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Veteran may lose home over flag fight (Florida)
WTEV-TV, CBS 47 Jacksonville ^ | 6:02 p.m. Monday, June 23, 2014 | Erica Bennett

Posted on 06/24/2014 6:46:35 AM PDT by Olog-hai

The Stars and Stripes are at the center of controversy. At least at Larry Murphree’s home.

“I want it to go away. It’s such a minor little thing and they keep coming after me,” he explained.

“They” is Murphree’s homeowner’s association. He’s lived in the Sweetwater community for years, and been at odds with the HOA for more than two. All over a flag. The veteran decided to put one in his flower pot, and has been fined as a result.

“They just sent me a letter that says I owe them around $8,000 and they put a foreclosure lien on my house,” he continued. …

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TOPICS: Military/Veterans; Society
KEYWORDS: florida; hoa; oldglory; purge; usflag; veteran
Same thing as happened to Captain Jim Lowe in Griffin GA and George Andres of Jupiter FL . . . what is it with going after the vets?
1 posted on 06/24/2014 6:46:35 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

These HOA stooges are just future bureaucrats in training. I’d bet a fair amount of money that every one of the little fascists, in every HOA, are democrats.


2 posted on 06/24/2014 6:52:33 AM PDT by Sicon ("All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." - G. Orwell)
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To: Olog-hai

A “flag in a flowerpot” is not allowed...??? Now that is ridiculous and I have owned 4 condos...little Nazi’s at work...we threw one of those off our Board once


3 posted on 06/24/2014 6:53:27 AM PDT by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods)
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To: Sicon

I’d say you got that 100 percent correct.


4 posted on 06/24/2014 6:53:55 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Perhaps the HOA Board of Directors and their Lawyers need to be sued on a “personal” basis for continual harassment over an issue that Federal Law already has covered.


5 posted on 06/24/2014 6:54:00 AM PDT by The Working Man
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To: Olog-hai
"“There’s an actual Florida statute that says he can display this flag,” Carson said.

Federal law from 2005 also backs that up. We reached out to the law office that reprsents the HOA and got attorney Michelle Haines. She tells me if payment is not made within 30 days, the law office can move forward with foreclosure on Murphree's home.

Last year, after a similar fight, he filed a lawsuit and settled out of court, but the HOA flag display rules have been rewritten since then. Murphree said he won't stop until he can freely fly his flag.

Just another bunch of busy-bodies wishing to exert their perceived power over others, no matter what the law says.

6 posted on 06/24/2014 6:54:30 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: goodnesswins

Gotta be on to get them out, I guess.


7 posted on 06/24/2014 6:54:32 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
720.304 Right of owners to peaceably assemble; display of flag; SLAPP suits prohibited.—

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(2)(a) Any homeowner may display one portable, removable United States flag or official flag of the State of Florida in a respectful manner, and one portable, removable official flag, in a respectful manner, not larger than 41/2 feet by 6 feet, which represents the United States Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, or Coast Guard, or a POW-MIA flag, regardless of any covenants, restrictions, bylaws, rules, or requirements of the association.
8 posted on 06/24/2014 6:56:41 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Olog-hai

actually the HOA can be liable directly for pushing this anti-us flag effort in the face of florida law.

(see FL’s second amendment law)


9 posted on 06/24/2014 7:01:22 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Olog-hai

So THIS is what the HOA was so amped up about -- to the tune of $8,000??? WTH -- is ISIS running it???

When I was a Realtor, I warned clients about HOAs. Glad I did.

10 posted on 06/24/2014 7:02:06 AM PDT by ScottinVA (If it doesn't include border security, it isn't "reform." It's called "amnesty.")
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To: Olog-hai

He should force them to jail him....


11 posted on 06/24/2014 7:02:24 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: ScottinVA

Force the HOA to arrest him...

The public pressure alone would cause the HOA to collapse...

That is if we actually had a decent media...


12 posted on 06/24/2014 7:05:36 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Olog-hai

One wonders why veterans from every VFW and American Legion post from all over the state aren’t showing up outside the homes of the folks on “the Homeowners Association” to give them a little talking-to.


13 posted on 06/24/2014 7:06:12 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Olog-hai
“Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.”

H. L. Mencken

14 posted on 06/24/2014 7:06:48 AM PDT by tx_eggman (Liberalism is only possible in that moment when a man chooses Barabas over Christ.)
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To: Sicon

These HOA stooges are just future bureaucrats in training. I’d bet a fair amount of money that every one of the little fascists, in every HOA, are democrats.

HOAs are nothing more than NAZI Education Training organisations for control freaks..


15 posted on 06/24/2014 7:08:26 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Olog-hai

If at all possible to avoid it... never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, EVER buy a home in which an HOA has such administrative powers.

They are nothing but trouble.


16 posted on 06/24/2014 7:10:11 AM PDT by ScottinVA (If it doesn't include border security, it isn't "reform." It's called "amnesty.")
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To: tx_eggman

Politics start locally....


17 posted on 06/24/2014 7:11:00 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: longtermmemmory

Sounds to me like the veteran has cause for a nice juicy lawsuit.


18 posted on 06/24/2014 7:11:38 AM PDT by ScottinVA (If it doesn't include border security, it isn't "reform." It's called "amnesty.")
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To: goodnesswins

I read that as “We threw one off the building once” and stood up to cheer. I need coffee ;’)


19 posted on 06/24/2014 7:13:16 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: longtermmemmory
(2)(a) Any homeowner may display one portable, removable United States flag or official flag of the State of Florida in a respectful manner, and one portable, removable official flag, in a respectful manner, not larger than 41/2 feet by 6 feet, which represents the United States Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, or Coast Guard, or a POW-MIA flag, regardless of any covenants, restrictions, bylaws, rules, or requirements of the association.

Perhaps they are going after him based on the "respectful manner" clause.

20 posted on 06/24/2014 7:16:52 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: ScottinVA
If at all possible to avoid it... never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, EVER buy a home in which an HOA has such administrative powers. They are nothing but trouble.

HOA's have their pros and cons. But if a person is too much of a narcissist to live in one, they shouldn't. That way everybody wins.

21 posted on 06/24/2014 7:19:27 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Sicon

Never dealt with HOA, but it seems to be run by meddling old folks and people who enjoy being pr*cks.
Small people with small power. Would have been great CAPOS in Nazi death camps.


22 posted on 06/24/2014 7:24:57 AM PDT by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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To: rockrr

Haha...Some would have liked to do that to the guy.


23 posted on 06/24/2014 7:26:03 AM PDT by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods)
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To: Olog-hai

There are any number of things I don’t like here in CA and miss in VA. But I tell ya one thing I LOVE about CA. In the older neighborhoods, in fact in most neighborhoods except for the “planned communities” ... we have no HOA’s. HOAs are Lord of the Flies for adults.


24 posted on 06/24/2014 7:32:52 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: Olog-hai

We live in a deeded HOA Community. Flags are everywhere, on poles, garages, mail boxes, on car windows and bumpers. It doesn’t stop with the Stars and Stripes either. The Gadsden flag is 5 doors down the street, Canada, Britain, Germany, Holland, Scotland and even that Southern offensive secessionist flag can be found flying in our huge development. Also we have seen Army, Navy, USAF, USMC and POW flags under the Stars and Stripes. ISIS flags haven’t appeared yet, God help the ones who dare to try, too many senior Vets here with low toleration syndrome.


25 posted on 06/24/2014 7:38:11 AM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (Hillary 2016! Really??? That's Retarded Sir.)
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To: ScottinVA

That’s the first thing I told the Realtor when I was shopping for a house:

No HOA; map out the areas in the city which don’t have one and show me houses there.
Because I’m not about to let somebody tell me I can’t fly my country’s flag on my property.

I bought a house not in an hoa; there’s one nearby but they can’t expand.

Everyone keeps their yard tidy, and nobody gripes about my standard size flag.


26 posted on 06/24/2014 7:39:56 AM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: Olog-hai

If he flew the Obama symbol flag, or the homosexual rainbow flag, or the communist flag, or Mexican flag, or the Puerto Rican flag, they would have no problem with it.


27 posted on 06/24/2014 7:42:19 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Olog-hai

““When I first moved here, I loved it. it was wonderful. But it got where I’m being nitpicked more and more. I’ve lost a lot of friends and neighbors moving out. I don’t want to move.”

Yep, that is what happens when power hungry eichmans take over a HOA. Never buy in a community that has one and never let one get estabilished in your community!


28 posted on 06/24/2014 8:44:02 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: Sicon
I’d bet a fair amount of money that every one of the little fascists, in every HOA, are democrats.

And if said Democrats just happened to disappear, it would be justified preemptive self-defense.

29 posted on 06/24/2014 9:11:02 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: longtermmemmory
SLAPP suits prohibited.—

SLAPP = Strategic Lawsuit Against Political Participation. An old RAT tactic, bankrupt the political opposition by making them fight lawsuits while enriching their lawyer buddies.

30 posted on 06/24/2014 9:15:31 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: RIghtwardHo; Olog-hai; Moonman62; All
HOAs are Lord of the Flies for adults.

I think you got that right!

Moonman, your comment in post #21: HOA's have their pros and cons. But if a person is too much of a narcissist to live in one, they shouldn't. That way everybody wins.

There are as many narcissists in HOA neighborhoods as there are in free neighborhoods. They are the ones offended when the dad and son across the street build a tree-house in their yard or put a basketball hoop in their driveway. The narcissists are outraged when the guy down the street retires and buys an old car as a restoration project where his garage is the shop, leaving his regular car parked in the driveway overnight.

The narcissists are like an in-view former neighbor of mine, who sold her house and moved because her next-door neighbor had the temerity to, on a bleak hillside of timid off-white and bandaid-beige "Mediterranean" $3 million "villas," paint his home a rich deep Golden Gate red. The guy beat his HOA on that one, though it cost everybody over there $$, and my view is better for it.

HOAs have done more to kill personal creative productivity in America than any other development. Their FORCED homogenous sterility results from overwhelming regulation. Buying a piece of property and doing a one-off, with all of the codes and regulations and zoning requirements, is too expensive. In such a "free" market, mass-produced neighborhoods have become THE NORM in most new housing whether it is entry-level, middle range, or luxury high end.

Many if not most people are in HOAs because that's all that was available.

"Live and let live" is the best policy. If you're lucky enough to find an HOA where that is the prevailing sentiment, great. Most young families who live in them have no idea of what it could be like. They're like birds raised in cages. They would be lost if they were "allowed" to do what they please in their yards and with their homes. The "right to be offended" dominates sentiment in most HOAs.

Chuck Yeager said it best in American terms: "I've always said that the rules are made for people who aren't willing to make up their own -- and as far as I was concerned, that never described me or my friends."

HOAs are so ... European! Communist, more like.

31 posted on 06/24/2014 9:26:50 AM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Olog-hai

The rich developers are arrogant. THEY are the bums at the teat of that flag and veterans, not the veterans to be treated like homeless undesirable messing the place up.


32 posted on 06/24/2014 9:45:19 AM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: Finny

Indeed. What good is it to buy if you re treated as a renter. and to destroy competition they lobby for regs too, such as being against living off the grid. agenda 21.


33 posted on 06/24/2014 9:47:31 AM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: Finny

Decentralizing government and moving it toward the people is very Reaganesque. Like I said, if you don’t like it, then stay away and everybody will be happier.

If you want to live like an anarchist, breed rats in your yard and paint your house yellow and green, then buy a trailer outside the city limits.


34 posted on 06/24/2014 10:54:48 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Yorlik803
Would have been great CAPOS in Nazi death camps.

Yup. That's exactly what they are. They are the monsters who allow all tyranny to thrive. You'll find a large contingent of supporters here as well.

35 posted on 06/24/2014 11:47:40 AM PDT by zeugma (It is time for us to start playing cowboys and muslims for real now.)
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To: Finny
HOAs are so ... European!

Truth worth repeating.

36 posted on 06/24/2014 11:51:57 AM PDT by zeugma (It is time for us to start playing cowboys and muslims for real now.)
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To: Moonman62
If you want to live like an anarchist, breed rats in your yard and paint your house yellow and green, then buy a trailer outside the city limits.

If you, on the other hand, want to live like a prudish spinster with everything just so, live in an HOA.

37 posted on 06/24/2014 1:10:32 PM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Moonman62; All
If you want to live like an anarchist, breed rats in your yard and paint your house yellow and green ...

... OR if you want to live like a civilized free person, build your kids a tree-fort in the front yard, tear out the lawn and plant a garden, paint your house an actual color that you like, and work on projects in the garage ...

... then buy a trailer outside the city limits.

I have a better idea, Moonman. I think narcissists like you, who love and live to be offended by what their cretin trashy low-class bad-taste neighbors are doing, should buy a trailer and live in a neighborhood where all of you smarter, classier, more refined types can all police each other and leave us bad-taste cretins ALONE.

Everybody will be happier.

38 posted on 06/24/2014 1:21:09 PM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Olog-hai
How about a nice new paint job?


39 posted on 06/24/2014 1:29:43 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Moonman62

I find the flag in the plant “disrespectful” display....


40 posted on 06/24/2014 1:48:28 PM PDT by Engedi
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