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Study: Fossil soaring bird had huge wingspan
Associated Press ^ | Jul 7, 2014 3:12 PM EDT | Malcolm Ritter

Posted on 07/08/2014 8:57:10 PM PDT by Olog-hai

A fossil found in South Carolina has revealed a gigantic bird that apparently snatched fish while soaring over the ocean some 25 million to 28 million years ago.

Its estimated wingspan of around 21 feet is bigger than the height of a giraffe. …

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TOPICS: History; Miscellaneous; Pets/Animals; Science
KEYWORDS: bird; godsgravesglyphs; paleontology; southcarolina; thunderbirds

1 posted on 07/08/2014 8:57:10 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

They have film of this bird snatching fish from the ocean? Otherwise, it may have been vegetarian and snatched leaves from trees.


2 posted on 07/08/2014 9:04:34 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: Olog-hai
Have read reports, over the years, about a bird as big as a Cessna seen flying in Canada and Alaska.

Not a pterodactyl, but modern bird looking, very big thing.

3 posted on 07/08/2014 9:11:56 PM PDT by The Cajun (Ted Cruz, Sarah Palin, Mark Levin, Mike Lee, Louie Gohmert....Nuff said.)
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To: doc1019

Perhaps it was “Super Goose” and snarfed up huge amounts of grass.

Brother, does you believe?

;-)


4 posted on 07/08/2014 9:12:22 PM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam Delenda Est. Because of what Islam is - and for what Muslims do.)
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To: The Cajun

http://www.rense.com/general30/giant.htm


5 posted on 07/08/2014 9:16:35 PM PDT by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: GladesGuru

Show me the skeletons of hundreds of these things and I would believe this was anything but a freak of nature. As for the 25 million to 28 million thingy ... that is another argument. LOL!


6 posted on 07/08/2014 9:18:04 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: RightGeek
What I read goes way, way back.
Probably one of the old Popular Science/Science and Mechanics type of magazines I used to get, back in the day before the Internet.

Story of them has been around for years.

First time I've read that an actual skeleton on such an avian, capable of flight exists, be it millions of years old.

7 posted on 07/08/2014 9:27:45 PM PDT by The Cajun (Ted Cruz, Sarah Palin, Mark Levin, Mike Lee, Louie Gohmert....Nuff said.)
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To: RightGeek

National Geographic had a two hour special about megaldon (a really really big shark) showing up in various oceans. A large whale beached in Hawaii was bitten in half, which marine biologists claim was done with one bite.


8 posted on 07/08/2014 9:29:14 PM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: doc1019


9 posted on 07/08/2014 9:29:27 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: doc1019

Many birds snatch fish from the ocean.

They don’t even have to touch the surface because there are flying fish.

Of course there are the birds that can dive down 30 feet and chase the fish they want.

Why would one doubt that a large bird could exist that caught it’s food out in the ocean?

Is is just the size that is hard to believe ?


10 posted on 07/08/2014 9:33:24 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: UCANSEE2

?


11 posted on 07/08/2014 9:34:44 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: UCANSEE2

The problem is that dietary claims based upon fragmented skeletal remains are sketchy at best. It’s a presumption or a guess.


12 posted on 07/08/2014 9:37:24 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: The Cajun

13 posted on 07/08/2014 9:48:08 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog
Now that's a big birdie :)
14 posted on 07/08/2014 9:53:19 PM PDT by The Cajun (Ted Cruz, Sarah Palin, Mark Levin, Mike Lee, Louie Gohmert....Nuff said.)
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To: RegulatorCountry

Did you see those teeth ?


15 posted on 07/08/2014 9:55:29 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: UCANSEE2

Yes, and to my knowledge teeth are not necessary to scoop fish out of the ocean.


16 posted on 07/08/2014 10:00:37 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry
It’s a presumption or a guess.

20 foot wingspan. Found in ancient seabed. Teeth of a carnivore. Most of the surface of the Earth is ocean. Most birds fly over water and many of them snatch fish from the water.

What would be your guess that it ate ?

17 posted on 07/08/2014 10:00:37 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: UCANSEE2

I would say that it’s reasonably certain to have been a carnivore. Beyond that is guesswork.


18 posted on 07/08/2014 10:02:03 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry
Yes, and to my knowledge teeth are not necessary to scoop fish out of the ocean.

For instance, the pelican.

( maybe back then you needed that kind of teeth to catch the fish or get through it's armor)

19 posted on 07/08/2014 10:04:39 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: UCANSEE2; RegulatorCountry
What would be your guess that it ate ?

With those teeth, don't think it ate fruit or sucked nectar out of flowers............Just guessing :)

20 posted on 07/08/2014 10:11:01 PM PDT by The Cajun (Ted Cruz, Sarah Palin, Mark Levin, Mike Lee, Louie Gohmert....Nuff said.)
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To: UCANSEE2

Or, maybe the remains of the bird predate the presence of the body of water. Maybe it ate marine reptiles. Maybe it merely died in the ocean due to being attacked by a predator while floating on the surface. There is not enough information to support anything beyond what is seen in the remains. It was a carnivore. Speculating about dietary habits is just guessing, with no more factual basis than saying it was green with brown spots and nested in palm trees for camouflage amongst the coconuts.


21 posted on 07/08/2014 10:11:22 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: The Cajun
This guy has been gone for a while.

Still looking for the roasting pan ...

22 posted on 07/08/2014 10:17:48 PM PDT by kitchen (Even the walls have ears.)
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To: RegulatorCountry

“Speculating about dietary habits is just guessing....”

Not necessarily. Trace amounts of chemicals and biochemical remaining in bone not fully mineralized or in mineralized fossils of bone can reveal the dietary composition of the animal’s prey.


23 posted on 07/08/2014 10:20:09 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: kitchen

No bird shot for that thing, strictly 00 buck.


24 posted on 07/08/2014 10:22:24 PM PDT by The Cajun (Ted Cruz, Sarah Palin, Mark Levin, Mike Lee, Louie Gohmert....Nuff said.)
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To: WhiskeyX

There is no indication of such analysis in the referenced article.


25 posted on 07/08/2014 10:24:38 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: The Cajun

The Andean Condor has a wingspan of just over 10 feet and can weigh as much as 33 pounds. Steller’s Sea Eagle and the White-Tailed Eagle both have average spans of well over 7 feet and there among the very largest eagles.

I remember a nature program that talked about larger eagles in Canada, Alaska, and Siberia with wingspans over 12 feet and they went in search of one. Very large Bald, Steller’s, and White-Tailed eagles they found, but no evidence of anything more extraordinary than a condor’s span.

No doubt there were at one time larger species that flew over the earth and they may yet find again and capture some spectacular examples along a desolate coast one day.


26 posted on 07/08/2014 10:29:16 PM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: UCANSEE2

Damn, but those are some teeth!


27 posted on 07/08/2014 10:36:04 PM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: BradyLS
I remember the stories, they had people both in the sky and on the ground seeing them.
It was a hot topic for a while, then faded away, didn't have the staying power of bigfoot, LOL.

Still hard to imagine something that size being able to take off easily considering all the trouble a condor has.

28 posted on 07/08/2014 10:37:03 PM PDT by The Cajun (Ted Cruz, Sarah Palin, Mark Levin, Mike Lee, Louie Gohmert....Nuff said.)
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To: smokingfrog

Bandit! 10 o’clock high!


29 posted on 07/08/2014 10:37:46 PM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: RegulatorCountry

“There is no indication of such analysis in the referenced article.”

The PNAS article is behind a paywall, so I don’t have access to read it to determine whether there is or is not such evidence available. I suspect such evidence is unlikely to be available due to the age of the fossil.

Nonetheless, the morphological evidence clearly identifies the animal as a waterfowl in a genus known to predate upon fish in the marine environment. The pseudoteeth of the fossil are very strongly indicative of a fish catching waterfowl. It also cannot be assumed chemical traces of the bird’s prey will not be recovered at some point in the future, so it cannot be concluded or truly said a fossil of this bird cannot tell us what it preyed upon.


30 posted on 07/08/2014 10:50:07 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: UCANSEE2
With a 20 foot wingspan, the bird would not have been highly agile, able to turn on a dime like today's modern hawks. It would have been mostly a glider, like today's albatrosses. It probably had to dive from cliffs to get airborne with a wingspan like that. These characteristics would pretty much dictate it was a fish nabber.
31 posted on 07/08/2014 11:28:05 PM PDT by EinNYC
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To: Olog-hai
The Giant Claw
32 posted on 07/09/2014 1:22:30 AM PDT by eCSMaster ("It is not the color of his skin, ... it is the blackness that fills his soul")
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To: Olog-hai

At a 21 foot wingspan, we’re gonna need some more sauce for the buffalo wings.


33 posted on 07/09/2014 1:41:29 AM PDT by Flick Lives ("I can't believe it's not Fascism!")
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To: The Cajun
Not impossible. Ever see the teeth of fruit bats, which do both of those types of feeding?


34 posted on 07/09/2014 12:25:12 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; ...
Thanks Olog-hai. It has been a great week for finding potential GGG topics, but a lousy one for my posting them. :'(

35 posted on 07/10/2014 6:15:37 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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What would we do without you? Thank you for all the work you do!


36 posted on 07/10/2014 6:39:54 PM PDT by Silentgypsy (Mind your atomic bonds.)
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Thanks Silentgypsy!


37 posted on 07/10/2014 8:58:37 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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