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Posted on 07/09/2014 6:49:18 PM PDT by papineau

I tried plinking with my new Marlin 795 .22 semi auto about three months ago. Almost every round jammed, I even had to use a clothes hanger to punch some stuck rounds out of the chamber.

Tried again yesterday after a thorough cleaning. Same thing. Thought, "Oh well, send it off to Marlin for repairs". By chance, I ran a few rounds of the same .22 long through a Puma revolver.

Oddly enough, a bunch of the rounds didn't fit in the cylinder.. Now I get it..

I was using Aguila ammo, made in Mexico, bought for real cheap at a gun show. The quality control is crap. I ran some Fiocci and Federal through the 795 and everything was fine.

Bottom line.. Don't buy Aguila..


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1 posted on 07/09/2014 6:49:18 PM PDT by papineau
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To: papineau

Not necessarily true about Aquila. I’ve used it on and off for years w/o incident. Must’ve been a bad batch. Possibly your chamber doesn’t like it but not necessarily that of another firearm.

But, go with what works for you.


2 posted on 07/09/2014 6:54:32 PM PDT by x1stcav ("The past is a foreign country: they do things differently there.")
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To: papineau
I'll go one further. Don't buy anything made in Mexico.

Not even tequila.

3 posted on 07/09/2014 7:02:19 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: papineau

I bought several hundred rounds of Federal .22 about 20 years ago. The quality control was terrible. I would get a POP, POP, PIP, POW, POP,PIP, along with jams on all of them.

It will only work in ONE auto-pistol, jams everything else.

I wish I could find some WINCHESTER .22 rimfire ammo.


4 posted on 07/09/2014 7:04:03 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need more than seven rounds, Much more.)
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To: skeeter
"Tequila you say?"


5 posted on 07/09/2014 7:05:30 PM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard (Asperges me, Domine, hyssopo et mundabor, Lavabis me, et super nivem dealbabor.)
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To: papineau

When I was attending the University of West Florida in Pensacola, I rode my bicycle out to K-Mart and bought my first handgun an H&R 49er.

There was a mom and pop store close to where I lived and they sold ammo. The brand they carried was Eley. I had never heard of it but they assured me it was good ammo and it was.

I have used Aguila before and it was good but I agree with whoever said to not buy anything from Mexico.


6 posted on 07/09/2014 7:07:23 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: papineau

I’ve had more problems with “thunderbolt” brand .22LR than any other.


7 posted on 07/09/2014 7:08:35 PM PDT by dynachrome (Vertrou in God en die Mauser)
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To: papineau

“...Bottom line.. Don’t buy Aguila..”

22 rimfire arms are picky about ammunition. Two arms, right next to each other on the assembly line, consecutive serial numbers and all that, can prefer different brands, bullet shapes, and load levels. And semi-auto arms add an extra wrinkle: ammunition that feeds the most reliably may not provide the best accuracy. This holds true right on up the price scale to the most highly developed premium match ammunition: one gun may like it, the next may not.


8 posted on 07/09/2014 7:19:10 PM PDT by schurmann
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To: x1stcav
Must’ve been a bad batch.

Hope no one ever needs it when in a pinch.

9 posted on 07/09/2014 7:19:40 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: papineau

I have never had a problem with Aguila. I buy it whenever I can. the plant was built in Mexico by Remington and supplies all Mexican police and military needs.

If you got the Super Colibri, it is for practice and primed only with no powder. It cannot cycle a semiautomatic.

If you did get a bad batch, I will not argue. Let me just say that I have not.

Best,

TMc


10 posted on 07/09/2014 7:21:40 PM PDT by TFMcGuire (Liberalism Is Hatred)
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To: papineau

I figured it would be Wolf.


11 posted on 07/09/2014 7:23:29 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Abortion - legalized murder for convenience)
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To: yarddog

There may be a reason for that.....http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eley_Brothers
Thank you for your custom. :)


12 posted on 07/09/2014 7:23:41 PM PDT by moose07 (the truth will out ,one day.)
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To: papineau

I shoot their 60 gr super subsonic all the time. Runs good in AR 15 conversions and the semi pistols I’ve tried it in. Short barrels don’t offer enough twist for the round though. Tumbles


13 posted on 07/09/2014 7:28:28 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: papineau

I probably get a failure to fire maybe once every 2-300 rounds of .22 rimfire. You can take the cartridge out and rotate it a bit and it will fire the second strike almost every time.

I have a French Unique Model L which is one hundred percent in feeding and extracting and it is really accurate for a short barrel. It does misfire more than most, probably about once every couple of boxes.

I don’t recall a single time when a commercial centerfire round failed to ignite.

I have never had any real trouble with any brand of .22 rimfire except the Remington viper with the flat point. I have had that flat point catch on the feed ramp of several different guns. It seems to catch more on my Remington 582 than any other gun.

I even bought a few boxes of .22 mag made in the Philippines and it was fine ammo. It was also a little cheaper.


14 posted on 07/09/2014 7:30:13 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: papineau

I’ve got a 795, put thousands of rounds through it over the last 3 years. More Federal bulk than any other. Nearly flawless, maybe one or two rounds a brick.

Note that Marlin is specific in the manual on what ammo it recommends for this rifle. CCI is one, of course. But I have tried different ones and the only one I had real problems with was Remington. Bought one brick. Wouldn’t feed, wouldn’t eject. Gave up and had to use the whole thing in a revolver.

Thunderbolt, Federal, CCI all fine. Probably also others I can’t remember.

22LR is notoriously inconsistent, especially compared to 2o years ago.


15 posted on 07/09/2014 7:31:31 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ((If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: papineau

You weren’t using Aguila Colibri, were you? Colibri doesn’t have any gunpowder, the primer explosion propels the bullet at a low velocity and won’t cycle a semi-auto. I shoot it indoors in my Ruger Single six .22 revolver. Doesn’t make much noise.


16 posted on 07/09/2014 8:01:35 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: papineau

I’ve got one of those Marlin 795’s and I really like it. It was cheap and never jams. I do have a couple of .22 semi-autos that a particular about what ammo I use. But of course my .22 revolver fires anything.


17 posted on 07/09/2014 8:10:35 PM PDT by BBell (The Blue Dog is Stupid)
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To: schurmann
Please post data from a designed experiment on the subject along with the statistical analysis. Also describe the confidence limits associated with your data. If you can't, then please stop your nefarious efforts to mislead people with unverifiable nonsense.
18 posted on 07/09/2014 10:31:47 PM PDT by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: papineau

I thought I had gotten a great buy on some Aquila 22 ammo after 60 percent miss fires it end up costing me a lot.

I no longer buy Aquila ammo.


19 posted on 07/10/2014 3:01:09 AM PDT by riverrunner
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To: papineau

Cheap ammo is for cheap guns. None of my guns are cheap. that is why I don’t buy it.

I stick with reputable brands. Always.


20 posted on 07/10/2014 5:09:24 AM PDT by RoadieFan
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To: papineau

Tag for later.


21 posted on 07/10/2014 7:56:27 AM PDT by RetiredNavy ("Only accurate firearms are interesting")
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To: yarddog

CDNN had Scorpion in 500 count bricks for $50 recently. Stuff shoots good, and it’s plated.


22 posted on 07/10/2014 8:59:18 AM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: MHGinTN

Yes I get their emails and noticed they had the .22 ammo. The limit of 4 bricks also seemed fairly generous. I think the shortage of ammo may be about to end.

Now the price needs to go down.


23 posted on 07/10/2014 11:34:26 AM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: yarddog

I recently purchased 4000 rounds of Federal 510 for $.04 per round. It shoots great, but you need to use lots of Hoppe’s #9 for clean-up.


24 posted on 07/10/2014 11:41:22 AM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: dynachrome

same here.


25 posted on 07/11/2014 1:51:42 PM PDT by painter ( Isaiah: “Woe to those who call evil good and good evil,")
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To: Buffalo Head

“Please post data from a designed experiment on the subject along with the statistical analysis. Also describe the confidence limits associated with your data. If you can’t, then please stop your nefarious efforts to mislead people with unverifiable nonsense.”

After learning the basics (courtesy of our club’s NRA Junior Shooter program) in high school, I earned a place on the rifle team at a federal service academy.

After surviving until graduation, I embarked on an active-duty career, which eventually spanned a quarter century. Never truly noticed it until Buffalo Head took such offense, but it just dawned on me that I spent most on-duty hours computing or estimating aiming errors, fire control system precision, miss distances, survivability/vulnerability, and weapon systems effectiveness. Studies and analyses were the main job, from the subsystem level all the way up to Joint and Combined projects, at every level of system aggregation and armed conflict to and including major theater. Or higher.

At odd moments, I dabbled in NRA High Power rifle competition.

Since leaving active duty, I have been employed by a major gun parts supplier. We also perform gunsmithing and repair at every level short of manufacturing complete firearms. In that line of work, it has been borne in upon me - on a day to day basis - that 22 rimfire guns are picky about ammunition. So picky, that there is little point in trying to guess in advance, what brand, bullet style, and load will work best. Generalizations rarely stand up.

So I offer apologies to BH and the forum: calculation of miss distance, circular error, and point-of-aim correction did not seem terribly taxing (just to give the sketchiest of nods to the most elementary attributes that might be addressed in an operational test). Other members of the forum are free to plan, carry out, and draw conclusions from their own tests. They are equally free to dismiss all of it as nonsense. Does BH mean to suggest they haven’t the moxie to find their own way through all this?

It’s quite likely that most rimfire gunmakers and all ammunition manufacturers have been conducting tests all along. But they hold the results pretty closely.

Testing costs money, and most of it has to be spent collecting the data - an inglorious truism, an annoying aspect of reality most mathematicians resist. But then, true mathematicians flee from reality every day. The rest of us in the profession are more prosaic, calling such limitations constraints.

No matter what test results a 22 owner can gain access to, each round loaded, each pull of the trigger, is a new event. Some element of the unknown will *always* be present: that’s why any prejudgment of results is probabilistic. No shooter can know in advance until they buy ammunition, go afield, and see for themselves just what their arm and ammunition are capable of.

Good shooting. And do it safely.


26 posted on 07/13/2014 10:17:46 AM PDT by schurmann
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To: papineau

CMP sells Aquila for match and club use. That is all they have.


27 posted on 08/05/2014 10:05:01 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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