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WEEKLY GARDEN THREAD VOLUME 26 JUNE 27, 2014
Free Republic | 6/27/2014 | greeneyes

Posted on 06/27/2014 12:49:59 PM PDT by greeneyes

The Weekly Gardening Thread is a weekly gathering of folks that love soil, seeds and plants of all kinds. From complete newbies that are looking to start that first potted plant, to gardeners with some acreage, to Master Gardener level and beyond, we would love to hear from you. This thread is non-political, although you will find that most here are conservative folks.

No matter what, you won’t be flamed and the only dumb question is the one that isn’t asked. It is impossible to hijack the Weekly Gardening Thread. There is no telling where it will go and... that is part of the fun and interest. Jump in and join us!

NOTE: This is a once a week ping list. We do post to the thread during the week. Links to related articles and discussions which might be of interest are welcomed, so feel free to post them at any time.


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Greetings from Missouri, We have beautiful weather. 81 degrees outside and 76 degrees indoors and only the fans are on.

Had trouble posting, this is my third try. Computer doing funky stuff, and fingers hitting wrong keys.LOL

Nothing new with the garden. It's time for the 3rd planting of corn. First has tassels and silking. Second went bust. Hoping 3rd times a charm.

Been extra busy with volunteer work. Will be spending the weekend catching up with gardening, indoor chores, and some swimming and R&R.

Hope all is well with you and your gardens. Have a great weekend. God Bless.

1 posted on 06/27/2014 12:49:59 PM PDT by greeneyes
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To: greeneyes; Diana in Wisconsin; gardengirl; girlangler; SunkenCiv; HungarianGypsy; Gabz; ...

Pinging the List.


2 posted on 06/27/2014 12:53:01 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

OK will every Yellow Blossom on my Tomato Plants evolve into a Tomato?


3 posted on 06/27/2014 12:58:39 PM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: US Navy Vet

Not too often. But a lot will. You can increase the odds by doing a manual pollination with a q tip or tiny paint brush.


4 posted on 06/27/2014 1:02:26 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

I’m a new gardener. I think we have aster yellows in some of our plants. Dug them up and trashed them. Hope the disease does not spread to the rest.

I’ve been spraying with insecticidal soap and chasing (and crushing) leaf hoppers out of the flowers when I find any. Also having trouble with mealy bugs.

I guess this year will be my learning curve, but it’s frustrating. I have been cursing these bugs every time I catch sight of them. Does it get better? I live in NC (zone 7b).


5 posted on 06/27/2014 1:03:16 PM PDT by punknpuss
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To: greeneyes; All
Greetings! It's a glorious day here in Massachusetts!

This is our container corn as of 6/8/14:

This is the same container corn as of 6/24/14:

6 posted on 06/27/2014 1:05:05 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: greeneyes

Ah never in doubt. TWGT postings are as reliable as a Swiss watch. Well we had some good rains earlier in the week here in North Texas. All the greenies took a liking to the deep drink from above. Got 2 cukes now and also a cubanelle and anaheim pepper popped out nicely. The ‘maters are slow but the beefsteak variety seems to be doing the best. I gave them all a nice little covering of compost with cultivating too. Speaking of ‘Swiss’ the chard variety in pots took forever to get going but I’m picking a few leaves for the salads now. Now if we can only keep the dreaded triple digit temps at bay but next week the heat is on so they say.


7 posted on 06/27/2014 1:05:23 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: greeneyes

Well, the bunnies have been dispatched, but not before they did a lot of damage. On a good note, I’ve talked hubby into several additional beds, all raised. Yay! I might start selling next year!


8 posted on 06/27/2014 1:18:43 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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Our little “whistle-pig” is still with us. He/she is living under the screen house, and comes out to eat the flowering weeds. So adorable!


9 posted on 06/27/2014 1:21:20 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: greeneyes
Looks like everyone is in full swing as we start to wind down here in Central Texas.

My first swing at potatoes here had excellent results. Salad greens are on their last legs and have gone on longer than I expected due to some much needed rain and moderate temps. Of special note this year were the peaches which were the best I can remember...ever.

Tomatoes are on the downside of their peak which was 20 a day of Celebrity and Purple Cherokee off of 8 plants. Also plenty of Roma and San Marzano. The latter have done very well and are quite tasty. I am also impressed with the Heinz Roma and will plant again if I can find them.

Peppers and okra of course and plenty of shallots and 1015s.

The blueberry experiment results are somewhat iffy. Only the first year after hollowing out a huge chunk of native "dirt" and filling with a mix of acid soil and peat moss. Almost impossible to keep them wet enough..or something. Think it's going to work out that store bought is a lot cheaper and better. No so the thornless blackberries which I expect would grow just about anywhere. Not as much fun as native dew berries but a lot bigger and tastier.

Despite a very warm spring just an excellent year for the garden.

10 posted on 06/27/2014 1:24:08 PM PDT by Proud_texan (Strange how paranoia can link up with reality now and then. - PK Dick)
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To: greeneyes
It's not too hot here in Central TX, but it is humid. A pop up shower would be nice. I have tomatoes that I don't have enough neighbors and friends to foist them all on. I picked a 27" cucuzza today. Gave it away.

Thonked a SVB moth on the head, but it was tougher than my thonking it. Went to get some bug spray, but by then it had left....not before it laid about fifteen eggs at various places on my Tromboncino Squash Vines, and probably some places I had missed. The eggs don't wash off. They have to be picked off. I wonder if there is some "natural enemy" to SVB moths..I know there is BT for the maggoty borer babies.

If I make it through summer without falling off my ladder which I use in my Cucuzza/Tromboncino obsession it will mean my guardian angel is putting in overtime.

Also today, I bought a pump sprayer so I can do foliar feedings on my plants.

11 posted on 06/27/2014 1:24:28 PM PDT by sockmonkey (Of course I didn't read the article. After all, this is Free Republic.)
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This is Lemon Boy on the left, jalapenos, and Purple Giants, with San Marzanos on the right. Radishes and mini carrots are sprinkled in between as ground cover, all as of 6/8/14:

This is as of 6/24/14:


12 posted on 06/27/2014 1:27:07 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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Just came in for an iced (sweet) tea break (HOT & humid outside today) from moving the pots from around one of my raised beds. The ‘squash square’, an old sandbox with cattle panel around 3 sides, is home for my Trombettas (2) and the one Cucuzzi that I managed to germinate. The Trombettas in particular, are hanging off the wire since they have outgrown it and are grabbing on to everything in the pots! I’ve had to untangle their climbing tendrils from around clumps of garlic chives, basil, marigolds, tomato stakes, and each other. Anything that’s not moving, they’re grabbing! I’m clearing everything away from the squash square and putting it on the ends of my other two raised beds, which will take care of the ‘grabbing’ problem and neaten everything up. I’m sure the plants escaping the squash invasion will be much happier.

In other garden news:
Sugar Sweet cherry type tomtatoes - I’ve had 4 ripen & they are delicious.
Tomatoes (regular) - all 4 are fairly loaded with tomatoes & the Bonnie Original has one that should be ripe by the 4th of July.
Eggplant - harvested one small Ichiban & have maybe 4 more that are growing.
Cucumbers - quite a few 2 inch or so babies - looking forward to some Gurkensalat
Squash - harvested the first Trombetta (25-1/2 inches long) and used a julienne peeler to make almost-noodles (close enough), sauteed and made a sauce ... little Parmesan to top it off .... delicious!
Lettuce - cutting almost every night & surprisingly, even in the heat, it’s growing back
Radishes - harvesting as they get big enough - found out I love them diced in tuna salad
Peppers (bell) - really starting to bloom - hope I have a crop
Peppers (poblano & jalapeno) - growing ... which is progress ‘cause they got a very slow start.
Marigolds - starting to bloom - yay!
Basil - Japanese beetles are putting a hurting on them, but I’ve been able to cut some for cooking.
Herbs (thyme, oregano) - growing well
Garlic chives - being harvested today - sowed seed in some pots & few came up, but the ones that did are big enough to do something with.

I have 5 empty pots after all this .... now I have the fun of figuring out what else I can/should plant. :-) One thing’s for sure - I want an herb garden next year, two more 4x8 raised beds, and some system devised for the Trombetta/Cucuzzi squash to grow on ... my cattle panels aren’t big enough & there are no trees nearby!


13 posted on 06/27/2014 1:33:31 PM PDT by Qiviut ( One of the most delightful things about a garden is the anticipation it provides. (W.E. Johns)
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To: greeneyes

Great to hear of your beautiful weather.

We have been getting some much needed rain lately. One inch a couple of days ago, but I didnt check the gauge today when I was out. We did get a short rain shower today though. Nothing left here but peppers of various kinds, bananas and various hot peppers, all doing good.


14 posted on 06/27/2014 1:42:52 PM PDT by rightly_dividing (Liberals don’t think along the same lines as Americans--FReeper ScottinVA)
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To: Qiviut
One thing’s for sure - I want an herb garden next year, two more 4x8 raised beds, and some system devised for the Trombetta/Cucuzzi squash to grow on ... my cattle panels aren’t big enough & there are no trees nearby!

The reason I gave my cucuzza away was because the person called, and wanted to see it, and as soon as he saw it got really excited..
"Where can I get seeds?"
"How do you cook them?"
" Never seen anything like it."
"I'm going to grow some of those next year"

15 posted on 06/27/2014 1:44:06 PM PDT by sockmonkey (Of course I didn't read the article. After all, this is Free Republic.)
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To: punknpuss
Hopefully it will. I am not familiar with aster yellows. The only pest spray I use is a home made mix of garlic,onion,cayenne pepper,water and a drop of oil, and 2 drops of dish washing liquid.

Garlic drawback is that it is not selective. I usually don't spray anything. If I can't pinch it off and squash it or trap it and drown it (slugs in beer) I don't do much.

Hubby sprays a promethium(not sure of spelling) spray in the evenings that is gone by morning so as to avoid the main time the bees are out.

My organic book indicates that if the soil is good, and the crops are interspersed, then damage will be minimal, with plenty for all. Tomatoes like basil and carrots and basil has a bonus as a mosquito deterrent. Garlic is stinky and deters some pests.

You might want to do a web search on organic pest control and companion planting. If you know the name of the pest throw that in too.Check out www.GardensAlive.com they have a good section in their main catalog that has pictures of plants damaged by insects or dieseases and advice on treatments.

16 posted on 06/27/2014 1:50:46 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: trisham

Nice. Thanks for the pictures.


17 posted on 06/27/2014 1:52:13 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes
Another slow week, as I'm still not 100%. I didn't get much done, except harvesting the garlic, and making some sweet pickle relish.

Will harvest the sunflowers in a week or so. Tobacco going very slow. Tomatoes finally taking off. Peppers may be a flop for the spring planting. I'll start some more next week.

Too many cukes, and they are never ready when the daughter is around to take them. grrr....

/johnny

18 posted on 06/27/2014 1:52:17 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: greeneyes

Thanks, greeneyes.


19 posted on 06/27/2014 1:53:21 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: goodwithagun

Congrats on getting the agreement for more beds.


20 posted on 06/27/2014 1:53:26 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: trisham

Adorable means pictures required.LOL


21 posted on 06/27/2014 1:54:14 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Proud_texan

Glad you are having a good year. The dew berries here are huge compared to the black berries. The dew berries and blackberries we have are mostly wild natives.

Whenever they spring up, we put a chicken wire circle around them so they don’t get mowed over till they get well established. Then we put a brick or rock circle around them.

The larger patches have metal hoops that we use to keep the netting from tangling in the bushes.


22 posted on 06/27/2014 1:58:08 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes; US Navy Vet
All you have to do is give the stem the flowers are on a couple of taps with your finger or a small stick - usually the wind will do this naturally. The vibration is all the flowers need to self pollinate. I have been doing this to each and every tomato plant every morning for years when checking for pests and have produced great yields tomatoes.  photo 004-3.jpg  photo 001-9.jpg
23 posted on 06/27/2014 1:59:22 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 ((VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!))
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To: greeneyes

I’ll try to get some. She’s usually out in the morning, and sometimes in late afternoon.


24 posted on 06/27/2014 2:00:35 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: sockmonkey

We have no outdoor tomatoes that are ripe yet, so I am jealous of your tomato production. Hubby’s garden is doing well so far. Yesterday he bought a drip hose and now has water running through it into his garden from the swimming pool water collected from the roof top.

We had up to 3000 gallons when he started. I still have to lug buckets, so we need to figure out a better way for me too.


25 posted on 06/27/2014 2:02:03 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Proud_texan

My San Marzano tomatoes are my best producers = good looking healthy plants with loads of tomatoes on each plant.


26 posted on 06/27/2014 2:03:26 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 ((VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!))
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To: trisham

Nice pictures. Those have to be easier on the back than regular gardens, and they look so nifty too.


27 posted on 06/27/2014 2:04:36 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

Dew berries were puny this year, just not enough water. I think we had only a bit over 2 inch YTD by June 1. Fortunately we have had a wet June (by our standards) but native stuff didn’t do well.


28 posted on 06/27/2014 2:05:11 PM PDT by Proud_texan (Strange how paranoia can link up with reality now and then. - PK Dick)
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To: Red_Devil 232
Wife gives the yellow blossoms a light “pinch” and this is all that's needed for an avalanche of tomatoes. We have harvested about 100 cherry tomatoes and two dozen of the larger variety. The plants are over 6 feet tall.

I will grind my first paprika of the season. Peppers were cut into pieces and dried on a pie plate in the sun. I recommend doing this out doors...

29 posted on 06/27/2014 2:06:55 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: greeneyes

They’re much easier on my knees, too.


30 posted on 06/27/2014 2:07:45 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Red_Devil 232

It’s my first year to grow them and I am impressed! Probably a good 60 or so on each plant. Will certainly be planting again as, in addition to sauce they also do well for salsa.


31 posted on 06/27/2014 2:09:15 PM PDT by Proud_texan (Strange how paranoia can link up with reality now and then. - PK Dick)
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To: rightly_dividing

Looks like to much rain is doing in quite a few of my tomato plants. The landscape fabric and the mulch I have topped it with is keeping the soil a little to moist. I need a few days without the afternoon popcorn showers - some have been quite heavy. I will be putting up some shade cloth in the next few days as the temps are rising and the glaring sun and heat to a job on my tomatoes.


32 posted on 06/27/2014 2:12:30 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 ((VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!))
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To: Red_Devil 232

Great looking plants and harvest.


33 posted on 06/27/2014 2:16:46 PM PDT by rightly_dividing (Liberals don’t think along the same lines as Americans--FReeper ScottinVA)
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To: Red_Devil 232
San Marzano tomatoes are my best producers..

I hear they are real tasty too. Bought a seed packet of them a few weeks ago and have one seedling sprouted to be used as a backup and just for fun experimenting. Just may transplant it in early Sept and hope for some late Fall production if the temps cooperate.

34 posted on 06/27/2014 2:17:54 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Looks like your tomatoes are getting big. ;)

/johnny

35 posted on 06/27/2014 2:20:04 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: greeneyes

Simple discoveries excite me! For many years to combat squash bugs I’d spray pyrethrum at the crack of dawn and go down the rows squishing the individual bugs. What I found this season to deal with the squash bugs is to do so at night. During the day they tend to want to hide from the sun so they hide on the under sides of the leaves making it quite the chore to turn the leaves to find them. I have found that by doing the search and destroy campaign at night with a good head lamp they are much more visible on the stems and tops of the leaves, and it seems the light ‘freezes’ them because they don’t run away either. This is a HUGE advantage for me since I am tending about 140-150 summer squash plants this year. Haven’t had to spray pyrethrum yet, though I do foliar feed.


36 posted on 06/27/2014 2:21:34 PM PDT by Carthego delenda est
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To: Qiviut

Great going on the gardening. I am hearing thunder, so I think I’ll dash out and see if I can sneak in a planting before the drops start. Be back in a jiff.


37 posted on 06/27/2014 2:22:39 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Thanks for posting my garden pix.

—Eric


38 posted on 06/27/2014 2:22:49 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: Red_Devil 232

Beautiful!


39 posted on 06/27/2014 2:23:45 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Red_Devil 232

We dont mulch over the fabric, so it probably helps evaporation. The garden is on a hill and is sandy soil, so soil too wet has not been a problem for us, plus, this part of Texas doesn’t get much rain in a normal year, less most years lately.

Our “window” in the tree canopy is closing up, I think, so we may not be able to garden much longer. If we don’t get better looking plants going in the next 2 seasons, we will probably shut it down.


40 posted on 06/27/2014 2:29:01 PM PDT by rightly_dividing (Liberals don’t think along the same lines as Americans--FReeper ScottinVA)
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To: Red_Devil 232
I may switch to San Marzano next year. The reason I use Romas is that they are good for almost everything, and that's what you can buy cheap for the restaurants.

Having had the San Marzanos, now that I'm not buying for a restaurant, I may do that.

/johnny

41 posted on 06/27/2014 2:30:55 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: greeneyes

For people in the West with hard packed soil, dry conditions and frequent high winds, I found a way to retain water in soil for plants outside of greenhouses (hay, grains, etc.).

Dig a trench. Do so in line with a contour if on a slope (more or less keep the trench level). Bury wood in it (rotten trees, limbs, whatever), and cover it back up with soil. Keep the surface more or less smooth and level with surrounding soil afterwards. Let the wood rot in the soil. Try growing grains or whatever along that area after a couple of years or so. The soil should stay loosened up for a long time, and the water shouldn’t evaporate so fast during windy days.


42 posted on 06/27/2014 2:40:35 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: greeneyes

The apple tree the moose munched on a couple weeks ago looks like it might survive. Harvested all the bokchoy and gave away 1/2 at the senior center. My spinach was the best I’ve ever tasted, I’m still picking leaves off as they get big enough.

Arugula wants to bolt but I keep it at bay, so far, by pinching off the bigger stalks. Still lots of good tender leaves for awhile. Started picking kale and swiss chard this week. Beets are up. Took the walls of water off the tomatoes yesterday. Beans and peas are leaping up, ready to grab onto their guiding strings. Pumpkin is spreading out, I’ll need to thin out a few plants.

Garlic looks great. Potatoes are starting to flower. Just starting to get warm here in Montana, 90’s coming next week; things should really start to take off.


43 posted on 06/27/2014 2:43:59 PM PDT by Comment Not Approved (When bureaucrats outlaw hunting, outlaws will hunt bureaucrats.)
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To: rightly_dividing

I heard thunder and tried to beat the rain to get some stuff planted before it hit, but just as I stuck the first seed in the ground it opened up a huge deluge not just rain drops, so I came running back in.LOL C’est la vie.


44 posted on 06/27/2014 2:51:17 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: sockmonkey

Did I miss something? You gave your cucuzza away? The ones you were checking on at one in the morning 8’ up on a ladder with a flashlight? :-)

BTW, the first one is growing so I think it got pollinated and I think a second one was as well. Since I cleared the pots, baby C #1 has more room - it’s outside the wire and hanging over where the pots used to be.

When I was moving a pot, a toad hopped out .... he’s now in the tomato patch so the weed eater wouldn’t get him. He’s welcome back to eat bugs any time.


45 posted on 06/27/2014 2:59:37 PM PDT by Qiviut ( One of the most delightful things about a garden is the anticipation it provides. (W.E. Johns)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Sorry you are not 100% yet. Glad you are better. Cukes never cooperate here either. Every time I run across someone that likes them, I have none. When I have no one to give them to, I have too many to get processed.

We have only had one little misshapen cuke so far. I just stuck it and some onion into a sweet and spicy pickled zuke jar that was almost empty. Had some earlier on top of my salad. It was great.

I was looking for some sirrachi sauce, and it's nowhere to be found - could you suggest a decent alternative or maybe homemade recipe that would be good. We had some combo of sirrachi, hoisin, and lime juice at the Shogun restaurant, and it was great to dip the stir fry broccoli in. It was not as hot as sirrachi but just the right amount of kick for me.

Since I usually can't stand broccoli unless it is smothered in cheese, I thought this would be a great way to eat it.

46 posted on 06/27/2014 3:02:20 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Red_Devil 232

Thanks RD. I do that too especially for the ones I grow indoors. You are right it gives plenty. I was too focused on the 100% fruit per flower and forgot to mention it.


47 posted on 06/27/2014 3:05:16 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes
Sadly, there is no replacement for sriracha sauce. I have extra bottles, just so I don't run out.

/johnny

48 posted on 06/27/2014 3:05:25 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Red_Devil 232

Which are the San Marzano in your picture?


49 posted on 06/27/2014 3:07:07 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: JRandomFreeper; Eric in the Ozarks

Holy Moly - it’s a tomato tree. Thanks for posting.


50 posted on 06/27/2014 3:10:23 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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