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Did Angkor really see a dinosaur?
Creation Ministries International ^ | 6-23-14 | Jonathan O’Brien and Shaun Doyle

Posted on 06/23/2014 9:24:28 AM PDT by fishtank

Did Angkor really see a dinosaur?

Jonathan O’Brien and Shaun Doyle

The September 2007 Creation magazine back page feature article ‘Angkor saw a Stegosaur?’ showed a stone carving on a temple of Angkor, Cambodia, (a. 1200 AD), depicting what looks like an artistic impression of a stegosaurian-type dinosaur.1 As such evidence clearly supports the biblical view of dinosaurs, it naturally provoked the ire of vocal atheists. Here are their objections:

“If it is a dinosaur, they carved it from fossils”

The plates along the back of the animal are unlike all the other decorative designs in the temple walls. One objection is that the temple carvers may have carved the stegosaur from nearby fossils. However, it takes a lot of training and skill to accurately reconstruct from fossils what a dinosaur looked like.2 There is no evidence that such was available in Cambodian culture of the time. As one dinosaur researcher has noted, if there are reasonably accurate dinosaur depictions that pre-date modern advances in the science of fossil reconstruction, “then a tremendously powerful case can be made that dinosaurs were being depicted not from the bones, but from real-life encounters.”3

Moreover, no stegosaurian fossils have ever been reported in Cambodia. Therefore fossils are unlikely to have been the basis for the carving on the temple.

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TOPICS: Arts/Photography; History; Religion; Science
KEYWORDS: angkor; creation; dinosaur
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CMI article image.

Angkor-stegosaur-carving

Close-up of the ‘Angkor stegosaur’ carving. The trademark scales on the back have made it so easily recognizable that CMI speakers have never received another suggestion for what this animal could be other than a stegosaur.

1 posted on 06/23/2014 9:24:28 AM PDT by fishtank
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From the website:

“”A reader’s comment

Patrick G., United States, 23 June 2014

Evolutionists have often strongly criticized creationists suggesting this artwork to be a stegosaurus. The problem is that one of the first people to suggest this in print wasn’t a creationist at all.

A photograph of this particular sculpture is found in the book “Angkor Cities and Temples” on page 215. The corresponding description of it is found on page 213:

“Roundels on pilasters on the south side of the west entrance are unusual in design. In particular, that at left shows an animal which bears striking resemblance to a stegosaurus.”

The man who described it in this manner was Claude Jacques, a long standing member of the Ecole Francaise d’ Extreme Orient. He lived in Cambodia for nine years where he taught Khmer history at the Archaeology Department of Phnom Penh. By reading his other comments throughout the book, it is obvious he was an old earth evolutionist. His credentials and time in the region should make him an expert in anyone’s mind. Yet he still saw this artwork as resembling the extinct dinosaur more than any other animal found in this area.

Anyone who wants criticize this carving being interpreted as a stegosaurus should start by criticizing this man first.””


2 posted on 06/23/2014 9:24:57 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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CMI article caption.

The context of the ‘Angkor stegosaur’ shows that it is pictured with numerous animals known to the locals, such as a water buffalo (above the stegosaur).

3 posted on 06/23/2014 9:25:57 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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“Time travelers”...

has to be.

People from the future time traveled back to Angkor, drew a picture of a stegosaurus for the stone artist, then went back to the future.

This is far more plausible than the idea that the stegosaurus was a contemporary of humans...

(/sarc)


4 posted on 06/23/2014 9:27:24 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: fishtank

[ The plates along the back of the animal are unlike all the other decorative designs in the temple walls. One objection is that the temple carvers may have carved the stegosaur from nearby fossils. However, it takes a lot of training and skill to accurately reconstruct from fossils what a dinosaur looked like. ]

I disagree, any culture that deals with people who are butchers and hunter will have a decent idea of what an animal once looked like based off it’s bones.


5 posted on 06/23/2014 9:28:13 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: MrB

Clearly this sculptor had once visited Kong Island.


6 posted on 06/23/2014 9:31:27 AM PDT by Argus
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To: fishtank

Clearly Godzilla.

Note that Angkor is largely ruins, supporting the Godzilla theory.


7 posted on 06/23/2014 9:32:11 AM PDT by humblegunner
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It’s not a Stegosaurus.

There is no Thangomizer attached to the tail.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thagomizer


8 posted on 06/23/2014 9:36:59 AM PDT by Conan the Librarian (The Best in Life is to crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and the Dewey Decimal System)
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Are there any other artifacts from the same region and period that depict the other animals? Why only that one, and why only a stegosaurus?


9 posted on 06/23/2014 9:39:02 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: fishtank

What’s the animal at the very base of that column?


10 posted on 06/23/2014 9:41:40 AM PDT by Natufian (t)
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To: fishtank

I don’t know exactly what it means but I have noticed that dragons are pretty much the same in all ancient peoples.

They also look suspiciously like some dinosaurs.


11 posted on 06/23/2014 9:43:01 AM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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I’ve read that some of the Mayan designs look like elephants,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Maizeresearcher/The_Idea_of_the_Elephant_in_Cultures_of_Pre-15th_Century_Americas

And Earl Stanley Gardener, writing about Mexico, said there was a man who bought hundreds of statues of dinosaurs, found in the area.

http://forbiddenarchaeology.blogspot.com/2012/11/acambaro-figurines-from-waldemar.html

http://www.fairservicenz.com/dinosaur/dinosaur-5.html

Scroll down to photos.


12 posted on 06/23/2014 9:43:58 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need more than seven rounds, Much more.)
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It’s not a Stegosaurus. There is no Thangomizer attached to the tail.

ROTFL!


13 posted on 06/23/2014 9:46:06 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: fishtank
Close-up of the ‘Angkor stegosaur’ carving. The trademark scales on the back have made it so easily recognizable that CMI speakers have never received another suggestion for what this animal could be other than a stegosaur.

Maybe it's a curelom?

14 posted on 06/23/2014 9:50:09 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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I so miss the Far Side cartoons.


15 posted on 06/23/2014 10:03:32 AM PDT by aimhigh (1 John 3:23)
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In Cambodia? It was seared - seared! - into Angkor’s memory. Christmas 1968, I think it was! Nixon was president, even though he wasn’t inaugurated yet.


16 posted on 06/23/2014 10:07:25 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: fishtank
The September 2007 Creation magazine back page feature article ‘Angkor saw a Stegosaur?’ showed a stone carving on a temple of Angkor, Cambodia, (a. 1200 AD), depicting what looks like an artistic impression of a stegosaurian-type dinosaur.1 As such evidence clearly supports the biblical view of dinosaurs

I don't get that. How does that "clearly support the Biblical view of dinosaurs"? That's a 3200 year old carving. Creationist dogma says all of the dinosaurs were wiped out in the Great Flood 800 years before this carving was made.

17 posted on 06/23/2014 10:10:00 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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Sorry, I misread that. This is an 800 year old carving, made 3200 years after the dinosaurs were supposed to have been wiped on in the Great Flood. That’s not anywhere near lining up with the Creationist timeline.


18 posted on 06/23/2014 10:23:25 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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There is a group of creationist who believe there is a possiblity of present day dinosaurs and travel all around the Congo Basin looking for ‘them’.


19 posted on 06/23/2014 10:24:36 AM PDT by Theoria (End Socialism : No more GOP and Dem candidates)
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To: fishtank

So, Garudas really existed along with Dino's?

20 posted on 06/23/2014 10:28:33 AM PDT by JimSEA
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