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Pete Rose Awaits His Return, 25 Years Into Exile
New York Times ^ | JULY 6, 2014 | TYLER KEPNER

Posted on 07/07/2014 5:14:19 PM PDT by nickcarraway

Pete Rose has a vision. Someday his career hits record will be tied, and he will respond with one final turn at bat. He will roll a single up the middle and crawl to first base for No. 4,257, reclaiming his title as Hit King.

Rose related this fanciful dream on the phone the other day, at the end of a lively conversation. The problem with the story, obviously, is that he is 73 years old and has been barred from baseball since 1989. But there has to be a better ending out there, somehow.

Life is good for Rose. He has been in the news lately, managing the independent Bridgeport Bluefish, in Connecticut, for a game last month — “They took some extra bases, made some headfirst slides, and we won, 2-0,” he said — and announcing his role as a spokesman for SportsBeep, a fantasy sports app. It is legal, he pointed out.

“Which is important to me — I will no longer do anything illegal in my life,” Rose said. “It’s a great way for fans to be attracted. If they’re attracted to sports through this app, they’re going to watch more sports and maybe go to more games. It creates fun for sports fans.”

If this new association bothers anybody or hinders his chances of being reinstated, Rose said, he cannot worry about it.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Sports
KEYWORDS: baseball; gambling; mlb; ohio; peterose

1 posted on 07/07/2014 5:14:19 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Charlie Hustle belongs in The Hall of Fame.


2 posted on 07/07/2014 5:17:44 PM PDT by shove_it (long ago Orwell and Rand warned us of Obama's America)
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To: nickcarraway

I bet he gets into the hall of fame. Anyone wanna bet?


3 posted on 07/07/2014 5:18:48 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Hitlery: Incarnation of evil.)
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To: shove_it

No question.


4 posted on 07/07/2014 5:19:59 PM PDT by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
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To: nickcarraway

He should be inducted... the day after he dies. Giamatti gave him a lifetime ban and that is exactly what it should be. Rose should never live to see himself in the Hall, but the day after he dies, he needs to be in there.


5 posted on 07/07/2014 5:21:46 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius (www.wilsonharpbooks.com - Eclipse, the sequel to Bright Horizons is out! Get it now!)
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To: FlJoePa

Eh, I would question it.


6 posted on 07/07/2014 5:22:16 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: FlJoePa

I lived in the Cincinnati area during the best years of The Big Red Machine. It was great!


7 posted on 07/07/2014 5:24:08 PM PDT by shove_it (long ago Orwell and Rand warned us of Obama's America)
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To: shove_it

8 posted on 07/07/2014 5:26:51 PM PDT by shove_it (long ago Orwell and Rand warned us of Obama's America)
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To: nickcarraway
The rule was clear, if you bet on baseball, you'd be banned for life.

Pete Rose bet on baseball - banned for life, as it should be.

Additionally, he sold tons of fake memorablia too, so screw Charlie Hustler.

9 posted on 07/07/2014 5:31:00 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: nickcarraway

Pete Rose should only be inducted in the HOF after he dies. He should not be allowed to give an induction speech.


10 posted on 07/07/2014 5:35:52 PM PDT by DFG ("Dumb, Dependent, and Democrat is no way to go through life" - Louie Gohmert (R-TX))
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To: nickcarraway

Shoeless Joe Jackson should go in first. He didn’t even bet — and he was a better guy all around.


11 posted on 07/07/2014 5:40:35 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy ("Harvey Dent, can we trust him?" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBsdV--kLoQ)
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To: shove_it
Charlie Hustle belongs in The Hall of Fame.

While we're at it, let's give Lance Armstrong back his Tour de France trophies.

12 posted on 07/07/2014 5:40:38 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: nickcarraway
Hats off to the Hit King.

It's high time Baseball put one of the greatest players in History into the HOF.

It's not like he orchestrated an illegal alien invasion of the USA and scattered them all over the country to build an undefeatable marxist voting base like Hugo Chavez and Barack Hussein Obama did.

Rose has done his time.

13 posted on 07/07/2014 5:41:18 PM PDT by Rome2000
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

And your rationale for this is ?


14 posted on 07/07/2014 5:42:25 PM PDT by Rome2000
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To: dead
I have a family member who played for the Reds. I'd rather not say who, but it was a couple of years after the above photo was taken.

He gave me a baseball signed by the entire team.

EXCEPT for Pete Rose.

15 posted on 07/07/2014 5:44:32 PM PDT by real saxophonist (Fightin' in a basement)
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To: Rome2000

Isn’t OJ in the NFL HoF?


16 posted on 07/07/2014 5:45:02 PM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: Fiji Hill

Lance Armstrong is nowhere near the same ballpark.


17 posted on 07/07/2014 5:45:39 PM PDT by shove_it (long ago Orwell and Rand warned us of Obama's America)
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To: nickcarraway

Never. Ever.


18 posted on 07/07/2014 5:47:04 PM PDT by Eccl 10:2 (Prov 3:5 --- "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding")
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To: nickcarraway

“I will no longer do anything illegal in my life”

How big of him.

As I recall they let Rose back for a day for something.


19 posted on 07/07/2014 5:47:24 PM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: nascarnation

I was at the local marina about a month ago in a blinding rain storm. I was in my car and stopped to let 2 stripper looking blondes and a fat old black guy cross the street in front of me in the rain.
I thought to myself that it was pretty strange that those 2 hooker looking bims would be out walking in the rain with this guy towards his boat when I looked to my left and sure enough, bringing up the rear after stepping out of his SUV, was the OJ himself.

As he got nearer I started yelling out “hey, OJ, OJ!”.

He was smiling ear to ear at being recognized and started waving hello, after all, I had just stopped to let his friends cross in front of me so they could get out of the rain, I must be a nice guy.

A that point I flipped him an extremely rigid bird and asked him “ you gonna kill those too” pointing at the bims.

I have to hand it to him, he just kept smilin and waving with an “aw shucks” attitude. I’m glad he had already been arrested and was awaiting trial for his road rage case, or I might have received a very different type of reaction.

It was another jury handpicked by the defense (the prosecutor is a democrat) and that this creep will be in trouble with the law again in short order.

I just hope he doesn’t kill again in the process.

66 posted on 10/24/2001 5:35:23 PM by Rome2000
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20 posted on 07/07/2014 5:49:21 PM PDT by Rome2000
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To: nickcarraway

Degenerate scumbag gambler. Hope he never gets in.


21 posted on 07/07/2014 5:50:01 PM PDT by strider44
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To: Rome2000

Interesting....


22 posted on 07/07/2014 5:53:06 PM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: nascarnation

Isn’t OJ in the NFL HoF?

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Simpson’s crimes were off the field and did not shamefully harm the integrity of the game, unlike Charley Hustle.

Although I wouldn’t complain if every award ever given to Simpson was rescinded.


23 posted on 07/07/2014 5:53:19 PM PDT by Eccl 10:2 (Prov 3:5 --- "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding")
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To: nascarnation

O.J. Simpson was elected into the NFL Hall of Fame before he killed anybody. And Gambling has been considered one offense that will get you barred from the baseball hall of fame, and Rose knew it.


24 posted on 07/07/2014 5:58:32 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

The article says that he bet on his team to win, as if that is a mitigating factor. However, even betting to win the threatens the integrity of the game. Managers make decisions on what pitchers to use on a given day, knowing that they have to rest those pitchers other days. Managers are in a unique position to decide which days they will maximize their team’s chances for success. Fans and players trust that they will use that decision-making authority to maximize the number of games won over the course of a 162 game season. However, if Rose was betting on his team to win certain games, he had strong incentive to use his best players in those games, even if it would be better to save them for other games.


25 posted on 07/07/2014 6:02:07 PM PDT by CaptainMorgantown
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To: Rome2000

His stats and the legendary way he played the game deserves to be a part of the Hall of Fame. The fact that he cheated, lied, and acted the scoundrel deserves to have his punishment stand. Bart Giamatti banned Pete Rose from baseball for life, including the Hall of Fame. Once Pete Rose’s life is over, the ban is over. Put him into the Hall, but he never gets to see it happen.


26 posted on 07/07/2014 6:04:32 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius (www.wilsonharpbooks.com - Eclipse, the sequel to Bright Horizons is out! Get it now!)
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To: CaptainMorgantown

Recently, I read one of the reports claimed he didn’t bet on games that were started by two specific pitchers.


27 posted on 07/07/2014 6:09:03 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

They banned Willie Mays from baseball for going to work in a casino after he was inducted.


28 posted on 07/07/2014 6:15:21 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin
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To: CaptainMorgantown

Good point.

Baseball was almost completed ruined by the Black Sox scandal. If there was any hint the integrity of the game were in question, it would kill the game.

That’s why Baseball has to be as harsh as it is towards gambling.

Keep waiting, Pete.


29 posted on 07/07/2014 6:18:27 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

Rose was a manager when he bet on the Reds - he never was charged with betting as a player when he established the hit record.

As a player, he was FAR cleaner than a lot of current and future HoFers.

He and his CLEAN hit record should be in the HoF.


30 posted on 07/07/2014 6:33:33 PM PDT by newfreep
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To: dfwgator

We were fortunate to meet and talk to Bob Feller numerous time as his museum outside of Des Moines. He said, baseball has many rules, but only a handful are posted in every clubhouse. Gambling was one of them. ‘Nuff said.


31 posted on 07/07/2014 6:36:12 PM PDT by Mean Daddy
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To: nickcarraway

If they let any of the juicers into the HOF- with or without an asterisk- then Rose should be inducted too. What he did was wrong, but it did not ruin baseball for an entire generation.


32 posted on 07/07/2014 6:44:43 PM PDT by 60Gunner (Fight with your head high, or grovel with your head low.)
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To: Mean Daddy

Isn’t OJ in the NFL HoF?

How many of the owners of baseball teams own race horses?

A sport of hypocrites, that is why it was once the national pastime until Football got more popular, and without heroes like Charlie Hustle it will soon be in 3rd place behind Soccer.

He served more time than murderers, makes me sick to my stomach this vendetta that they won’t let go of.


33 posted on 07/07/2014 6:46:26 PM PDT by Zenjitsuman (New Boss Nancy Pelosi)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
So Baseball has a death penalty?

I nominate Tom Koehler.

34 posted on 07/07/2014 7:32:44 PM PDT by Rome2000
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
Once Pete Rose’s life is over, the ban is over. Put him into the Hall, but he never gets to see it happen.

Seems a little sadistical?

As if MLB has clean hands.

35 posted on 07/07/2014 7:46:53 PM PDT by Rome2000
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To: ClearCase_guy
Shoeless Joe Jackson should go in first. He didn’t even bet — and he was a better guy all around.

Totally agree. The evidence against Jackson was pretty sketchy. There is no question that Rose bet on baseball. Pete, you do the crime, you pay the time - a lifetime ban is just that - you don't see the end of it.

36 posted on 07/07/2014 7:48:16 PM PDT by CommerceComet (Ignore the GOP-e. Cruz to victory in 2016.)
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To: Rome2000

It’s called “punishment” for a reason. He was punished for his gambling. He knew that gambling was the death penalty, as you put it, for baseball.

He knew it and he gambled anyway. Then he lied about it. Then he denied it over and over. Finally, he admitted it.

The punishment is just.

There is only one Judge who has clean hands and we will all stand before him one day. In the mean time, Pete Rose had his punishment handed down. He now has to deal with it.


37 posted on 07/07/2014 7:51:13 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius (www.wilsonharpbooks.com - Eclipse, the sequel to Bright Horizons is out! Get it now!)
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To: shove_it
Charlie Hustle belongs in The Hall of Fame.

Damn right.

Two quick anecdotes:

In 1979 or so, I can remember being a kid of about 14 or 15 years old down in Pompano Beach, Florida, back when the Texas Rangers had their Spring Training right down the street from my home.

One day, the Rangers played the Yankees, and Reggie Jackson was there. Of course there was a mob of kids who wanted autographs. Reggie pushed them all behind a fence, closed the gate, and made every kid hand his item through the fence so it could be autographed. To this young man, Jackson came across as aloof, arrogant, and downright rude.

Now when Pete Rose and the Phillies came to play the Rangers, Rose was mobbed just outside the clubhouse by a similar group of (mostly) kids. Pete stood there, closely pressed by the crowd, and patiently signed every single autograph until nobody was left. He mingled with the crowd, smiled, was friendly and approachable, and acted like a consummate gentleman.

I'll always remember the contrast between those two players and their attitude towards fame and fans. Reggie Jackson treated us like a nuisance, and Pete Rose treated us like a friend.

At least Rose didn't do steroids. I refuse to even consider visiting the Baseball Hall of Fame until Pete Rose is in it. For them to keep him out of it this long, for merely gambling on baseball, is petty, and beyond a travesty...

38 posted on 07/07/2014 10:27:10 PM PDT by sargon
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To: shove_it

Yep, but will be inducted posthumously.


39 posted on 07/08/2014 4:56:35 AM PDT by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

As I understand it, no. He gave him an indefinite ban.
He said he would reconsider the decision in one year (which Rose assumed would be favorable). It opened the door for the owners to change the rules which they did not do.
Faye Vincent reconsidered the decision and did not alter it.


40 posted on 07/08/2014 5:07:43 AM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: sargon

Thanks for the great story.

Pete Rose’s Records (Wikipedia)

Major League records:
Most career hits – 4,256
Most career outs – 10,328
Most career games played – 3,562
Most career at bats – 14,053
Most career singles – 3,215
Most career runs by a switch hitter – 2,165
Most career doubles by a switch hitter – 746
Most career walks by a switch hitter – 1,566
Most career total bases by a switch hitter – 5,752
Most seasons of 200 or more hits – 10 (shared)
Most consecutive seasons of 100 or more hits – 23
Most consecutive seasons with 600 or more at bats – 13 (1968–1980)
Most seasons with 600 at bats – 17
Most seasons with 150 or more games played – 17
Most seasons with 100 or more games played – 23
Record for playing in the most winning games – 1,972
Only player in major league history to play more than 500 games at five different positions – 1B (939), LF (671), 3B (634), 2B (628), RF (595)

National League records:
Most years played – 23
Most consecutive years played – 24
Most career runs – 2,165
Most career doubles – 746
Most career games with 5 or more hits – 10
Modern (post-1900) NL record for longest consecutive-game hitting streak NL – 44
Modern record for most consecutive hitting streaks of 20 or more games – 7


41 posted on 07/08/2014 7:43:32 AM PDT by shove_it (long ago Orwell and Rand warned us of Obama's America)
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