth will out ,one day. ........dot removal in progress.......)
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To: moose07

Neymar has 2 for Brazil as Brazil leads going into halftime.


48 posted on 06/23/2014 1:47:57 PM PDT by darkangel82
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To: darkangel82

Cameroon 1
Brasil 2

Netherlands 2
Chile 0

Australia 0
Spain 3


49 posted on 06/23/2014 1:50:23 PM PDT by moose07 (the truth will out ,one day.)
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How The US Blew Its Greatest World Cup Opportunity In Just 55 Seconds

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/usa-world-cup-loss-portugal-2014-6#ixzz35V2WMc56


50 posted on 06/23/2014 2:21:07 PM PDT by BeadCounter
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