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FLASHBACK How Immigration Blew Up on Rick Perry (GOPe views sunk his campaign for president)
NBC News ^ | updated 9/27/2011 | Tom Curry

Posted on 07/10/2014 10:07:51 AM PDT by Cubs Fan

(Perry) came under sustained attack from his rivals...for signing a 2001 Texas law granting in-state tuition rates at state universities to illegal immigrant students.

“If you say that we should not educate children who have come into our state for no other reason than they've been brought there by no fault of their own, I don't think you have a heart.

(Excerpt) Read more at nbcnews.com ...


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KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; heartless; illegals; perry
Just a little Rick Perry reminder for any who forgot.
1 posted on 07/10/2014 10:07:51 AM PDT by Cubs Fan
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To: Cubs Fan

Well, him being an idiot didn’t help.

We could sure have done better.


2 posted on 07/10/2014 10:11:19 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: Cubs Fan
I believe there are 15 states that provide this...."with stipulations", i.e., you must have graduated from a Texas High School, have been a resident of the State for 3 years....etc etc. So it's not like you go from Mississippi to Texas and the next week get Texas in state tuition.

And remember, the Feds say mandatory education for ALL children through 12th grade in every state.

I really don't see the objection.

3 posted on 07/10/2014 10:13:30 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Cubs Fan; BereanBrain; fieldmarshaldj; TADSLOS; Pelham; F15Eagle; bobby.223; Norm Lenhart; Liz; ...
Just a little Rick Perry reminder for any who forgot.

Thanks for posting. Unfortunately many have forgotten. Then there are those who never objected. They are perfectly satisfied with Texas' pro-ILLEGAL alien governor pandering to the ILLEGAL hordes and want him to do the same on a national level.

4 posted on 07/10/2014 10:13:31 AM PDT by South40 (Hillary Clinton was a "great secretary of state". - Texas Governor Rick Perry)
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To: RIghtwardHo
Well, him being an idiot didn’t help.

Maybe he was just on drugs to control pain from back surgery. Either way....

5 posted on 07/10/2014 10:14:36 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Cubs Fan

What does GOPe mean?


6 posted on 07/10/2014 10:15:09 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: Cubs Fan

So, Rick Perry is currently scoring points against the liberals and amnesty, therefore, NBC tries to remind everyone how much the right hated him.

Typical liberal journalism running interference for their masters.

It is sad to see FReepers falling for this.

And before someone runs their mouth, no, I would not want Perry for our nominee.


7 posted on 07/10/2014 10:16:34 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi
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To: Cubs Fan

Illegal immigrants entering Texas’ higher education system are direct beneficiaries of a 1982 Supreme Court decision, Plyler vs. Doe. Parents in Tyler sued after the state began charging tuition for illegal immigrant children. The court ruled that Texas and the rest of the country must educate illegal immigrant children free of charge in public schools.


8 posted on 07/10/2014 10:17:23 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Cubs Fan
Just a little Rick Perry reminder for any who forgot.

Thanks for the needed reminder for the Perry-Bots.

I have been seeing a lot of Perry-Bots profess that Perry will take the lead and "sovle" this border problem.

I have to laugh at these naive foolish Perry-Bots.

We are truly about to lose our Republic and all Perry has done and will do forever is talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk.

To all you foolish Perry-Bots please mark this post. Then come back every month and note what "action" Perry has taken.

If Perry was a true leader then he would call on Texans to prepare to assemble in citizens militias to completely seal the border.

If Perry was a true leader he would order Sheriffs across the State to arrest any Federal official (including black-robbed tyrants) resisting the operation.

To save our Republic our border needs to be completely sealed and all illegals rounded up and deported.

Perry has the chance to be a historic figure. Sadly, I have no doubt he will just be another blathering fool who stands by while our Republic is turned into a third world sewer.

9 posted on 07/10/2014 10:19:55 AM PDT by sand88 (We can never legislate our way back to Liberty)
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To: Sacajaweau
I believe there are 15 states that provide this...."with stipulations", i.e., you must have graduated from a Texas High School, have been a resident of the State for 3 years....etc etc.

In Massachusetts the stipulation says Massachusetts high scholl OR equivalent thereof. You can drive a Dreamer Train through that loophole.

10 posted on 07/10/2014 10:20:17 AM PDT by AU72
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To: sr4402
What does GOPe mean?

The "e" stands for "elite" (or, according to some, for "establishment"). Meaning the non-Tea Party Republicans.

11 posted on 07/10/2014 10:26:09 AM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Pearls Before Swine
Maybe he was just on drugs to control pain from back surgery.

Was he still on drugs when he endorsed for reelection the man who said he was waging war on the TEA Party, Mitch McConnell? Was he still on drugs when he said Hillary was "A great Secretary of State"?

The excuses for Perry's failures to represent conservatives are not sufficient to overlook his horrendous record.

12 posted on 07/10/2014 10:27:04 AM PDT by South40 (Hillary Clinton was a "great secretary of state". - Texas Governor Rick Perry)
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To: Cubs Fan

We are all heartless.


13 posted on 07/10/2014 10:33:54 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Sacajaweau
I believe there are 15 states that provide this...."with stipulations", i.e., you must have graduated from a Texas High School, have been a resident of the State for 3 years....etc etc.

I have a better idea. if they are here illegally, deport them. If their parents are here illegally, deport them. Let them go to college in their own country.

14 posted on 07/10/2014 10:37:17 AM PDT by Cubs Fan (liberalism is a cancer that destroys everything it gets control of.)
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To: Cubs Fan

Perry has a long history of being weak on border/illegals issues. He was always beholden to his big-money, pro-illegals, open-border donors (like the other “Perry,” the zillionaire homebuilder, and the HEB grocery guy). Talks tough, convinces a lot of people, but then does nothing.

Oddly enough, I thought the potential was there for Perry to go against his usual pattern, and take full advantage of the “political opening” created by this invasion, and genuinely take charge, sending the Texas Guard, the militias, and everything but the kitchen sink. It would have shown him as a big can-do “leader” in opposition to Obama, and put him immediately in the forefront of candidates for the 2016 presidential primaries. But he’s staying true to form... talking a lot, blaming the Feds, and not really doing much.


15 posted on 07/10/2014 10:38:51 AM PDT by greene66
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To: Erik Latranyi
So, Rick Perry is currently scoring points against the liberals and amnesty, therefore, NBC tries to remind everyone how much the right hated him. Typical liberal journalism running interference for their masters.

The article is from 2011.

It is sad to see FReepers falling for this.

It is far sadder to see people buying perry's bs line that he is a helpless victim that can't do anything.

16 posted on 07/10/2014 10:41:40 AM PDT by Cubs Fan (liberalism is a cancer that destroys everything it gets control of.)
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To: Sacajaweau
In 1996, Congress passed—and President Bill Clinton signed into law—the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act (IIRIRA). Section 1623 of this federal statute prohibits state colleges and universities from providing in-state tuition rates to illegal aliens “on the basis of residence within the State” unless the same in-state rates are offered to all citizens of the United States.

Today, 15 states allow individuals who are in the United States illegally to pay the same in-state tuition rates as legal residents of the states—without providing the same rates to others. By circumventing the requirements of § 1623 these states are violating federal law, and the legal arguments offered to justify such actions are untenable, no matter what other policy arguments are offered in their defense.

For public colleges, out of state tuition is about three times in-state tuition. If illegal aliens who are not legal residents of the US or the state for that matter can attend public colleges funded by the taxpayers at a reduced rate, where is the fairness in that? And illegal aliens are taking the place of American citizens who could be attending the school.

It is also illegal for someone illegally in this country to work here. So why should we be subsidizing people who can't work here legally. And to make matters worse, many of these Dreamers will benefit from being a minority in terms of admissions.

The bottom line is that it is illegal and the taxpayers are footing the costs.

17 posted on 07/10/2014 10:42:39 AM PDT by kabar
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To: smokingfrog

Plyler vs Doe only applied to K-12.


18 posted on 07/10/2014 10:43:46 AM PDT by kabar
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To: greene66
But he’s staying true to form... talking a lot, blaming the Feds, and not really doing much.

Yup. Perry's long history of being pro-ILLEGAL alien trumps and recent misgivings he may have regarding the current invasion of our southern border.

19 posted on 07/10/2014 10:45:46 AM PDT by South40 (Hillary Clinton was a "great secretary of state". - Texas Governor Rick Perry)
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To: greene66
Good post

he’s staying true to form... talking a lot, blaming the Feds, and not really doing much.

Yep that's exactly what he wants. He wants conservatives to think he's a victim who can't do anything, but sure would if he could.

And simultaneously, by not really doing anything real, he avoids angering/energizing the left against him.

A perfect self-serving GOPe political solution.

20 posted on 07/10/2014 10:50:07 AM PDT by Cubs Fan (liberalism is a cancer that destroys everything it gets control of.)
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To: South40; Cubs Fan; BereanBrain; fieldmarshaldj; TADSLOS; Pelham; F15Eagle; bobby.223; ...

Voters simply will not forgive a candidate for not understanding the ramifications of his words.

Perry’s sneering “heartless” allusion-—indicated he thought he was better than voters-—but it showed his political naivete.

In politics the old adage still apples-—its not about how much voters like the candidate-—it’s about how much the candidate appears to like voters.


21 posted on 07/10/2014 10:56:34 AM PDT by Liz (Another Clinton administration? Are you nuts?)
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To: sand88
Great post!

Perry has the chance to be a historic figure. Sadly, I have no doubt he will just be another blathering fool who stands by while our Republic is turned into a third world sewer.

leadership takes courage, Perry is a GOPe coward who only cares about his political life not the life of his country.

Imagine if the founders of this country had said, "wah wah we have to do what the british say, they're the boss and we can't do anything to stop them."

22 posted on 07/10/2014 11:03:05 AM PDT by Cubs Fan (liberalism is a cancer that destroys everything it gets control of.)
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To: Liz
Perry’s sneering “heartless” allusion-—indicated he thought he was better than voters-—but it showed his political naivete. In politics the old adage still apples-—its not about how much voters like the candidate-—it’s about how much the candidate appears to like voters.

exactly, to sit there and demean conservatives who actually want laws enforced with ugly liberal terminology ended his campaign because it was insulting as hell, and revealing.

But perry 2.0 hopes everyone forgets about all that. And hopes that conservatives will see him as a helpless victim of Obama's non enforcement, who would have done something but couldn't (even though he can).

23 posted on 07/10/2014 11:17:27 AM PDT by Cubs Fan (liberalism is a cancer that destroys everything it gets control of.)
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To: kabar

Yes, but there was every indication that the same ruling would eventually be used by the courts to apply to higher education at state run colleges as well.


24 posted on 07/10/2014 11:21:48 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Liz

He stinks. There I’ve said it.


25 posted on 07/10/2014 11:27:01 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: smokingfrog
Yes, but there was every indication that the same ruling would eventually be used by the courts to apply to higher education at state run colleges as well.

But that hasn't been done so why enact it as governor in 2001? And then when GOOD PEOPLE who care about this country and its borders say hey WTF are you doing? call them "heartless"

Again here is the answer to the problem. if an illegal applies for college, deport them. If their families are here illegally, deport them. Period.

26 posted on 07/10/2014 11:40:40 AM PDT by Cubs Fan (liberalism is a cancer that destroys everything it gets control of.)
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To: Cubs Fan

Face palm!


27 posted on 07/10/2014 12:07:29 PM PDT by lulu16 (May the Good Lord take a liking to you!)
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To: smokingfrog
Yes, but there was every indication that the same ruling would eventually be used by the courts to apply to higher education at state run colleges as well.

Presuming that you have read the actual decision, PLYLER v. DOE, 457 U.S. 202 (1982), how could you possibly come to that conclusion?

The court based their decision essentially on costs to the school district, with the underlying presumption that they would eventually become citizens. The costs were fairly minimal given the small number of illegal aliens. They did not say that every illegal alien was entitled to a public education under all circumstances.

Texas' statutory classification cannot be sustained as furthering its interest in the "preservation of the state's limited resources for the education of its lawful residents." While the State might have an interest in mitigating potentially harsh economic effects from an influx of illegal immigrants, the Texas statute does not offer an effective method of dealing with the problem. Even assuming that the net impact of illegal aliens on the economy is negative, charging tuition to undocumented children constitutes an ineffectual attempt to stem the tide of illegal immigration, at least when compared with the alternative of prohibiting employment of illegal aliens. Nor is there any merit to the suggestion that undocumented children are appropriately singled out for exclusion because of the special burdens they impose on the State's ability to provide high-quality public education. The record does not show that exclusion of undocumented children is likely to improve the overall quality of education in the State. Neither is there any merit to the claim that undocumented children are appropriately singled out because their unlawful presence within the United States renders them less likely than other children to remain within the State's boundaries and to put their education to productive social or political use within the State. Pp. 227-230.

Many believe that Plyler vs Doe should be challenged citing the huge costs now involved. Here is a good article proposing such a challenge:

Are States Constitutionally Required to Educate Illegal Immigrant Children?

28 posted on 07/10/2014 1:37:45 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Cubs Fan; kabar

I’m not saying I agree with it, but that seemed to be the logic or justification for doing so at the time.


29 posted on 07/10/2014 1:47:12 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog

Have you read the decision?


30 posted on 07/10/2014 1:52:44 PM PDT by kabar
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To: greene66
... and the HEB grocery guy ...

Is that Charles Butt?

And is there any chance of his family intermarrying with Houston's Hogg family to form an unstoppable Butt-Hogg dynasty?

31 posted on 07/10/2014 1:53:02 PM PDT by x
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To: Cubs Fan

Thanks for this thread.


32 posted on 07/11/2014 12:37:13 AM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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“Thanks for this thread.”

You’re welcome. I think people should always know the full story. Yes Obama is an evil pig who is mostly at fault here. yes, congress is full of cowards and appeasers on our side who should do way more. But Rick perry could do more too, and IMO his prior liberal sounding words combined with his inaction on this matter should be taken into account next primary.


33 posted on 07/11/2014 10:59:44 AM PDT by Cubs Fan (liberalism is a cancer that destroys everything it gets control of.)
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“..and IMO his prior liberal sounding words combined with his inaction on this matter should be taken into account next primary.

You bet! We need all the info. we can get, so we can select the best candidate possible in the primaries.


34 posted on 07/11/2014 1:27:53 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Sun

There’s a lot of yelling that Perry/Texas should “do something” about the border.

I’m SURE that everyone doing the hollering understands the border.

I’m SURE that they understand that the Texas/Mexico border is 1241 miles long...2.5 - 3 times as long as California, Arizona and New Mexico COMBINED.

I’m SURE that they understand that the Texas/Mexico border is longer that it is from New York City to Topeka, Kansas...or from Jacksonville, Florida to Midland, TX.

I’m SURE that they understand the Santa Elena canyon...where 75 yards separates Texas and Mexico and where 1500’ cliffs are on the opposite sides of the Rio Grande. The Rio Grande that you could wade without getting your knees wet most of the year.

I’m SURE they’ve been there and seen the Chihuahuan Desert and understand the futility of fencing it.

I’m SURE their states have offered Texas some of their own funds and manpower to help seal the border.

I’m SURE they’ve read up and studied on the increased DPS/Texas Ranger presence ordered to the border by Perry/Texas.

I’m SURE they’ve viewed the videos about the air and water equipment on the Texas border....paid for by Texans.

Know what? I’m getting a little tired of people who haven’t been here, haven’t lived here and don’t know anything but what they read/believe casting aspersions on Texans about what we SHOULD be doing, NEED to do, etc.

Before they do that, why don’t they quit their jobs and drive their cute little asses down here and do their part?

Or demonstrate how THEIR state has contributed to the protection of our NATIONAL border?

Or maybe, just maybe, act a little thankful for what Texas taxpayers ARE doing to try to stem the tide...sans Washington, DC.

Maybe that.

Perry’s not perfect. Texas isn’t perfect. But there’s no other state in the Union dealing with this issue at the magnitude we are.

How about instead of bitching, they show how they/their state is doing more than Texans are to try to stem the tide?

No? Then how about a little help?

No? Then how about a little appreciation.

No? Then, I’d appreciate it if they’d shut the hell up.


35 posted on 07/13/2014 5:23:27 PM PDT by Chasaway (Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?)
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