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IRS using WINXP? and no money to upgrade
Doghead | 6-28=2014 | vanity

Posted on 06/23/2014 7:04:41 PM PDT by DOGHEAD

Hmmm.. The excuse given tonight at the hearings


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is that the IRS is so poor that IRS employees have to print out hard copies of e-mails that they want to save because they are outdated and do not have servers and adequate storage.

So I do not see any way that they can administer ACA. If they cannot keep up with ms. Lerner'semail- asimple task. how could they keep up with your healthcare

1 posted on 06/23/2014 7:04:41 PM PDT by DOGHEAD
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To: DOGHEAD

So they have no excuse. If they were on Windows 8, totally understandable, but XP is fine.


2 posted on 06/23/2014 7:05:44 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: DOGHEAD
The IRS has a $2 BILLION IT budget. Period!
3 posted on 06/23/2014 7:06:50 PM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: DOGHEAD

... “the evil republicans cut the IRS budget so much they didn’t have adequate computer service” in 3,2,1.....


4 posted on 06/23/2014 7:08:01 PM PDT by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: DOGHEAD

i have used xp since 2001 and my mail system never crashed. i am sure the nsa could dig up my emails if asked.

fu nsa


5 posted on 06/23/2014 7:08:09 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: DOGHEAD
If they cannot keep up with ms. Lerner'semail- asimple task. how could they keep up with your healthcare

They can't arrest Lois and take her stuff, but they can arrest you and take your stuff.

6 posted on 06/23/2014 7:11:44 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: DOGHEAD

A locked down XP system running on appropriate hardware and with concurrent software is just fine to do e-mail.


7 posted on 06/23/2014 7:13:00 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: DOGHEAD

I believe that Lois Lerner is in violation of IRS code
301.7216 for unlawfully disclosing taxpayer info to a third party.
1 year in jail and $1,000 fine for each occurrence.


8 posted on 06/23/2014 7:13:20 PM PDT by DOGHEAD
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To: DOGHEAD

All that “bonus” money paid out wouldn’t have worked?


9 posted on 06/23/2014 7:15:59 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Feed the wacko enrviromentalists to the starving polar bears.)
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To: Chgogal

Yes but that $2 Billion is focused on tracking every single penny Americans spend, save, or make. Every day, every penny, all the time, with real time access.

Eventually they’ll file our taxes for us.


10 posted on 06/23/2014 7:17:55 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Paladin2

Lack of backups is a significantly larger security issue then running XP.

Beside they can still buy support for XP.


11 posted on 06/23/2014 7:19:27 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Chgogal

$2 billion just doesn’t buy what it used to.


12 posted on 06/23/2014 7:20:19 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: DOGHEAD
IRS Sent the FBI 1.1 Million Pages of Taxpayer Documents
13 posted on 06/23/2014 7:20:25 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: DOGHEAD

Oh there are a significant number of laws and regulations she’s broken. IRS Regs, and Federal laws


14 posted on 06/23/2014 7:20:26 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

What if you needed a heart transplant or Kidney and they lost your Email about it? Oh wait, that sounds like the VA.

It all ok though he’s going to upgrade them all to Windows 7...


15 posted on 06/23/2014 7:21:15 PM PDT by DOGHEAD
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To: DOGHEAD

I run a dozen CNC machines, plotters, inspection equipment, laser cutters, and various other shop machinery that all run on XP. Even the old laptops I have for shop computers are networked with legacy versions of high end engineering software. It all runs fine. I have had exactly 1 hard drive crash in my entire 20 year career using computers (heck I started out using old cassette tapes on a computer my pops made from a sheet of plywood). I never lost more than a couple days worth of work. I have recovered hard drives I accidentally wiped out with $20 utilities.

The IRS are liars.


16 posted on 06/23/2014 7:23:00 PM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: DOGHEAD

I did the final security assessment for one of the state health exchanges. It involved connections to the IRS among other agencies.

There are a lot of regulations/laws they have broken, and thats not even touching the laws not involving IT security.


17 posted on 06/23/2014 7:23:41 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: DOGHEAD

Bureaucratic arrogance on parade. This is a French Revolution moment.


18 posted on 06/23/2014 7:25:01 PM PDT by Ouchthatonehurt ("When you're going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchill)
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To: Organic Panic
The IRS are liars.

Especially since your emails do not RESIDE on your hard drive.

19 posted on 06/23/2014 7:34:52 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: DOGHEAD

Koskinen made a slip when he said “del - lost” emails of Lois Lerner. [He was starting to say “deleted emails but caught himself halfway and said
‘del - lost”.


20 posted on 06/23/2014 7:37:44 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 (blubber)
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To: DOGHEAD

When government employees screw up... they ask for more money and authority.

If you work in the private sector, try that on your boss the next time you screw up.


21 posted on 06/23/2014 7:40:31 PM PDT by Fido969 (What's sad is most)
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To: UCANSEE2

Lois Claimed the 5th after she destroyed her email’s.
They had it backed up but nobody thought to ask them to get the backup. The commish cant remember who told him that they didn’t have all of Lois’s emails. Obama said he was going to get to the bottom of it last year.


22 posted on 06/23/2014 7:42:49 PM PDT by DOGHEAD
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To: Ouchthatonehurt
The arrogance of the head of the IRS was disgusting - such a snide, self-satisfied bastard. He could easily play the villain in a movie and Lois could be his sidekick. Think of the power he has - it's scary.
23 posted on 06/23/2014 7:42:59 PM PDT by Aria ( 2008 & 2012 weren't elections - they were coup d'etats.)
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To: DOGHEAD

For a second there, I thought that read: WKRP in Cincinnati.

My bad.

Cause Nobody in gubment would think turkey’s could seriously fly.

Would they?


24 posted on 06/23/2014 7:53:49 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: DOGHEAD
This reminds me - true story.

In the mid/late 80's and early 90's, the IRS used a certain type of Unix minicomputer (Zilog), which could run 8 - 32 serial dumb terminals. They used them to run a spreadsheet program called Microsoft Multiplan.

(Yes... at one time, Microsoft sold Unix software!)

I worked for a company that was a dealer for those minicomputers. These were getting long in the tooth technologically by the early 90's. We also got involved with a company that built computer systems using the VMEbus version of AT&T's 3B2 Unix computer systems.

So in the early 90's, the IRS wanted to replace their aging Zilog systems, but they couldn't get funding to do that. But they COULD get funding to "UPGRADE" those systems. Go figure... It's government.

So we were asked to "upgrade" their old Zilog systems, by replacing the entire guts of the system except for the case, power supply, and tape drive (LOL). It was an entirely different CPU, operating system (still Unix), memory, hard drive, and software.

But since they kept the case and tape drive (so they could use the same backup tapes, LOL!) management considered it an "upgrade"... But in reality it was an entirely new computer system.

We ended up not getting the contract because we could not figure out a way to interface the old QIC-11 (20MB) cartridge backup tape drives that the Zilog's used to work with the VMEbus.

25 posted on 06/23/2014 7:55:56 PM PDT by Mannaggia l'America
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To: Mannaggia l'America

Very interesting information.


26 posted on 06/23/2014 8:05:04 PM PDT by entropy12 (Obummer = worst president ever, thanks to voters who abstained on election day!)
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To: Aria

Not a whole lot of difference here.

27 posted on 06/23/2014 8:07:58 PM PDT by Tonytitan
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Good question.


28 posted on 06/23/2014 8:10:02 PM PDT by grom
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To: Tonytitan

No, there isn’t a lot of difference - maybe just a hairstyle. But who is it?


29 posted on 06/23/2014 8:14:08 PM PDT by Aria ( 2008 & 2012 weren't elections - they were coup d'etats.)
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To: DOGHEAD

No he’ll upgrade them to Windows ME to shortly transition to Vista.


30 posted on 06/23/2014 8:32:01 PM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: DOGHEAD; Man50D; Principled; EternalVigilance; phil_will1; kevkrom; Bigun; PeteB570; FBD; ...

Lets pile on, FairTaxers!

IRS is totally incompetent!

Replace the income tax with the FairTax and abolish the IRS!

Find out how to help us at http://www.fairtax.org.


31 posted on 06/23/2014 8:39:25 PM PDT by Taxman
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To: Mannaggia l'America

How interesting... Zilog minis were pretty obscure even in the late ‘80’s. They made good CPUs (Z80 had a pretty nice instruction set). IBM of course was king, but the BUNCH were the dominate players (Burroughs, Univac, NCR, CDC, Honeywell), plus AT&T had the B series... then Sun came along and crushed them all.


32 posted on 06/23/2014 8:40:52 PM PDT by uncommonsense (Liberals see what they believe; Conservatives believe what they see.)
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To: UCANSEE2

“Especially since your emails do not RESIDE on your hard drive.”

The IRS Commissioner is saying the targeted e-mails actually DID RESIDE only on the client computer’s hard drive in most instances, because he alleges the e-mail was being erased from the e-mail server after reaching an inbox limit of about 6,000 messages. He alleges the e-mail user was required to frequently download the user’s own e-mail from the e-mail server to the e-mail client computer hard drive before the e-mail was erased from the e-mail server.

What came out in today’s testimony was how the IRS did make hard drive image backups of the e-mail server/s and deemed the cost in time and money needed to recover the lost e-mail to be too great. That argument was then dismissed by another Congressman who pointed out quite rightly that the cost of printing selected e-mail for purposes of compliance with law and regulations was about 20 million dollars per year more expensive than just buying some inexpensive hard drives for the e-mail servers and/or the client computers.


33 posted on 06/23/2014 11:45:56 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX

$20 million dollars more? Do they need to deforest all of south America to get enough paper?


34 posted on 06/24/2014 12:03:28 AM PDT by wastedyears (I'm a pessimist, I say plenty of negative things. Consider it a warning of sorts.)
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To: Aria
No, there isn’t a lot of difference - maybe just a hairstyle. But who is it?

http://screenrant.com/24-live-another-day-michelle-fairley-game-thrones-red/

35 posted on 06/24/2014 12:19:02 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: WhiskeyX

Anyone who has dealt with government agencies and/or their requirements has tales to tell about security bordering on paranoia. No phones with cameras and no USB flash/thumb drives (Edward Snowden notwithstanding).

The Lerner HD tale is exponentially preposterous since it contradicts all written and practical rules that are common knowledge throughout federal agencies. The subsequent cosmic hard luck story is desperation of course but it requires us to believe that the same federal robots who meekly park in their assigned spaces, wear their access cards on their lanyards everywhere they go and generally behave as if they relished life in the new East Germany, suddenly ignored all IT polices and restrictions and started disseminating information to personal home computers.

Chaffetz nailed the IRS commissioner on the tape backup question and the commissioner, who is both a liar and ignorant of technology, fell back on an excuse that recovery would be ‘difficult.’

Nonsense. Recovery may take some time if you’re looking for specific things (not really if your backup procedures and logs are up to scratch) but they had months, even years for said recovery. Obviously he’s trying to have it both ways: they couldn’t recover it and when they could, it was too hard. *snif*


36 posted on 06/24/2014 5:06:33 AM PDT by relictele (Principiis obsta & Finem respice - Resist The Beginnings & Consider The Endual,etc)
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To: uncommonsense
How interesting... Zilog minis were pretty obscure even in the late ‘80’s. They made good CPUs (Z80 had a pretty nice instruction set).

They weren't wildly popular, but they were decent Unix systems. They used the Z8000 CPU, which was a 16-bit CPU that had little in common with the Z80, except for the first three characters of the name, and both being made by Zilog...

They ran a version of V7 Unix with some BSD utilities included. I basically taught myself Unix, shell scripting, vi, C, etc. on these computers.

They are mentioned here in relation to the IRS use of them. Funny, the article refers to them as "small supercomputers", which is just a little exaggerated..

37 posted on 06/24/2014 7:11:12 AM PDT by Mannaggia l'America
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To: driftdiver
Yes but that $2 Billion is focused on tracking every single penny Americans spend, save, or make. Every day, every penny, all the time, with real time access.

Eventually they’ll file our taxes for us.

Agree. This is very intimidating. And after the crap the GOP-e pulled in MS, we the people are in deep poop-pooh.

38 posted on 06/26/2014 10:17:12 AM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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