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New House Majority Leader: Border Security, Then Legalization
National Review ^ | June 29, 2014 12:44 PM | By Joel Gehrke

Posted on 06/29/2014 1:42:40 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network

Kevin McCarthy, the California Republican who replaced Virginia representative Eric Cantor as House majority leader, believes there is an “opportunity” to negotiate for the legalization of illegal immigrants, but not until the border is secure.

(Excerpt) Read more at nationalreview.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: aliens; border; security
Well that sounds good.

But where is the evidence of this?

Secure the border.

Secure the border.

Secure the border.

1 posted on 06/29/2014 1:42:40 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Doesn’t sound good to me.

How about border security and enforcement?


2 posted on 06/29/2014 1:44:18 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Howsabout secure the border, then send them back and tell them to get in line!!!!


3 posted on 06/29/2014 1:45:16 PM PDT by prisoner6 (Stop the Stupid!)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

3 2 1 Obama announces , THE BORDER IS SECURE ,D’oh


4 posted on 06/29/2014 1:46:51 PM PDT by molson209 (Blank)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
...Eric Cantor as House majority leader, believes there is an “opportunity” to negotiate for the legalization of illegal immigrants...

HELL NO!

5 posted on 06/29/2014 1:47:01 PM PDT by DakotaGator (Weep for the lost Republic! And keep your powder dry!!)
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To: prisoner6

Well I’d be equally for that plan.

I just want someone. Anyone. Some party. Some leader. To stand up and do something about our nonexistant border security.

Neither party, is doing one thing.

Not one thing.

Wake the heck up, stand up and take a stand. Darn it.


6 posted on 06/29/2014 1:47:40 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Border security, then deportation, then prosecution of any company that hires illegals, then the army is sent to the border, then Mexico is informed that if their idiot military crosses into U.S. territory at any point we will shoot on sight.


7 posted on 06/29/2014 1:50:33 PM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
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8 posted on 06/29/2014 1:50:53 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

You can bet that we will not get border security


9 posted on 06/29/2014 1:50:57 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
GOP-e is relentless in forcing the package deal on us, as if it's assumed that some form of amnesty absolutely must go hand-in-hand with doing their jobs and enforcing the law.

What's wrong with simply enforcing the f*****g law? Oh yeah, that's not what the Chamber et al wants - that's what's wrong with it.

10 posted on 06/29/2014 1:52:16 PM PDT by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Securing the border won't stop visa overstays who comprise 40% of the illegals. And why should we legalize those who committed multiple violations of our laws? When you reward something, you get more of it.

Attrition thru enforcement should be our policy.

11 posted on 06/29/2014 1:59:03 PM PDT by kabar
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To: cripplecreek

And what is the definition of reform, pray tell?


12 posted on 06/29/2014 1:59:50 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

FYI, link does not work for me. Page not found.


13 posted on 06/29/2014 2:00:45 PM PDT by upchuck (Everyday, Joe Wilson becomes more correct!)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
but not until the border is secure.

That old canard has become laughable.

If they wanted to secure the border, they could do so with EXISTING laws.

And, LEGALIZATION of illegals is AMNESTY, even though they cry that it is not.
14 posted on 06/29/2014 2:00:51 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: upchuck

I think something changed.

New House Majority Leader: Border Security, Then Legalization
By Joel Gehrke
June 29, 2014 12:44 PM

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/381494/new-house-majority-leader-border-security-then-legalization-joel-gehrke

I still have the original article on a page, but I don’t seem to link to it anymore...


15 posted on 06/29/2014 2:05:51 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: 9YearLurker

Same Old, same old...

Time to get rid of the old GOP, and replace them with new blood.

One term in office,

Two terms in JAIL!!!!


16 posted on 06/29/2014 2:06:29 PM PDT by EXCH54FE (Hurricane 416,Feisty Old Vet !!)
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To: GeronL

40% of illegals are those who have overstayed their visas. The largest number in this 40% group are Indians. Unless and until we have a no-holes barred deportation, al this is utterly worthless. The whole world knows if you step foot in the US, that’s enough. The Indians, in particular have turned it into an art to exploit the prospects for chain immigration aided and abetted by a large cottage industry of immigration lawyers.


17 posted on 06/29/2014 2:06:31 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

How about:

Stipulate COMPLETE border security as a *pre-condition* for amnesty talks, with lots of flowers and pomp and circumstance, and then after that’s complete simply fold our arms and negotiate 0% and amnesty ZERO Mexicans..?

How about that?

And then deport ALL the illegals.


18 posted on 06/29/2014 2:07:54 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

OK it seems to be back now.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/381494/new-house-majority-leader-border-security-then-legalization-joel-gehrke


19 posted on 06/29/2014 2:10:24 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

“”McCarthy said. “Until you secure the borders, you cannot have the conversation about anything else.”””

.

Looks like it’s going to be a rather long wait for that “conversation.”

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“”Today, according to staff at the Department of Homeland Security, just 5 percent of the double-layer fencing is complete, only 36.3 miles.””

http://nation.foxnews.com/border-fence/2011/05/10/obama-claims-border-fence-basically-complete-its-only-5-finished

December 19, 2011
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/dhs-spent-98m-store-44m-steel-it-bought-did-not-use-build-mexico-border-fence

Updated 10/26/2006
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-10-26-bush-immigration_x.htm?csp=15

October 26, 2006
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6388548

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I doubt if anyone is buying the BS any longer.

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20 posted on 06/29/2014 2:10:41 PM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: Steelfish

We need a halt to all immigration, legal and otherwise, until we can get this whole thing sorted out. We need to seal the southern border for one thing. End foreign aid to countries between Texas and Colombia until a wall gets paid for.


21 posted on 06/29/2014 2:12:58 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Steelfish

That 40% canard only works by understating by a factor of 3 the total number of illegals here currently.


22 posted on 06/29/2014 2:12:59 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
"Border Security" will be defined as a declaration by John McCain that "we are back on track toward security".

Weasel words for the same old treason.

23 posted on 06/29/2014 2:13:13 PM PDT by Dagnabitt (Amnesty is Treason. Its agents are Traitors.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
“I’m on record saying nothing about immigration, until we secure the borders,” McCarthy said. “Until you secure the borders, you cannot have the conversation about anything else.”

But does he mean it?

24 posted on 06/29/2014 2:14:25 PM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Anything not Deportation is Amnesty

You do not have Border Security if you let all those who previously violated stay

There is no Border Security without Deportation


25 posted on 06/29/2014 2:14:55 PM PDT by DisorderOnBorder (Hollywood...Washington DC for pretty people)
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To: ConservingFreedom

No. Usually they will have a plan to have a certification process to show the border is secure, but it will be political and they will simply vote to say the border is secured whether it is or not.


26 posted on 06/29/2014 2:15:28 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: DisorderOnBorder

I understand completely the standpoint that we should send home the 30 million or so illegals who are already here.

I am not taking issue with that, though I would go easier on those who are here already.

Not taking anything away from that however, just my own preference. However I very much take issue with not doing something to simply defend the border.

That bothers me enormously, and we need that fixed 100%.

Fixed.

Fence off the border. All of it.

Every inch.


27 posted on 06/29/2014 2:18:02 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Tell that to the Chinese (who are flooding over by the thousands from Mexico via Cuba).

Obama is encouraging and using this flood of illegal immigrants to achieve some goal, and I’m not even sure what it is.


28 posted on 06/29/2014 2:19:34 PM PDT by livius
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Of COURSE there’s an opportunity.

AFTER we secure the border,

AFTER we send ALL the illegals home, AND

AFTER Hell Freezes over. . .


29 posted on 06/29/2014 2:32:14 PM PDT by Salgak
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To: All

wanna guess what the RINO definition of “secure” is ?


30 posted on 06/29/2014 2:33:53 PM PDT by kingattax (a real American would rather die on his feet than live on his knees.)
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To: GeronL

The Silicon Valley interests and the Chamber of Commerce constantly keep pressuring Congress to increase limit on H1B visas. The 40% illegals are those who have overstayed their visa is demonstrable evidence that enforcement of even illegals whose identity etc are known and documented goes unenforced!


31 posted on 06/29/2014 2:40:41 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
The borders secure. Now on to amnesty!
32 posted on 06/29/2014 2:44:42 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: cripplecreek; kabar

What is the definition of “eforcement”?


33 posted on 06/29/2014 2:46:30 PM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard (Asperges me, Domine, hyssopo et mundabor, Lavabis me, et super nivem dealbabor.)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
Obeying the immigration laws. If you are here illegally, you are deported. It is illegal to work here if you are here illegally. And then there are other laws:

False Personation of a U.S. Citizen (18 U.S.C. § 911). Illegal aliens often present themselves as U.S. citizens, an act punishable by up to five years in jail, a felony. This law is often cited in immigration prosecutions and may involve, for example, an alien claiming U.S. citizenship to his employer.

Fraud and False Statements (18 U.S.C. § 1001). It is common for illegal aliens to make false statements to the government or on official documents. An illegal alien violates this law when claiming to be a U.S. citizen on an I-9 Employment Eligibility form and faces a fine and up to five years imprisonment.

Social Security Fraud (42 U.S.C. § 408). This statute has been invoked where an illegal alien provided a false Social Security number for the purpose of acquiring a job, where an illegal alien used a fraudulent Social Security number for the purpose of acquiring a driver's license, and when an illegal alien used a Social Security card belonging to a citizen in order to obtain Section 8 housing, for example. Violation of this statute can result in a fine and/or imprisonment up to five years. The court can also require violators to provide restitution to the victims.

34 posted on 06/29/2014 2:59:25 PM PDT by kabar
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To: 9YearLurker

Look at it this way. There is NO WAY the Administration can say the border is secure.


35 posted on 06/29/2014 3:01:00 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz ("Heck of a reset there, Hillary")
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Small comfort for an ongoing invasion.


36 posted on 06/29/2014 3:02:04 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

What BS! Does McCarthy think we are so stupid?

As soon as a ‘Border Security Bill’ is passed in the House and sent to the Senate, the Senate will immediately amend it with their Gang of 8 bill including full amnesty. Then the bill will go to conference whose membership is chosen by ...guess....yep, Boehner and McCarthy. Then the conference bill is brought out to the House floor for a vote and all dems and 17 republican “squishes” will vote to pass amnesty.

NO IMMIGRATION BILL! NOT ONE WORD NOT ONE IOTA OF IMMIGRATION LEGISLATION IS TO BE PASSED IN THE HOUSE UNTIL CONSERVATIVES CONTROL CONGRESS AND THE WHITE HOUSE!


37 posted on 06/29/2014 3:24:56 PM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: cripplecreek

Nice graphic but WON’T WORK! See post #37.


38 posted on 06/29/2014 3:26:05 PM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
No amnesty. Period.
39 posted on 06/29/2014 4:16:18 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

RINO translation of “now”: A bill promising to secure the border within 10 years combined with immediate legalization of illegal immigrants.


40 posted on 06/29/2014 5:15:58 PM PDT by BinaryBoy ("Immigration Reform" is ballot stuffing)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

They been trying to secure the border since 1986 and here it is 2014 sounds a lot 1986 did.. As long as Obama is in office that border will remain wide open.


41 posted on 06/29/2014 6:24:43 PM PDT by moonshinner_09
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To: kabar
I agree. In the graphic, the word ‘enforcement’ was misspelt ‘eforcement’.
42 posted on 06/30/2014 3:06:36 PM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard (Asperges me, Domine, hyssopo et mundabor, Lavabis me, et super nivem dealbabor.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

This is going to be a trick. A couple months from now Obama will declare the borders secure. This is also a way for the stinky RINOs to grant Ostinko his 2 billion dollars.

Trust no RINO or democrat.


43 posted on 06/30/2014 3:09:05 PM PDT by dforest
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

I picked up on it right after I sent the message. Thanks for the clarification. I was a bit slow on that one.


44 posted on 06/30/2014 3:50:55 PM PDT by kabar
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