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The American Dream is alive but it will cost you $130k a year
Yahoo Finance ^ | 07/10/2014 | By Nicole Goodkind

Posted on 07/10/2014 2:17:48 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

The American Dream has been a focal point and topic of debate since the financial crisis of 2008: citizens and politicians alike are asking whether it's time to redefine what success looks like in the U.S.

According to Howard Gold, columnist for MarketWatch and founder of GoldenEgg Investing, the white picket fence and security that hard work can bring is still alive, but it will cost you... a lot. In a USA Today article, Gold calculated that for a family of four living out the American Dream costs just over $130,000 a year.

"This isn’t about being rich,” Gold tells Yahoo Finance. "It’s about providing security and a good life for your children and opportunities for your children... this is probably what a good middle class to upper-middle class life in America would cost."

Considering that the average household in the United States makes $51,371 per year, it seems that the dream is unobtainable to most. In fact, according to Gold’s estimates only one in eight, or about 16 million, American households achieve this standard of living.

“A lot of this is subjective,” Gold admits. Costs vary according to location and ideals. "In Indianapolis or Tulsa your cost of living is much lower than if you live in New York or San Francisco where arguably living the American dream would cost a lot more than this," says Gold. “I even got a Twitter comment saying, ‘You should come visit us in Pennsylvania; we’re living the American Dream on $40,000 a year.’”

(Excerpt) Read more at finance.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Society
KEYWORDS: cost; inflation; middleclass

1 posted on 07/10/2014 2:17:48 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Just get 5 part time jobs...Simple...Good luck scheduling the hours...I’m sure the employer at McWhopper will accommodate...lol


2 posted on 07/10/2014 2:21:47 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

I figure part-time is about 8,000 to 10,000 per year at the most. So maybe 13 or 16 part-time jobs.

One friend has a coworker whose husband “works” at Lowes.

They’ve given him as little as 4 to 8 hours per week. A couple weeks ago, the “boosted” him to 12 hours per week.

After taxes, I figure he might have $75-$80 bucks per week. Minus gas to drive there.

Hope. Change. Obama 2008.


3 posted on 07/10/2014 2:26:53 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: SeekAndFind

Where? New York is different than Des Moines. San Francisco is different than Dallas. Seattle is different than Tampa Bay. I could live real well here on $70,000 but would be a peon in Boston.


4 posted on 07/10/2014 2:27:30 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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And my figures are for what used to be regular part-time jobs.


5 posted on 07/10/2014 2:27:58 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
DO YOU AGREE WITH THESE MEDIAN EXPENSES WHEREVER YOU LIVE? OR IS IT HIGHER OR LOWER IN YOUR AREA?


6 posted on 07/10/2014 2:29:35 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You’re correct.
130 grand in a metro on either coast is subsistence wages.


7 posted on 07/10/2014 2:30:01 PM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: SeekAndFind

Highly location dependent. The same house in different places can cost $130K or $900K.


8 posted on 07/10/2014 2:36:14 PM PDT by proxy_user
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To: SeekAndFind
I'll give you a rough estimate of my monthly: Rent (includes water, sewer & trash) $760

Groceries $400-700

Car expenses (2wd SUV and older sedan) $40

Gasoline $150

Medical expenses $300-500 (mine are $0)

Education (no kids) $0

Apparel $150, at most

Utilities $250

9 posted on 07/10/2014 2:36:15 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: SeekAndFind

At a $130,000 salary you pay at least 50% of that to various government agencies through one tax or another. So if you want to NET $130,000 make sure to work extra hard to make up the difference. Millions on welfare depend on you.

Heck. I paid nearly that much last year alone in various taxes and hardly took home anything above living expenses (very frugal I might add). That is a painful check to write every 3 months.

And still, no letter of gratitude from the scumbags that depend on my labor.


10 posted on 07/10/2014 2:41:17 PM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: SeekAndFind

I have a very nice young couple renting a single-wide from me. They have non-skilled jobs at Wal-Mart. I offered to move them into a nicer place for $100 more per month. (I haven’t raised their rent in five years and my costs have gone up.) They have a TV that I can barely stretch my arms across. I’m thinking it cost more than $1,000 but I haven’t owned a TV in 20 years, so I don’t know. They have satellite to go with it. They keep this place air-conditioned whether they’re there or not at 74 degrees. They have two nice, new cars. They can’t pay another $100 a month. I’m thinking that with some careful management of the money they are making they could live much better, but they’ve made poor choices.

For myself, I looked at the $17,000 options and practically burst out laughing. A couple of grand at restaurants? Really? The only time I eat out is when attending meetings and then I eat only modestly priced entrees.

Today somebody in the gym saw me pick a quarter off the floor and asked why I bothered. I said, it’s about not letting opportunities lie unused. It’s a viewpoint that helps you focus on what’s important.


11 posted on 07/10/2014 2:41:59 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Gen.Blather

What’s a single wide?

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12 posted on 07/10/2014 2:43:36 PM PDT by Mears
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To: Mears


13 posted on 07/10/2014 2:47:35 PM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

” I could live real well here on $70,000 but would be a peon in Boston.”

Yep! I rented from 2001-2005. 3brs, $1700.00 a month.

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14 posted on 07/10/2014 2:47:41 PM PDT by Mears
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To: Gen.Blather

If you have been able to keep the same renters in a single wide for 5 years, consider yourself lucky. Even renting at a discount has saved you money over the long run.

Imagine your damages and the loss of monthly rent if you had 7-8 different tennants tearing up the place and leaving you unpaid for months at a time.


15 posted on 07/10/2014 2:47:51 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: nascarnation

Thanks. :-)

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16 posted on 07/10/2014 2:49:33 PM PDT by Mears
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Looking at your expenses for the basic necessities, You live in that part of Texas that is WAY CHEAPER than most other places in the country (comparing that from the list I just posted above ).


17 posted on 07/10/2014 2:50:11 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Mears

half a double wide.


18 posted on 07/10/2014 2:52:32 PM PDT by WhirlwindAttack (I do not advocate the use of violence. It works but I don't advocate it. YMMV Improvise.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Even Des Moines is more expensive, although not massively so, other than heat in winter. We’re on the outskirts of the 4th largest metropolitan area in the US, some would even say we’re in it.


19 posted on 07/10/2014 2:56:48 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’ve been living in Aiken, SC since 2003. Prices here have consistently been 5-9% below the national average. I guess we’re ahead before we start.


20 posted on 07/10/2014 2:56:54 PM PDT by upchuck (The country is being billed for its own execution. ~ h/t: SpaceBar)
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To: Responsibility2nd

“If you have been able to keep the same renters in a single wide for 5 years, consider yourself lucky.”

I kept the payment the same because they keep the place nicer than anybody I’ve had in it. (An older couple got raided by SWAT with considerable damage.)

That’s why when I got a better place I wanted to move them into it even though I’m offering it to them at a lower than going rate price.


21 posted on 07/10/2014 3:00:34 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: F15Eagle
Absolutely, once they pay sky high gas prices, food through the roof, insane rents and utility costs, then throw in all the taxes you're being robbed daily...It makes going to a 15 or 20 hour a week part time job basically a sad joke...

Car breaks down? Ya got a medical issue etc? Tooth hurts?

And some wonder why most stopped buying zip...

22 posted on 07/10/2014 3:00:46 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Mears

“What’s a single wide?”

Bless your little heart! In the land of hushpuppies and sweet tea a single-wide is the bottom end of living conditions. It’s three steps up from a cardboard box. This particular one is on five acres of woods in a neighborhood where everybody curses me as I have the cheapest “house.” A singlewide is a mobile home typically constructed of aluminum. Underneath is dirt where the naked kids play. In the south they come with a case of duct tape in the event you fire your gun inside. (Beer is typically involved.)


23 posted on 07/10/2014 3:04:33 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Gen.Blather

:-)


24 posted on 07/10/2014 3:18:56 PM PDT by Mears
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To: SeekAndFind

25 posted on 07/10/2014 3:23:15 PM PDT by Daffynition ("We Are Not Descended From Fearful Men")
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To: nascarnation
You’re correct. 130 grand in a metro on either coast is subsistence wages.

I tried explaining that to someone when I lived in Albuquerque. I told them that a $50k lifestyle in ABQ would cost at least $250k in the Bay Area, and they thought I was exaggerating.

26 posted on 07/10/2014 3:36:13 PM PDT by Disambiguator (#cornedbeef)
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To: Organic Panic

Same here and everybody should have to write that check every three months. We would live in a changed world.


27 posted on 07/10/2014 3:40:05 PM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“I’ll give you a rough estimate of my monthly:”
_____________________________________________________
I have all of you beat. We live on less then $1200 per month.
That includes rent on beach-side cottage, groceries, utilities, private school for our 3 yr old boy, and transportation. We have no need or desire for a car.
Yes, this is not in Obbumboland.


28 posted on 07/10/2014 4:27:33 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: Sequoyah101; Organic Panic

“Everybody should have to write that check every three months. We would live in a changed world.”

Close to two decades ago, I took early retirement. Our CPA advised me not to work the first calendar year due to a good payout. They didn’t allow us to count the money as salary and to use my 401k.

Our CPA said without the 401k shelter, my new monthly pension, plus the payout that year due to my early retirement, and my wife’s salary, we would be borrowing to pay for our taxes. My wife maxed her 401k and medical cafeteria benefits, and paid her max to her IRA. I took my massive $2,000 IRA limit that year and paid an extra year’s mortgage.

We still had to borrow from my 401K, to pay for our extra taxes for that year.

The next year, I started consulting as an independent contractor. I made what appeared to be good money until we wrote out those quarterly checks for both sides of the SS, Medicare tax, California income tax and federal income tax. We calculated that I needed to write those checks for 60% of my gross to keep from owing more or getting penalties for underpayment.

I had to do a lot of air travel with my consulting. Air travel became worse each day. One day in May 2011, there was a bomb scare at the United Terminal at LAX. There were thousands of us outside the terminal in the street waiting to find out what was happening and later for our luggage.

Fortunately, I used my cell to call the car rental agency to pick me up a few blocks from terminal to get my rental car to go to the Hyatt Regency. I had no luggage nor projectors for the dinner meeting that night I was in charge of. I had on a pair of Croc Sandals with no socks, a Giant T Shirt and a pair of shorts. That was my dress for dinner that night.

During the time on the streets at the terminal, I wondered how many 1000’s of us could get slaughtered if a group of snipers/bombers decided to take us out.

While waiting for the rental car agency vehicle, I called my travel agent. She contacted United to have my luggage sent to the Hyatt Regency.

My luggage with everything including my meds, showed up at 2 am that night at the Hyatt. Fortunately, my dinner guests were under standing.

On the flight home, dear old United tried to have me sitting between two very healthy Samoa lads, who were trying out for the Raiders. After a strong protest, I rode back to the Bay area sitting in a flight attendants’s pull down chair, which is very uncomfortable for more than a few minutes.

The day after my pleasant trip back home, my CPA called my wife and I in. The Clintoons had upped the taxes on brackets like ours. Also, my company would start deducting from my pension, what my Social Security payment would be at age 62, later that year.

Our CPA’s advice to was basically to stop working and delay getting my social security until the next calendar year to avoid getting hammered even more tax wise.

My wife started to argue, and our CPA, a long time friend told her to do what she suggested or take one of some bad options:

1. My wife could quit work to lower our gross income, and that was not going happen.
2. We could go to Mexico or Nevada and get a divorce and file separately. That was not going to happen.
3. Trade my OJ Simpson Bronco in for a cheap pickup with two Homer Buckets. Put my wife in the truck bed with the Homer buckets filled with 20$ bills, drive into a poor section of town so my wife could throw the money out as we drove by the homeless. Have someone video the buckets before, during and after the money throwing distribution for a tax write off. everybody should have to write that check every three months. We would live in a changed world.
4. We could sell our nice home in a great bay area and move some place where it was a much lower cost of living and live on my pension, SS and my wife’s new start over income. That didn’t fly either.

So I took our CPA’s advise and quit working.

So I wrote my last big quarterly check to pay taxes, SS and Medicare and retired.


29 posted on 07/10/2014 5:02:39 PM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Obama's Storm of Illegal immigrants, = new democrat voters and His Katrina Moment!)
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To: Grampa Dave

If I knew how long I’d live I’d probably be retired today. It’s not so much about having enough today under the current, mean or average rates of return it is the certainty that the next few decades will be equally or more uncertain than the last few.

Most people don’t understand consluting. It must cost more than what employees are paid in salary for the simple fact that it is spot market and you have all the employee cost employees do. Most of said employees have not one single idea in their pin heads what they actually cost their employer.

The other problem is that said pin head employees hire conslutants and avoid hiring them or keeping them around or not eventually getting downright resentful of the conslutant because all they see is the invoice and know that their paycheck isn’t that big.

Dolts. Said employees often being dolts, drones, are lacking in specific skills or experience is why the conslutant is there in the first place.


30 posted on 07/10/2014 6:24:25 PM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: Sequoyah101
BOL: "Most people don’t understand 'consluting'."
31 posted on 07/11/2014 5:29:02 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Obama's Storm of Illegal immigrants, = new democrat voters and His Katrina Moment!)
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