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WHAT DO WE SEE THAT OTHERS DO NOT AND WHY DO WE SEE WHAT OTHERS DOE NOT?

Posted on 06/25/2014 12:39:53 PM PDT by 7thson

Wathinc BOR last night - please refrain the usual comments as to why and so on and so on. He spoke with Perino and Alan Colmes. Basic question - is Obama trying to bring the US down on purpose or is it just his policies. Answer from Perino - no, not on purpose, his belief system is just bad. BOR basically agreed.

Now back to my title question - wgat di we see that others do not? Why do we see it? Do those like Perino and BOR actually believe what they spout?

Personnaly - I think it is way past time for people to come around to the conclusion that Obama is purposely destroying this nation. Some time ago, Dennis Miller told BOR not to forget to turn the lights off when he leaves the room of giving Obama the benefit of the doubt. Dogged him for being the last believer of Obama's good intentions - but it seems that there are other RINOs out there who still believe in the mythical goodness of person Obama..

Why do they? Do they actually believe? What is in it for them? What will it take for these people to say this is a evil person bent on our personal destruction? Or are they so afraid of having to say they were wrong that they will continue to have blinders on while the country goes down in flames?

What say you Freepers?


TOPICS: Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: obama; oreilly; talkradio; tyranny

1 posted on 06/25/2014 12:39:53 PM PDT by 7thson
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To: 7thson

I see an E you didn’t see.


2 posted on 06/25/2014 12:43:46 PM PDT by dblshot (I am John Galt.)
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To: 7thson

To me, it doesn’t seem very relevant to know with certainty if he is purposely destroying the nation or doing so out of sheer ignorance of reality.

The simple fact that he IS destroying the nation is good enough for me to oppose him at every turn (and there are many twists and turns in this administration.)


3 posted on 06/25/2014 12:44:22 PM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: 7thson

He’s black and I’ve been called a racist more times than I can count, when spouting the consequences of his actions.

I went and had an opionectomy.

I feel great!


4 posted on 06/25/2014 12:44:31 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: 7thson

They don’t want to use that word, ‘evil’. And they don’t want to have to admit that he’s a far-left activist. They’ll call him liberal, but not socialist.

For us, there is no doubt that Barack Obama is indeed a communist, & that ideology is one of evil.

History instructs us on the truth.


5 posted on 06/25/2014 12:46:07 PM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: 7thson

It was very simple for me. After he spoke at the Democratic National Convention I looked into his background. The guy was clearly a communist.


6 posted on 06/25/2014 12:47:03 PM PDT by ryan71 (The Partisans)
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To: 7thson

I think there are a bunch of reasons:

1. They’re afraid of being labeled racist.

2. They have a personal stake in Obama’s success.

3. They love power over Truth.

4. They have “normalcy bias”, meaning that they think all of what’s going on is really just normal politics, because the alternative is just too scary for them to face.

I’m sure there are other reasons.


7 posted on 06/25/2014 12:47:30 PM PDT by scouter
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To: 7thson

Personnaly - I see wgat BOR was Wathinc wgat di Vietnam.


8 posted on 06/25/2014 12:47:33 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: 7thson

Mostly, I think, because the likes of BOR and Perino, even with all that is going on around them are immune financially to what is happening to the rest of us. Therefore they can’t comprehend the situation as we do. The elitists aren’t suffering yet.


9 posted on 06/25/2014 12:49:39 PM PDT by raybbr (Obamacare needs a death panel.)
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To: scouter
I think there are a bunch of reasons: 1. They’re afraid of being labeled racist. 2. They have a personal stake in Obama’s success. 3. They love power over Truth. 4. They have “normalcy bias”, meaning that they think all of what’s going on is really just normal politics, because the alternative is just too scary for them to face. I’m sure there are other reasons.

Those 4 certainly cover a lot of it (especially #4). Another reason is that it is very hard to "prove" what is going on in someone else's mind. It takes a lot of evidence viewed in context for a case to be made, and it certainly can't be done in these few minute segments on TV. That is why I think these types of segments do more harm than good. JMO.

10 posted on 06/25/2014 12:58:46 PM PDT by zzeeman ("We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality.")
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To: 7thson

Merely a semantic difference, IMO. Obama doesn’t think he is “purposely destroying” the country, just “purposely causing chaos in order to SAVE the country by making it more socialist”.


11 posted on 06/25/2014 12:58:57 PM PDT by dinoparty
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To: raybbr

Win! They’re so rich they don’t care. Gas prices, food prices, energy prices ... doesn’t touch them.


12 posted on 06/25/2014 12:59:12 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Told 'em not to science those burgers too hard. ~ Darksheare)
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To: raybbr

Obama is a Chicago Marxist using Alinsky tactics to forward his agenda. And he is doing it by implementing Cloward-Piven.

The explosions ithe Middle East is his Islamic roots.


13 posted on 06/25/2014 12:59:30 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz ("Heck of a reset there, Hillary")
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To: 7thson
I think that we have come a VERY LONG way, to get to the point that BOR sees that there is a possibility that the administration is hell-bent on EVIL, and it is not just a series of ineptitudes occurring. And it seems that Rush, Krauthammer, among others, are beginning to vocalize their suspicions that the corruption runs very deep. Most of these commentators have been careful. It makes me think they are starting to see what we see.
14 posted on 06/25/2014 1:02:05 PM PDT by NEMDF
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To: 7thson

[ Answer from Perino - no, not on purpose, his belief system is just bad. BOR basically agreed. ]

Either Normalcy Bias or they do know and are scared that if they admit it they will find their lives are harder...

So they are just blaming his “belief system”...


15 posted on 06/25/2014 1:03:49 PM PDT by GraceG (No, My Initials are not A.B.)
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To: 7thson

Millions of people who think they are very smart still have a naïve belief that simply because this is America, certain bad things can’t happen. They don’t realize that America is not immune to, for example, destruction from within. Anyone who knows anything about the people around Obama who have - at one time or another during his entire lifetime - influenced him or associated with him understands that it’s quite unlikely that his worldview could be much different than theirs. His (white) mother and her parents were communists. Frank Marshall Davis - the man Barack’s grandfather brought into to have a black presence in young Barack’s life - was a communist and the subject of a huge FBI file. Obama’s dad a stepfather were Marxists. Then there’s Rashid Khalidi, Bill Ayers, Jeremiah Wright and countless others; let alone the Muslim background, even attending muslim schools for a while. I considered Obama a communist or marxist until it dawned on me that communists and marxists want their nations to expand or at the very least maintain their power on the world stage. Obama wants to diminish America’s power. That becomes more clear every day. Thus, I now consider Obama a communist infiltrator. There is more evidence of that than otherwise. As president, he gets to (and has to, within the constructs of our weakened U.S. Constitution)do things that make him appear patriotic, or that he has America’s best interests at heart. He has to do that to some extent to maintain any political viability. But, he does not like America and as he promised five days before he was elected in 2008, he has set out to transform the nation — into what he wants it to be and opposite what maybe 85 percent (including most of the brainwashed) of what Americans want it to be. If they only knew.......


16 posted on 06/25/2014 1:05:31 PM PDT by line drive to right
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To: humblegunner

*snicker*


17 posted on 06/25/2014 1:09:47 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization).)
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To: 7thson

When you [generic you] have an attention span of about 11 seconds, the one who can jam an opinion into your brain is the winner. Thinking is hard! The only people who bother with it by choice are by definition people who want to get a leg up on others. They want to seek an advantage, to profit, to exploit others. That’s why they are thinking. But they are inherently predatory.

When you want to understand how things work and view the results of government intervention and you evaluate what people say and compare it to, for example, what they do, and how the results of what they say they want to do actually work out, then you are stuck with battling against that first impression that the first person who saw and fulfilled your 11 second attention span by shoving their bumper sticker slogan in there. There’s no interest in accurately describing reality nor really, anything but the immediate impression created by those first words. All those words have to do is to persist for about 11 seconds. That’s why “for the children” “war on women” racist haters” “Bush’s fault” “Bush lied” etc; etc; etc; And no matter how many damn times those memes are repeated, the people who find them comforting and aligned with their thinking aren’t in the market for finding out the truth, nor are they interested in understanding how things work. They just want to be perceived as in the same group as the other people who get their brains stuffed with bumper sticker slogans so they won’t get laughed at. They love being propagandized: It saves them from having to do all that annoying thinking stuff.

This is how Cochran won. An entire segment of the voting population bought a complete line of obvious bullcrap because it saved them from having to do their own thinking. It is what it is. Who else should morons elect but the chief moron?


18 posted on 06/25/2014 1:12:23 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (At no time was the Obama administration aware of what the Obama administration was doing)
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To: Twotone

You are right, Twotone. It is evil. There is a war going on constantly between the Good (God) and the Evil (Satan)
The Holy Spirit gives some of us the gift of discernment. Why we don not all have that gift, I do not know.


19 posted on 06/25/2014 1:12:31 PM PDT by ruesrose (The Anchor Holds)
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To: 7thson

Spell check is your friend.


20 posted on 06/25/2014 1:12:52 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: 7thson

BOR’s schtick is to be the “thoughtful” moderate. It means anything that is too, uh, radical is not a position he will take. I figured this out when he came down on the Swift Boat vets.

He doesn’t say what he believes. He says what he thinks will bolster his brand, which is the “thoughtful moderate”.

Even though there is no such thing.


21 posted on 06/25/2014 1:16:40 PM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: 7thson
Basic question - is Obama trying to bring the US down on purpose or is it just his policies. Answer from Perino - no, not on purpose, his belief system is just bad. BOR basically agreed.

 

Dr. Krauthammer Agrees With Us: Obama Greases the Skids of American Decline
Rush Limbaugh.com ^ | June 24, 2014 | Rush Limbaugh
 

Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2014 3:03:20 PM by Kaslin

BEGIN TRANSCRIPT

RUSH: I just told the broadcast engineer I wasn't gonna do this sound bite now, but now I'm gonna do it.

Last night on the Fox News Channel, The O'Reilly Factor, the guest was Dr. Krauthammer. I only say it that way 'cause Henry Kissinger said it that way to me once. He kept talking to me one time about the great Krauthammer column that he liked and, you know, me I'm a student of voices, so it just stick with me. I don't say it to disparage anybody. Just to be flexible and different. Dr. Krauthammer.

Anyway, Dr. Krauthammer was on the Fox News Channel last night, and it was during the story that O'Reilly calls the Personal Story segment, talking with Krauthammer about the United States retreating from the world, and O'Reilly said to Krauthammer, "Many people, including me, think that -- Charles, just how bad is it out there?"

KRAUTHAMMER: There's a big difference between decline as a condition and decline as a choice. What we have with Obama is a president choosing decline.

more...

Repeating last paragraph for emphasis.

KRAUTHAMMER: There's a big difference between decline as a condition and decline as a choice. What we have with Obama is a president choosing decline.

Back to the question. Is Obama trying to bring down the Country on purpose?

Answer:

HELL YEAH!


22 posted on 06/25/2014 1:21:01 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: 7thson

Are you posting this from a moving vehicle on a wrist-watch Ipad?

Just wondering...


23 posted on 06/25/2014 1:21:30 PM PDT by headsonpikes (Mass murder and cannibalism are the twin sacraments of socialism - "Who-whom?"-Lenin)
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To: 7thson
Big Trouble In Little China
24 posted on 06/25/2014 1:24:13 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
They love being propagandized: It saves them from having to do all that annoying thinking stuff.

Excellent! There's my reason #5.

25 posted on 06/25/2014 1:25:20 PM PDT by scouter
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To: 7thson

Perino is just too polite to say $hit if she had a mouthful.She does provide the common sense balance on the Five but sometimes she goes too far in justifying maladministration as only making ‘bad choices’. This is such a time.


26 posted on 06/25/2014 1:31:05 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: EQAndyBuzz

“Obama is a Chicago Marxist using Alinsky tactics to forward his agenda. And he is doing it by implementing Cloward-Piven.

The explosions ithe Middle East is his Islamic roots.
“”

Okay, what does that have to do with the thread? How does that explain the myopia of the GOP elites?


27 posted on 06/25/2014 1:32:26 PM PDT by raybbr (Obamacare needs a death panel.)
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To: Alex Murphy

OK, so when they were in the elevator, was “Girl from Ipanima” playing?

Or was that The Blues Brothers...


28 posted on 06/25/2014 1:32:37 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: 7thson

Even I, as someone who has a great deal of antipathy toward the Current Occupant, have a hard time believing that he’s genuinely evil or that he purposefully wants to bring the country down. This isn’t to say that I haven’t often thought it or that I couldn’t be persuaded fully, but it’s a very serious charge to level and I don’t like leveling very serious charges lightly.

I think it has something to do with an ingrained respect for the office, a (perhaps naive) belief that no one person or administration can truly bring down a country (especially one that supposedly has the checks and balances ours does) and a feeling that if things were really as bad or about to get as bad as some believe, the people wouldn’t let it happen in the end.

And this is my viewpoint as an average guy. If I have trouble wrapping my head around it, imagine the difficulty of those who have a lot more to lose and who aren’t as affected by his policies as I am (or as we are).


29 posted on 06/25/2014 1:32:58 PM PDT by baltiless
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To: 7thson

Your spelling and phrase construction are poor.

I’m not so fussy about this on replies, since they are lower profile. But for full posts you really would think the standards would be a little higher.

In some places I can’t really tell what you are saying.


30 posted on 06/25/2014 1:33:37 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: 7thson
DOE NOT?

Why not?

31 posted on 06/25/2014 1:34:54 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: 7thson
wgat di

******************

何が?

32 posted on 06/25/2014 1:36:31 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: 7thson

What do you expect from someone who claims their identity is “private”? That’s a big clue right there.


33 posted on 06/25/2014 1:37:42 PM PDT by Ray76 (True change requires true change - A Second Party ...or else it's more of the same...)
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To: humblegunner

LOL


34 posted on 06/25/2014 1:41:25 PM PDT by Osage Orange (I have strong feelings about gun control. If there's a gun around, I want to be controlling it.)
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To: raybbr
I disagree....

I make good money. And I'm very aware of what's going on...in D.C. And I don't get PAID to pay attention.

35 posted on 06/25/2014 1:43:30 PM PDT by Osage Orange (I have strong feelings about gun control. If there's a gun around, I want to be controlling it.)
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To: Osage Orange
I disagree.... I make good money. And I'm very aware of what's going on...in D.C. And I don't get PAID to pay attention.

What's your explanation, then?

I still say the likes of BOR are insulated from the pain. They don't want to see what's going on because it means they would have to deal with it.

36 posted on 06/25/2014 1:45:11 PM PDT by raybbr (Obamacare needs a death panel.)
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To: Alex Murphy

“Big Trouble in Little China” one of my favorite Kurt Russel movies.


37 posted on 06/25/2014 1:46:43 PM PDT by raybbr (Obamacare needs a death panel.)
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To: raybbr
It wasn't many years ago...that BOR didn't understand that the MSM was biased.

BOR is a lazy ass....thinking he's something to America.

He's a joke.....and FOX should fire him.

38 posted on 06/25/2014 1:49:12 PM PDT by Osage Orange (I have strong feelings about gun control. If there's a gun around, I want to be controlling it.)
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To: humblegunner

Bwhahaha! LwgatOL!!!


39 posted on 06/25/2014 1:49:19 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: FourtySeven
The simple fact that he IS destroying the nation is good enough for me to oppose him at every turn (and there are many twists and turns in this administration.)

The simple fact is that he-alone is irrelevant. Why?
Because without the Congress especially, and Supreme Court in general, allowing him to act freely he could not do anything. This is to say that the inaction of the other two branches is an action just as much as the decision to refrain from helping someone is a decision nonetheless.

Plus, you should always remember that Congress holds the purse-strings, if they wanted they could defund any portion of the federal government — I find it amazing/astounding/incredible that during the semi-initial revelations of the NSA domestic-espionage programs the possibility of defunding even came up.

40 posted on 06/25/2014 1:49:29 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: scouter

5. Because they get paid for their oh so thoughtful opinion so they pretend to have given great thought to their opinion unlike the partisan hacks.

BTW, if they were paid for what their opinion is actually worth they would starve.


41 posted on 06/25/2014 1:54:17 PM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: raybbr

What does it have to do with this thread? Hmmm.... Let me see.

“Personnaly - I think it is way past time for people to come around to the conclusion that Obama is purposely destroying this nation”

And he is using Alinsky tactics and Cloward-Piven to destroy it.

Does that work for you?


42 posted on 06/25/2014 1:56:05 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz ("Heck of a reset there, Hillary")
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To: 7thson
It depends what you mean my bring down.

Did the Communist want to bring down Russia?..did The Nazi want to bring down Germany ? in both cases they want to fundamentally change the nation but did function like nationals, so only if the could not change would destroy..in that order..they wanted the Nation soul

Obama function more like an outsider he wants to destroy / fundamentally change. in that order..

He wants a different nation in the same current US land space.. it not wanting the nation sole..he want that dead..he to possess the body for a different soul of his making...

Really to you even recognizing an Obama person as behaving in any shape of form like an American?.. Same reason Dem want to flood the us with illegal..their not to assimilate to be Americans..there to replace American in every thing but name...

The left see Americas and porn to be wipe out and replaced..the lefts version of "Born Again"

We are to be replace by the lefts dream "new man" aka ... pod people ...

43 posted on 06/25/2014 2:17:50 PM PDT by tophat9000 (An Eye for an Eye, a Word for a Word...nothing more)
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To: OneWingedShark

If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice.


44 posted on 06/25/2014 2:18:06 PM PDT by bicyclerepair (The zombies here elected alcee hastings. TERM LIMITS ... TERM LIMITS)
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To: bicyclerepair
If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice.

Exactly my point.

45 posted on 06/25/2014 2:43:53 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: 7thson

In 2000 i asked this question out loud.
I was in tallahasee during judge sanders saul who was hearing bush vs gore.
A voice behind me spoke. I think she was haitian. She said “only the believers can see”.

I almost fell to my knees. Tears streamed down my face.
It was life changing.

I believe the holy spirit gives us discernment. I believe its a gift.
Its the only thing that makes any sense.

IMHO.


46 posted on 06/25/2014 3:13:38 PM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HnodredscottIM all things are possible.)
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To: OneWingedShark

“This is to say that the inaction of the other two branches is an action just as much as the decision to refrain from helping someone is a decision nonetheless.”

$0 years of PC conditioning set the stage for the above when convenient lies were substituted for the truth and America closed her eyes and mouthed untruth rather than stand with truth.

No PC conditioning-no obozo as president.


47 posted on 06/25/2014 3:37:38 PM PDT by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: line drive to right

Only a man steeped in hatred of America (raised by angry young yute parents abroad) would say that he wants to FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE it and change its traditions and history.

Every utterance from this man to other nations has been how America’s history sucked UNTIL he became king.


48 posted on 06/26/2014 10:36:44 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The new witchhunt: "Do you NOW, . . . or have you EVER , . . supported traditional marriage?")
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