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'The Hobbit' Part 3 News: Climax Of 'Battle of Five Armies' 'Sets Tone'
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Posted on 07/01/2014 6:45:11 PM PDT by Perdogg

'The Hobbit' Part 3 News: Climax Of 'Battle of Five Armies' 'Sets Tone' For 'What's Going To Happen' In 'Lord of the Rings' Trilogy

Letteri went on to speak about how the ending of this movie would lead into and help fans better understand the Lord of the Rings trilogy.

"Yeah because it is the climax, and you really just need to know that there is another battle for Middle-earth," he said." The whole extension of The Hobbit's story has really been to get us to the point where we understand when we leave it what's going to happen when you pick up the Lord of the Rings trilogy, and this really does kind of set that tone."

He went on to add that The Hobbit: The Battle of Five Armies would serve as the "peaceful interlude" before the Lord of the Rings trilogy.

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Music/Entertainment; TV/Movies; The Hobbit Hole
KEYWORDS: peterjackson; tolkien

1 posted on 07/01/2014 6:45:11 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis; fidelis; JDoutrider; Tax-chick; Altariel; Ann de IL; Aevery_Freeman; ..

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2 posted on 07/01/2014 6:46:05 PM PDT by Perdogg (Ted Cruz-Rand Paul 2016)
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To: Perdogg

The first two movies where too damn long. The director is in serious need of an editor and someone to say STOP!

He has destroyed the Hobbit which is supposed to be a short children’s story. It would have been better if he had had ONE 2-3 hour movie that followed the book precisely.

Hell, I fell asleep at the second movie. Never did se the whole thing. Too much CGI too much superfluous crap!


3 posted on 07/01/2014 6:49:43 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Jim from C-Town

The original Hobbit was for Children. But after Tolkien started on the novel “The Hobbit 2” - which became the “Lord of The Rings”, he went back and changed the tenner and tone of “The Hobbit” to match the LOTR. Any edition of “The Hobbit” before the second edition - 5th impression is for Children.


4 posted on 07/01/2014 6:56:15 PM PDT by Perdogg (Ted Cruz-Rand Paul 2016)
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To: Perdogg

Bard kills Smaug at the end. Bilbo walks home.

There, I said it. Ruined it for everyone.


5 posted on 07/01/2014 7:00:22 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: Jim from C-Town

Yes. The fight scenes are way too long in both movies.


6 posted on 07/01/2014 7:07:42 PM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: The KG9 Kid

And Thorin dies.


7 posted on 07/01/2014 7:08:33 PM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: demshateGod

And Legolas is NOT in the Hobbit book.


8 posted on 07/01/2014 7:30:54 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Jim from C-Town

While I agree that having three movies of the Hobbit was too much, there was no way to tell the whole story in a single 2 hour movie, without leaving practically everything about the book on the cutting room floor.


9 posted on 07/01/2014 7:31:47 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: The KG9 Kid

I thought Cantmiss Everdeen shot the Dragon. No?


10 posted on 07/01/2014 7:35:36 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Neither is the chick who played ‘Kate’ in the TV show ‘Lost’.
She’s hot as an elf, but I don’t remember her in the book.


11 posted on 07/01/2014 7:53:08 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: tumblindice

She wasn’t.


12 posted on 07/01/2014 7:58:31 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Perdogg
Loved the LOTR movies.

Found the first Hobbit movie tedious and never saw the second one.
13 posted on 07/01/2014 8:48:01 PM PDT by Nepeta
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To: Nepeta

The second one was better. More action scenes.


14 posted on 07/01/2014 8:52:02 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: The KG9 Kid

Thorin in Bilbo’s father. [/totally ruined]


15 posted on 07/01/2014 8:52:46 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy ("Harvey Dent, can we trust him?" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBsdV--kLoQ)
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To: Perdogg

Greed

and

Arrogance.

What SHOULD have been 1 movie, has become 3.

The arrogance of these silly fag writers to think they could create better than J.R.R. Tolkien himself!

Self-Delusion is a powerful stimulant!


16 posted on 07/01/2014 9:00:45 PM PDT by InkStone (Omni Vivum Ex Surfboard)
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To: Jonty30; Nepeta

I found the second even more painful that the first. Both were too long, and both showed no appreciation for character...but then, Jackson knows nothing about character development.

I saw the second one as a DVD, and fell asleep part way through. The ending was so bad, however, that it would have been better if I had stayed asleep to the end.


17 posted on 07/01/2014 9:03:16 PM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: Jim from C-Town; Perdogg
I agree both the first two films were too long and could have cut out an hour without sacrificing anything important.

But I'm in the minority of viewers who thought the FIRST Hobbit film was much better and stronger than the second. To this day I can't understand why the first film got mediocre reviews while the second got glowing reviews.

Virtually all the complaints from the first film were "too long!" (a valid complaint) and "ahhh I hated the frame rate in the IMAX theater it hurt my eyes and made my sick this film sucks!" (an invalid complaint -- you didn't have to watch it in IMAX and it looked completely normal on DVD. Then I believe the second film also had the double frame rate at IMAX showings, but nobody complained the second time around). The first film had most of the memorable scenes from the novel -- Gollum's appearance with the riddles game was perfectly done, the trolls encountering Bilbo was great, the Misty Mountains song was extreme memorable, etc. The returning characters for LOTR stepped back into their roles seemlessly, and the new characters like the Dwarves, were great as we were introduced to them.

The second film suffered from "middle chapter" syndrome, IMO. It dragged on forever and didn't go anywhere. The scenes with Smaug were engaging, the rest of the film, not so much. Legolas shows up for no other reason but to pad the film and make it more LOTR-like, Radgast the Brown returns from the first film but has nothing to do this time around, Gandalf's quest is somewhat interesting but doesn't go anywhere or get resolved, etc., etc. Even the Smaug story, which is supposed to be the highlight of the film, doesn't reach a climax and the character just flies off with a lame "To be continued..." fade for no other reason but so they add more to the third film.

For the life of me, I can't figure out why everyone else liked the second chapter and disliked the first one. If the first one had just been trimmed a bit around the edges to remove unnecessary material like the "Frodo and Old Bilbo" framing story, it would have been ideal and possibly the best of the five "Middle Earth" movies.

18 posted on 07/01/2014 10:05:53 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Looking at the weather lately, I could really use some 'global warming' right now!)
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To: Jonty30
But I thought it was a music video.
19 posted on 07/01/2014 10:09:46 PM PDT by Domangart (Tho I walk Through the valley of Wall Mart, I fear no man.)
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To: Perdogg

Should have been a single feature length from Aardman Animations, the guys who did the claymationy Wallace and Grommet movies. Think about it, instant classic people would be talking about 60 years from now. This glitzy special effect stuff isn’t going to be remembered, it looks like a lot of movies from this era. A movie with a special style all it’s own is a much better choice for something like the Hobbit.

Freegards


20 posted on 07/01/2014 10:10:57 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: Jim from C-Town
Hell, I fell asleep at the second movie. Never did se the whole thing.

Me too. And I've been a fan of JRR for 50 years.

Greatly admired PJ's work in LORT, though I didn't agree with all his story changes.

The Hobbit has been a huge mess.

PJ is a huge talent, but really needs to work under the supervision of an adult.

21 posted on 07/02/2014 2:37:59 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: demshateGod

Haven’t seen the movie and may not, but I’m told Thorin lives.


22 posted on 07/02/2014 2:38:54 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Legolas is NOT in the Hobbit book.

True, but he was the son of the Elven King, so he was no doubt around while the dwarves were being held prisoner. That Bilbo didn't meet him isn't surprising. He was sneaking around in corners.

I don't object to the broader view of the world in the Hobbit movies. Although the narrow POV of the books provided by simply Bilbo's POV added something.

23 posted on 07/02/2014 2:41:31 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: Perdogg

One could fuss over what’s being done ... but I decided just to take it as it is and appreciate the parts I like. Even some of the video-game-inspired fight scenes are cute, at least, and the elves have darling hairstyles.


24 posted on 07/02/2014 3:04:21 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Todo lo puedo en El, en Jesus, mi amigo fiel.)
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To: Jim from C-Town

I saw the first two, and didn;t like how it was being stretched from what could have been one long movie into apparently three long movies. A disappointment compared to “The Lord of the Rings”; I don’t even know if I’ll pay to see the last one.


25 posted on 07/02/2014 3:10:30 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Jim from C-Town

Correct. The hobbit was a short book. Understandable to make 3 movies from TLOTR trilogy. But this hobbit thing by Jackson is strictly a payday thing. Despicable.


26 posted on 07/02/2014 3:13:08 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: tumblindice

“Neither is the chick who played ‘Kate’ in the TV show ‘Lost’. She’s hot as an elf, but I don’t remember her in the book.”

They are PC versions of the books; wasn’t the elf that takes Frodo to be healed (past the black riders) a guy in the books?


27 posted on 07/02/2014 3:13:42 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: InkStone

Jackson probably took editing lessons from Kevin Costner.


28 posted on 07/02/2014 3:16:23 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: kearnyirish2

Yes.


29 posted on 07/02/2014 4:13:00 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Todo lo puedo en El, en Jesus, mi amigo fiel.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

‘Thorin in Bilbo’s father” - ewwwwwwwww


30 posted on 07/02/2014 4:28:52 AM PDT by Perdogg (Ted Cruz-Rand Paul 2016)
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To: InkStone

Which is curious, because the main theme of the Hobbit is greed and arrogance, what it is, why people do it, why it is a bad thing...


31 posted on 07/02/2014 4:40:19 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Tax-chick
Yep.

The story is waaay overstretched for three flicks but if PJ had done it in one I prolly would've whined over him not doing two or three 'cause the scenery's nice the action's pretty good why not take your time?

The again I thought King Kong was pretty good so what do I know?

32 posted on 07/02/2014 4:43:13 AM PDT by mitch5501 ("make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things ye shall never fall")
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To: mitch5501

I think the story could have stretched three movies, but it would have been boring, just like it was for the characters. The 2nd movie compressed nearly three months of action into what seemed hardly more than a week!


33 posted on 07/02/2014 4:45:56 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Todo lo puedo en El, en Jesus, mi amigo fiel.)
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To: Tax-chick

And by “action,” I mean mostly “hiking in the dark.”


34 posted on 07/02/2014 5:22:34 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Todo lo puedo en El, en Jesus, mi amigo fiel.)
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To: Perdogg

I thought the movies were fine. So what if they are ‘too long’? After going to all the work of setting up this monster of a movie, might as well create lots of film. Plus, seeing Evangeline Lily prance around in an elf costume is very enjoyable. Imagine if she captured you and forced you to be her mate? haha!


35 posted on 07/02/2014 5:57:20 AM PDT by olepap (Your old Pappy)
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To: Perdogg

I thought the movies were fine. So what if they are ‘too long’? After going to all the work of setting up this monster of a movie, might as well create lots of film. Plus, seeing Evangeline Lily prance around in an elf costume is very enjoyable. Imagine if she captured you and forced you to be her mate? haha!


36 posted on 07/02/2014 5:57:20 AM PDT by olepap (Your old Pappy)
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To: Jim from C-Town

The “fight” scene between Smaug and the dwarfs at the end of #2 was utterly ridiculous. Smaug blundering around, stymied repeatedly, etc.

I didn’t realize, while reading the book, that Smaug was such a buffoon and so helpless....


37 posted on 07/02/2014 6:02:23 AM PDT by wolf24
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To: Jim from C-Town
"Too much CGI too much superfluous crap!"

How dare you call her superfluous! :)

38 posted on 07/02/2014 6:06:39 AM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: demshateGod

and Fili and Kili


39 posted on 07/02/2014 6:45:34 AM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
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To: PLMerite

I totally wish she was not there. Why did they have to add stupid love triangles that didn’t exist! ARRGH!!!


40 posted on 07/02/2014 6:46:33 AM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
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To: Perdogg
Neat art of the battle


41 posted on 07/02/2014 6:58:05 AM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
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To: kearnyirish2
They are PC versions of the books; wasn’t the elf that takes Frodo to be healed (past the black riders) a guy in the books?

Yup. Glorfindel. Though in other parts of the legendarium, JRR has some of the elven women as fighters. Notably Galadriel fights in one of the battles while the Noldor are leaving Aman. Presumably other elven women were also fighters, and just didn't make it into the stories.

Eowyn was the only kick-ass female in the books, but she by herself ought to be enough to satisfy any feminist, IMO.

Take today's problems with females in combat and multiply them by some factor, and you have the problem of females in hand to hand combat against males.

42 posted on 07/02/2014 7:43:58 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: Perdogg

Snore. I can’t stay awake during the first one. I don’t think I will make it to the third.


43 posted on 07/02/2014 11:28:23 AM PDT by Organic Panic
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44 posted on 07/02/2014 11:28:57 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Perdogg
Letteri went on to speak about how the ending of this movie would lead into and help fans better understand the Lord of the Rings trilogy.

How could it, when Peter Jackass totally butchered the story ?

And they weren't just lttle changes. Some characters became the exact opposite of the way Tolkien had written them.

After being disgusted by the travesty of LOR, I have refused to see Hobbit. My wife has, but then she's more tolerant than I am.

45 posted on 07/02/2014 12:32:22 PM PDT by jimt (Fear is the darkroom where negatives are developed.)
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