Posted on 07/05/2014 12:47:51 PM PDT by virgil283
"Soldiers who have served in Iraq and Afghanistan have complained that the 9mm round is not powerful enough to be effective in combat.
“The 9mm doesn’t score high with soldier feedback,” said Easlick, explaining that the Army, and the other services, want a round that will have better terminal effects — or cause more damage — when it hits enemy combatants.
One of the major goals of the MHS effort is to adopt a pistol chambered for a more potent round than the current 9mm, weapons officials said. ..."
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Yes, because we have always complied with the Hague Convention prohibiting expanding bullets even though we are not a signatory on the Convention.
It is presumed that they will use a flat nose FMJ bullet similar in profile to a conventional hollow point bullet. A flat nose FMJ bullet will disrupt enemy bodies more than a pointed or round nose FMJ bullet.
And, a single column magazine is entirely adequate. More available rounds just encourages "Spraying and Praying". That is one of the reasons our military removed the full auto capability from most of the M16/M4 series of weapons and replaced it with a 3-shot burst.
Aiming is a very under rated survival tactic in combat.
S&W 500. Don’t leave the Humvee without it. :-)
DUH.. They had the pistol they needed in the 45acp round.
Never should have left it.
DUH.. They had the pistol they needed in the 45acp round.
Never should have left it.
Women and men with small hands can’t get their mits around a double stack 45.
.40 SW might work but you would have logistical issues with a non standard round making the decision whether the change is worthwhile more difficult.
If they won’t use expanding rounds, they may need to completely rethink sidearms.
anybody here tried out a rifle in .300 Blackout? That looks pretty cool.
S&W 500 for those that take weight lifting seriously.
1911 doing it better for 103 years!
Para has taken the 1911 designed and modified it to hold 14+1. This eliminates the one drawback of the original 1911 as it was 7+1. The para is a double stack magazine holding 14 rounds. The frame has also been beefed up to handle the +P ammo. +P ammo in a 45 caliber is a man stopper. Oddly enough the +P ammo in a 9mm is more powerful than the standard standard 230 grain FMJ that was used in the original 1911. However, the +P in a 45 caliber has amazing ballistics. It will ruin your whole day.
Click link below for info on the Para 1911.
http://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2013/12/para-usa-p14-45-gun-review/?scrape=true
Every Beretta I've ever handled had a failure to feed during shooting practice. I fixed them all by giving the magazine spring a little "stretchy-stretchy" (thx whoever showed me that, I can't recall now). Seemed kind of weird to me, what's the point of a ductile spring? I suspect gov't requirements at the root of some conflicted engineering decision...
Yes but +P 45 FMJ is legal and lethal.
My toy is a .45 Ruger Blackhawk, Single Action. Mine has a barrel as long at Jim Arness's (Gunsmoke) and Richard Boone's (Have Gun-Will Travel). I call mine my peacemaker.
I'm quite accurate with that at a range of 45 to 60 feet. My Dad's 1911 was pretty random at that range. What was fun with my Dad's was shoving the magazine up into it, cocking it and blasting away like I knew what I was doing.
My brother spent 30 years as a cop. He had a city issued .38. For at least the last 10 years he worked, he carried a 9mm Glock. I always thought the magazine capacity meant more to him that the stopping power, since I suspect the two were comparable.
The 1911 is a fine piece and as the Gov. still owns 100s of thousands of them just open the warehouse. The only reason for a new weapon is so some congressman or senator can pick up a little loss change.
I have never held a Sig P-227, actually I have never even seen one but I recently read that it feels exactly like the P-226 in the hand and the dimensions are either identical or very close.
The P-227 has a double stack .45 auto mag which holds ten rounds. They also make a 14 round mag which I assume is a bit longer.
The picture that you probably saw was from the Battle of the Bulge. This man was in Kampfgruppe Hansen of the 2nd Company, I./SS-Pz.Gren.Rgt 1. His name is Walter Armbrusch, and he possesed the rank of SS-Schütze as an MG-42 gunner. Here he is seen after a successful attack on an Allied reconnaisance convy, with gear obtained from it. The picture is taken during the early days the Battle of the Bulge.”
The pistol was probably captured, but perhaps not from the 14th Cavalry Group whose vehicles are in the pictures.
That probably is the picture I have in my memory. A German holding a Hi-Power in one hand. He looks a bit battle weary and maybe a bit dirty.
No I didn’t.Not a .45 anyway. My best friend who was an artillery sergeant(First Field Forces) and also did ops as a Phoenix program assassin did. Obviously I used a bit of hyperbole but he assured me a .45 slug will put a huge hole in someone. A .50 caliber will defiantly cut someone in half. Couple of years back at an airshow near where I live featuring a B-17 and a B-24 I bought a deactivated .50 caliber round. God Bless John Browning. “Ma Deuce’’ rules!
I served during the transition. The 45s were worn out and the 9s were having teething problems, it wasn’t pretty.
No, I wasn’t thinking specifically about the weapon, rather about its tactical role, with the availability of armor something completely different than the 9 or 45 may be called for.
Michaelle Obama’s picture mounted on a stick.
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