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Letter Describes Battle of Kennesaw Mountain
Washington Times ^ | 27 June 2014

Posted on 06/28/2014 7:20:39 PM PDT by fella

ATHENS, Ga. (AP) - A letter recently donated to the libraries at the University of Georgia gives an eyewitness account of the Battle of Kennesaw Mountain during the Civil War.

The letter is from Joseph Short to his wife, Nancy. It is part of the collection of William Joseph and Nancy Wallis Short family papers recently donated by Roger Rowell to UGA’s Hargrett Rare Book and Manuscript Library.

The Battle of Kennesaw Mountain began at 8 a.m. on June 27, 1864. By noon it was over, and Union Maj. Gen. William T. Sherman had lost the battle and 3,000 of his soldiers. But his army outflanked the Confederate Army after a five-day standoff and forced it to retreat to Smyrna. Sherman continued to head to Atlanta.

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3,000 more dead for reparations.
1 posted on 06/28/2014 7:20:39 PM PDT by fella
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To: fella

How much better would our nation be, if the South had won, then a few years later we had reunified under stronger states rights?

I am not advocating slavery. That was a horrible stain on our nation, however, the abuse of power of the all powerful national government has enslaved us all.


2 posted on 06/28/2014 7:23:12 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Liberty or Big Government - you can't have both.)
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To: fella

I think I recall this battle being called “the battle above the clouds”. It gave whole new meaning to “having the high ground”.

CC


3 posted on 06/28/2014 7:25:34 PM PDT by Celtic Conservative (tease not the dragon for thou art crunchy when roasted and taste good with ketchup)
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To: fella
This was one of the battles on Sherman's march to Atlanta.

According to the Gone With The Wind, the citizens of Atlanta could hear the battle clearly; Kennesaw is about 25 miles from Atlanta.

4 posted on 06/28/2014 7:25:57 PM PDT by Steely Tom (How do you feel about robbing Peter's robot?)
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To: Celtic Conservative

The Battle Above the Clouds was at Lookout Mountain about Chattanooga. It was a Union victory.

My GGrandfather lost 3 Brothers at Chickamauga which was part of the same series of battles but a Confederate victory. The Confederates charged the Union lines several times before finally breaking through. It was a bit of a Pyrrhic victory in that the South lost a lot of men.


5 posted on 06/28/2014 7:30:22 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: Celtic Conservative

I believe that “The Battle Above the Clouds” was Lookout Mountain, Tn.


6 posted on 06/28/2014 7:31:47 PM PDT by catpuppy
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To: fella

I remember visiting the site of the Battle of Cheatham Ridge which was part of the Kennesaw Mountain battles. This was back in the 60s.

It was a very one sided Confederate victory.


7 posted on 06/28/2014 7:32:36 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: fella
the Battle of Kennesaw Mountain

When I first glanced at the thread, I thought it was talking about the Black Sox scandal, but it is something a lot more serious than that.

8 posted on 06/28/2014 7:34:06 PM PDT by Mark17 (Rats and RINOs, who are destroying America, may you be smacked by the fly swatter of reality)
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To: Mark17

I wonder how Judge Kennesaw Mountain Landis got his name?


9 posted on 06/28/2014 7:35:46 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: Celtic Conservative

The mountain anchored the lines, but most of the fighting was on lower ground to the south between Pigeon Ridge and Cheatham Hill.


10 posted on 06/28/2014 7:38:39 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: FreeAtlanta

I couldn’t agree more!


11 posted on 06/28/2014 7:40:56 PM PDT by Gunpowder green
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To: catpuppy; yarddog

I stand corrected, gentlemen.

CC


12 posted on 06/28/2014 7:44:04 PM PDT by Celtic Conservative (tease not the dragon for thou art crunchy when roasted and taste good with ketchup)
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To: yarddog

His father fought in the battle, for the north. Almost lost his leg.

CC


13 posted on 06/28/2014 7:46:28 PM PDT by Celtic Conservative (tease not the dragon for thou art crunchy when roasted and taste good with ketchup)
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To: Celtic Conservative

I had another GGrandfather who was a Methodist Circuit Rider during the war. He spent 1864 and 1865 at Doctortown Mission in SE Georgia.

This was right on the Altamaha River and there was a Confederate camp there to defend the railroad trestle. Interestingly it was the only place I know of where Sherman was repulsed every time he attacked it. The trestle was still standing in the 1930s.


14 posted on 06/28/2014 7:51:35 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: yarddog

I had distant relatives who fought for the north. I’ve been unable to figure out what their units were, other than that they were Michigan infantry units. My direct-line ancestor and one of his sons served in the continental army during the revolution. I see that ancestry in the south is keenly studied and many people I’ve met from the south seem to know their families history well. that is not as true for northerners for some reason.

CC


15 posted on 06/28/2014 8:14:06 PM PDT by Celtic Conservative (tease not the dragon for thou art crunchy when roasted and taste good with ketchup)
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To: Celtic Conservative

The information is probably there but you will have to find it. Both sides actually kept pretty good records tho there will always be a few missing people.


16 posted on 06/28/2014 8:16:29 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: fella

Is there a link to the letter mentioned in the article. I’ve not found it in the article. I’d like to read it if possible. I have an interest in learning more about that battle.


17 posted on 06/28/2014 8:19:32 PM PDT by Proud2BeRight
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To: Celtic Conservative

Ancestry.com has a pretty good base of civil war rosters available. You could probably access it a local library if you don’t want to subscribe.


18 posted on 06/28/2014 8:26:38 PM PDT by Proud2BeRight
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To: yarddog

His father was wounded there fighting for the invaders during the War of Secession.


19 posted on 06/28/2014 8:29:25 PM PDT by Hoodat (Democrats - Opposing Equal Protection since 1828)
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To: Celtic Conservative
I see that ancestry in the south is keenly studied and many people I’ve met from the south seem to know their families history well. that is not as true for northerners for some reason.

It's a lot different for the ones who are being invaded than it does for the invaders. The former has more reason to remember while the latter has more reason to forget.

20 posted on 06/28/2014 8:32:21 PM PDT by Hoodat (Democrats - Opposing Equal Protection since 1828)
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To: Celtic Conservative

I first found the grave stones for my ancestors who fought in the war. They all have their full name, and the outfit they served in.

Once you have that you can do a search with that info and always find them. Sometimes a lot. and sometimes just a little.


21 posted on 06/28/2014 8:33:15 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: yarddog
I wonder how Judge Kennesaw Mountain Landis got his name?

Yes, I can't figure out where he got it.

:-)

22 posted on 06/28/2014 8:35:01 PM PDT by Mark17 (Rats and RINOs, who are destroying America, may you be smacked by the fly swatter of reality)
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To: fella

The battles that took place from Chatanooga down through Chickamauga followed by the continual flanking maneuvers of Sherman are a fascinating bit of military history and strategy.

They have done a wonderful job of preserving large areas of the battlefield and have a great historical center. If anyone is ever in the area they ought to make an effort to go. It is well worth it


23 posted on 06/28/2014 8:35:05 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: FreeAtlanta

Since Jeff Davis and those who wrote the papers stating what the confederacy was all about specifically sited slavery as the REASON for the battle it is more than a little revisionist to claim it was about states rights. The confederacy and the war were about slavery.


24 posted on 06/28/2014 8:36:41 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Celtic Conservative
 photo 1704_zps77f0e701.jpgHere is one of my ancestors graves. It gives you all the info you need to get started.
25 posted on 06/28/2014 8:37:13 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: yarddog
My mothers family fought in the FL militia in Pensacola .
He survived the Battle of New Orleans and injured went home .
My great grandmother told me the east coast of Fl survived the hell of Northern reconstruction because the much of the east coast of Fl was intentionally officially named mosquito county which terrified the Yankees .
In 1960, the federal govt forced her to sell her family farm in a deal she lost in court which is now one of the abandoned Kennedy Space center launching pads.
My first cousin told me (he works on the base ) the farm house foundation is still there . The Old Union federal govt is a monster that keeps destroying.
26 posted on 06/28/2014 8:39:53 PM PDT by ncalburt ( Amnesty-media out in full force)
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To: Hoodat; Celtic Conservative

I think it really depends on your family. If history and the telling of old family stories (even when passed down incorrectly) was part of your upbringing then you tend to care about the family history.

One of my relatives fought in the 1st Virginia but discharged dishonorably for desertion sometime in September of 1863. My guess is he had seen enough. And yet one of his relatives was a very famous doctor and soldier in Virginia during the civil war.

As a Celt I would assume you know and are well versed in your family history. The stories my Scotish grandmother used to tell of her family were (and are) priceless


27 posted on 06/28/2014 8:43:43 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: yarddog

Where is your relative buried? I love going to the old cemeteries and just walking them. The Confederate cemeteries here in Georgia are impressive


28 posted on 06/28/2014 8:45:24 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: ncalburt

The largest battle fought in Florida was Olustee, near Jacksonville.

As Civil War Battles go it was not a huge one but every soldier who fought in it described it as the most fierce fighting they had been in and a lot of them had been in some hot battles. It was a Confederate victory.


29 posted on 06/28/2014 8:47:16 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: Nifster

That one is buried in the Broxson Cemetery near Leonia, Florida.

I have two more buried in the McDuffie Cemetery which is my Mother’s family cemetery. It sits right on the Alabama/Florida line.


30 posted on 06/28/2014 8:49:58 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: Nifster

Please support this claim with facts and don’t bother us with the Salon, NY Slimes, or Wikipedia rewriting of history crap.

If you are trying to peddle that Rewriting of history crap here .


31 posted on 06/28/2014 8:51:03 PM PDT by ncalburt ( Amnesty-media out in full force)
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To: yarddog
Did you read this trolls previous post ?
32 posted on 06/28/2014 8:52:45 PM PDT by ncalburt ( Amnesty-media out in full force)
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To: ncalburt

It is the hand writing of Jeff Davis himself....the very documents

“As historian James McPherson explained in a recent article, it is especially difficult for southern whites “to admit - that the noble Cause for which their ancestors fought might have included the defense of slavery.” Yet, the best historical scholars over the last generation or more have argued convincingly for the centrality of slavery among the causes of the Civil War. The evidence for such arguments provided in the letters, speeches, and articles written by those who established and supported the Confederacy is overwhelming and difficult to deny. While slavery was not the only cause for which the South fought during the Civil War, the testimony of Confederate leaders and their supporters makes it clear that slavery was central to the motivation for secession and war. When southern whites in the 19th century spoke of the “southern way of life,” they referred to a way of life founded on white supremacy and supported by the institution of slavery. “

the above is from this link http://www.nps.gov/resources/story.htm?id=217

If you would actually study history then you wouldn’t have to look so foolish


33 posted on 06/28/2014 8:57:06 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: yarddog

Thanks.... Gives me more places to go


34 posted on 06/28/2014 8:57:50 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: ncalburt

Yes I read it. I don’t think it is totally accurate tho the Confederate governments did often ensure that Slavery was to be respected but it was not the reason for the war.

Lincoln said, and quite clearly too, that he did not think it was about slavery but preserving the Union.

The is why the Northern Soldiers called themselves “The Union” side and not the slave freeing army,

The Confederates always said they were fighting for their states which meant states rights even if they didn’t say it.


35 posted on 06/28/2014 8:58:41 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: Nifster
The stories my Scotish grandmother used to tell of her family were (and are) priceless

I had the same experience with my grandmother. She grew up with her grandfather (a survivor of Picket's charge) and had to help him fasten his wooden leg on every morning.

36 posted on 06/28/2014 9:00:19 PM PDT by 11th_VA (Decriminalize Tax Evasion)
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To: yarddog

The grave site is beautiful.
As for my relative the story goes he was is burried on his land and no one knows where.


37 posted on 06/28/2014 9:01:45 PM PDT by ncalburt ( Amnesty-media out in full force)
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To: Nifster

Give it rest .
I am in no mood for your nonsense .


38 posted on 06/28/2014 9:03:50 PM PDT by ncalburt ( Amnesty-media out in full force)
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To: Nifster

James McPherson is a historian who always seems to take an anti Southern position. I would not trust anything he says or even quotes.

I would even suspect as inaccurate if he had a letter supposedly in the hand of Robert E. Lee. Much original research is done, even if from an honest detachment then found out to be researching phone documents which have been said to be originals.


39 posted on 06/28/2014 9:06:04 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: yarddog
My family ‘s property was land and boats and nothing else.
They were seaman and part time farmers.
I don't appreciate that clowns lectures or insinuations.
Someone always ruins an interesting post here.
40 posted on 06/28/2014 9:08:37 PM PDT by ncalburt ( Amnesty-media out in full force)
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To: Nifster

‘If you would actually study history then you wouldn’t have to look so foolish’

History is always written by the victors. I doubt very much that the central reason was slavery. Explain why blacks took up arms for the South. Explain why the first slave owner in the U.S. was a black man.

Look around you and you can easily see that the wrong side won. Look at what the Federal government has become. We either are or will all be slaves shortly, think we should pay ourselves reparations in advance?


41 posted on 06/28/2014 9:13:41 PM PDT by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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To: Nifster

The Scottish part of my family I know well- they arrived in the 1650’s. The Germans arrived in the 1750’s and are well researched. The Irish- which constitutes about 3/5ths of my background is a bit of a jumble as they seem to have arrived in successive waves of immigration throughout the 19th century, some as late as the 1890’s. I’ve had some success, but some of the immigration in the late 19th century was “off the books”. Many Irish first settled in Canada, and then emigrated into the midwest through Canada. Walt Disney’s ancestors first settled in Goderich, Ontario, for an example. Some of that emigration was, ahem “undocumented”. That’s where it gets a little murky. Plus theres this “job” thing and this “mortgage” thing which seem to monopolize a lot of my time for some reason. =^) I’ve got most of it pinned down, there’s just a few ends that stubbornly remain loose.

CC


42 posted on 06/28/2014 9:21:35 PM PDT by Celtic Conservative (tease not the dragon for thou art crunchy when roasted and taste good with ketchup)
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To: Hoodat

I can see that viewpoint. I also believe family is, to some degree, more important in the south than the north. Or perhaps that dedication to family in the south is expressed differently.

CC


43 posted on 06/28/2014 9:26:11 PM PDT by Celtic Conservative (tease not the dragon for thou art crunchy when roasted and taste good with ketchup)
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To: Nifster
From 'Personal Reminiscences of the War 1861-65' [one who fought in the war]:

Page 28-29

While I was not an original secessionist and voted for Union Candidates for the convention, yet when the north determined to wage war on the South; when Lincoln called on Virginia for her quota of troops to coerce the seceding States, and when Virginia seceded, it did not take me two seconds to cast my lot with Virginia and the other Southern states ...

The people of the South had gotten tired of the sectional domineering, hectoring spirit of the North, ... and determined to sever the bonds that bound them together; Peacefully if they could, forcefully if they must

The question of Southern Slavery was not an issue at the beginning of the war, as many believe...

... Lincoln, in his inaugural address expressly declared he had no authority to interfere with slavery in the States [where it already existed] and no intention of doing so.

And not until the Emancipation Proclamation, which went into effect 1 January, 1863, made without shadow of right or law, and in direct violation of his solemn declaration and oath of office, was the issue raised as a war measure, to strenghten the Union Cause, which was then on the wane among the abolitionists at home and abroad ...

[the] rabid Abolitionists, now demanded emancipation as the price of their loyalty to the Union cause ...

And we're about to see history repeat itself when Obama uses a similar proclamation to declare all the illegals in this country citizens ... you watch ...

44 posted on 06/28/2014 9:35:50 PM PDT by 11th_VA (Decriminalize Tax Evasion)
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To: yarddog
thanks for your perspective..
I grow tired of these posters that scour the Earth to find references to smear here.
45 posted on 06/28/2014 9:38:44 PM PDT by ncalburt ( Amnesty-media out in full force)
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To: FreeAtlanta

We did okay for the next 80 years or so.

No need to rewrite history or wish away where we are.

It’s up to US to change it.


46 posted on 06/28/2014 10:24:24 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: ncalburt

Sure thing no reason to educate yourself.


47 posted on 06/28/2014 10:48:46 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: yarddog

Try reading article one section nine of the confederate constitution


48 posted on 06/28/2014 10:49:59 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Foundahardheadedwoman

Try reading article one section nine of the confederate constitution


49 posted on 06/28/2014 10:50:59 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: 11th_VA

Try reading article one section nine of the confederate constitution


50 posted on 06/28/2014 10:53:32 PM PDT by Nifster
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