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Pro-Lifer Was Assaulted by Pro-Abortion Feminist, But His Response is Priceless
life news ^ | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 07/11/2014 6:11:45 PM PDT by Morgana

The pro-life activist who was attacked by a pro-abortion feminist in Columbus, Ohio this week has a priceless reaction to what happened. He forgives her. That is despite the fact that abortion activist Victoria Duran is defending her actions and has no intention of apologizing.

createdequal5Pro-life activist Seth Drayer was physically attacked (video below) while leading a group of pro-life students in sharing the pro-life message in downtown. The video shows a woman in a Burger King shirt attacking the pro-lifers.

She says, ““You’re just a white f—— privileged racist f—— male who doesn’t stand for women’s rights.” The abortion advocate adds, “No uterus, no right to talk about it. Understand, Mother f—–?”

The abortion backer has been identified as Victoria Duran and she is seen on video yelling at the protestors and kicking down their signs. She told a local news station yesterday she doesn’t regret what she did.

But, in a new interview with Fox News, Drayer forgives her anyway.

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KEYWORDS: abortion; attack; feminazi; hatespeech; liberalbigot; militantleft; prolife
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1 posted on 07/11/2014 6:11:45 PM PDT by Morgana
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To: Morgana

If she hasn’t asked for forgiveness and truly repented his forgiveness is without value and is in fact decidedly an un-Christian act.


2 posted on 07/11/2014 6:13:30 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Lurker

Sorry, but what you’ve said here is simply not true.


3 posted on 07/11/2014 6:16:45 PM PDT by siamesecats (God closes one door, and opens another, to protect us.)
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To: Morgana

Should we expect anything else from a satanic cult vs Christianity?

Pray America wakes up


4 posted on 07/11/2014 6:18:04 PM PDT by bray (Buy my book: http://braylog.com/id47.html)
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To: Lurker

Forgiving those who harm us is un-Christian?


5 posted on 07/11/2014 6:20:59 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: Morgana

http://www.prochoiceviolence.com/


6 posted on 07/11/2014 6:25:36 PM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: Morgana

Not much of a personality, but at least she’s cute.


7 posted on 07/11/2014 6:26:14 PM PDT by MNDude
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To: Lurker

Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.


8 posted on 07/11/2014 6:27:34 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ( "It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.")
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To: ConservingFreedom

THank you!!!


9 posted on 07/11/2014 6:28:19 PM PDT by Morgana ( Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Morgana

The odd thing is that she was in complete denial of what a fetus looks like at 12 weeks old.


10 posted on 07/11/2014 6:30:54 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: Morgana

There is a time to turn the other cheek and there is a time the offender will only learn from facing the unpleasant consequences of their injustices. People like Victoria interpret the charity and compassion of this boy as cowardice, borne of someone who concedes that she probably has the correct opinion after all, so why bother debating her? This will (continue to)be the most common method of the Jihadists, Angry Atheists and Gender Deists. We have to prepare our selves and our kids to push back sometimes. Why should the conservative or christian be expected to accept the role of Whipping Boy all of the time? Sometimes, let it go, other times, stand your ground! Burger King has not fired her yet? Why not?


11 posted on 07/11/2014 6:31:19 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: MNDude

I see what you did there. :-)


12 posted on 07/11/2014 6:32:16 PM PDT by The Unknown Republican
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To: Lurker
If she hasn’t asked for forgiveness and truly repented his forgiveness is without value and is in fact decidedly an un-Christian act.

Do you even know what you are talking about? Maybe you should go back to just lurking.

13 posted on 07/11/2014 6:32:37 PM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: Lurker

Beat me to it. Even God, or especially God, does not forgive without repentance.


14 posted on 07/11/2014 6:33:18 PM PDT by chesley
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To: Starstruck
Made sense to me. What's your problem??
15 posted on 07/11/2014 6:36:10 PM PDT by chesley
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To: Lurker

No.
That’s wrong.
In fact, Christ forgave our sins before we were even born.
He is the example that we are to follow.


16 posted on 07/11/2014 6:38:45 PM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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To: Morgana

Her abortion has made her a very angry person. She needs to find peace with what she has done to her baby(ies).


17 posted on 07/11/2014 6:40:53 PM PDT by uncitizen (Buckle up! We're on the Facism Fast Track!)
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To: chesley
Made sense to me. What's your problem?

Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.

18 posted on 07/11/2014 6:41:19 PM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: Morgana

I think he should have kicked her in the balls. From the looks of her, there’s a better chance of finding those than a uterus.


19 posted on 07/11/2014 6:41:48 PM PDT by mom4melody
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To: Morgana

When I see a FR post about about about abortion I’ll post this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4rJwgAQkSM&feature=youtu.be


20 posted on 07/11/2014 6:46:05 PM PDT by preacher (I am not a global warming hoax denier.)
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To: Lurker
If she hasn’t asked for forgiveness and truly repented his forgiveness is without value and is in fact decidedly an un-Christian act.

His response was kind of sickening, but she is the real villain.

21 posted on 07/11/2014 6:47:19 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (The media must be defeated any way it can be done.)
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To: MNDude

Amazing how the most pro abort women are the ones least likely to need it.


22 posted on 07/11/2014 6:47:51 PM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: chesley

God may not forgive without repentance, but we always ought to because how less perfect are we? We’re also sinners, and we have to set an example of what it’s like to be forgiven.


23 posted on 07/11/2014 6:48:19 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: Lurker

Actually, it has great value — nothing infuriates intolerant bigots more than to be forgiven for when they think that they did nothing wrong and that your religion is offensive. She’ll be fuming. And this will be amusing as she loses it.


24 posted on 07/11/2014 6:51:30 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Rome didn't fall in a day, either.)
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To: Lurker
That's not true. Jesus Christ and St. Stephen (Acts) forgive, and ask the Father's forgiveness on, those who killed them and who did not show the least repentance.

I doesn't mean the person is cleansed of all sin: they can't be cleansed unless they repent. But it does mean the assailant's victim has no desire to obtain revenge, only the sinner's conversion, well-being and redemption.

25 posted on 07/11/2014 6:52:22 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Save us from the fires of hell; lead all souls to heaven, especially those in most need of Thy mercy)
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To: lee martell
You can forgive and push back at the same time. She can be prosecuted for her assault, and still be forgiven.

But if you refuse to forgive, you have already given up Christian faith and morals as taught by Jesus Christ Himself. And if you give up on the precepts and example of Jesus, what do you have left? The other side --- the side of Evil --- has accomplished what they wanted: your eternal woe.

26 posted on 07/11/2014 6:55:04 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Save us from the fires of hell; lead all souls to heaven, especially those in most need of Thy mercy)
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To: chesley

Isn’t Jesus Christ God? He forgave those who did not repent those who were in the act of torturing and killing Him.


27 posted on 07/11/2014 6:56:16 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Save us from the fires of hell; lead all souls to heaven, especially those in most need of Thy mercy)
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To: Morgana
The pro-abortion woman assailant, Victoria Duran, could hardly be called a lady. She was a foul mouthed, uncouth, rude, and obnoxious creature. She was lower than pond scum,
28 posted on 07/11/2014 6:56:34 PM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: IMR 4350

“Need”?


29 posted on 07/11/2014 6:57:13 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Save us from the fires of hell; lead all souls to heaven, especially those in most need of Thy mercy)
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To: MasterGunner01

Tagline


30 posted on 07/11/2014 6:58:10 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Save us from the fires of hell; lead all souls to heaven, especially those in most need of Thy mercy)
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To: Lurker

Thank you. I see you’re being attacked for speaking the truth, unfortunate.

So many here don’t understand forgiveness.


31 posted on 07/11/2014 7:10:32 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: Telepathic Intruder
Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do

Definitely no Biblical scholar here, but I've seen it argued that ignorance of the law or a misguided belief that one is doing the right thing should not be held against you, while overt malice is another thing entirely.

That said, his gesture was noble & an act of turning the other cheek, whether it ultimately has saving value or not…

32 posted on 07/11/2014 7:15:41 PM PDT by mikrofon (Weekend BUMP)
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To: Morgana

This woman has nothing to fear with regard to any man impregnating her. Any man that could afford the price of the drugs to get him that stoned can probably afford a nice looking hooker.


33 posted on 07/11/2014 7:27:06 PM PDT by glyptol
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To: uncitizen
Her abortion has made her a very angry person. She needs to find peace with what she has done to her baby(ies).

Her abortion? Who would even think about having sex with that creature?

34 posted on 07/11/2014 7:28:35 PM PDT by immadashell (The inmates are running the asylum.)
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To: MNDude

“Not much of a personality, but at least she’s cute.”

You need to get your vision checked!


35 posted on 07/11/2014 7:32:25 PM PDT by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED.)
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To: Lurker

Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us.

I ask God most every day for the grace to forgive those who offend and attack me.


36 posted on 07/11/2014 7:32:36 PM PDT by gitmo (If your theology doesn't become your biography, what good is it?)
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To: Lurker

“Father forgive them for they know not what they do.”


37 posted on 07/11/2014 7:54:42 PM PDT by RatRipper (No need to rob others; democRATS will steal and share a tiny bit with you.)
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To: immadashell

I can’t imagine anyone being that angry at someone who disagrees on the issue unless she was invested in a personal way on the issue.


38 posted on 07/11/2014 7:56:18 PM PDT by uncitizen (Buckle up! We're on the Facism Fast Track!)
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To: Telepathic Intruder
Yes, I noticed her saying "it doesn't look like that at that age!! It's just tissue!!" Believed the lies because she needed to, I guess. One needs only google for ultrasound pictures. I have an ultrasound of a grandchild at only TEN weeks gestation. Head, arm, fingers, leg, toes, all clearly visible. Clearly human. Definitely not a "clump of cells" or "mass of tissue."

If she ever wakes up, she could be a pro-life witness to the lies of the abortionists.

39 posted on 07/11/2014 7:58:04 PM PDT by informavoracious (Open your eyes, people!)
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To: Balding_Eagle

So many here don’t understand Jesus.


40 posted on 07/11/2014 8:18:36 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Save us from the fires of hell; lead all souls to heaven, especially those in most need of Thy mercy)
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To: Morgana

One of the things that destroyed America (and was foretold by Orwell & Rand) is the criminalization of everyday unpleasantness.

Technically, what she did was assault. But to get the cops involved was overkill. I really hope they don’t press charges. Not on religious grounds. But, common sense. She’s already been humiliated before the world. She doesn’t need a criminal record for flipping out over an emotional issue.

I really admire the restraint, otherwise. If she was shrieking in my face like that, I fear what I’d do. She was trying to provoke them to violence. Either for publicity, or she wanted a punch in the face to pay for some dental work.


41 posted on 07/11/2014 8:39:30 PM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (Peace On Earth! Purity of Essence! McCain/Ripper 2016)
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To: mikrofon
That said, his gesture was noble & an act of turning the other cheek, whether it ultimately has saving value or not…

Who can argue with that? 5,4,3,2...

42 posted on 07/11/2014 8:47:40 PM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished. It will just take a while before everyone realizes it.)
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To: Forgotten Amendments

“One of the things that destroyed America (and was foretold by Orwell & Rand) is the criminalization of everyday unpleasantness.”

Back in Orwell’s day a woman who did this would have been carted off to a Nervous Hospital and evaluated. Or at the very least her family would have had Doc. Baker make a house call, mind you doctors did that back then.


43 posted on 07/11/2014 9:35:17 PM PDT by Morgana ( Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: luvbach1; Chode

“Who can argue with that? 5,4,3,2... “

Turning the other cheek? I saw the smirk on his face! He was not turning the other cheek, he was being a typical FReeper, trying to see just how much she’d make an a$$ of her self and she played right into his hands.

I still find it noble that he did not strike her like some FReepers wanted. Hey sometimes it’s just best to watch the show and laugh your butt of later.


44 posted on 07/11/2014 9:38:06 PM PDT by Morgana ( Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
That's not true. Jesus Christ and St. Stephen (Acts) forgive, and ask the Father's forgiveness on, those who killed them and who did not show the least repentance.

(I posted on imprecatory prayer which I borrow this from:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3164893/replies?c=60).

Jesus prayed for those who would convert and believe on him, not those who would never in their lives believe on him, and would always in their lives reject and hate him. Such people will never see the Kingdom of heaven and are destined for eternal damnation. Which is what they ask for, they reject God, so they will see eternal separation from God.

Shortly before Christ was arrested, he prayed:

John 17

"5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine."

I doesn't mean the person is cleansed of all sin: they can't be cleansed unless they repent. But it does mean the assailant's victim has no desire to obtain revenge, only the sinner's conversion, well-being and redemption.

Yes, the Bible clearly says that vengeance is the Lord's. So we know that we are not to seek vengeance against someone who attacks us. It also says that the civil government does (should) wield the "power of the sword" for a definite purpose of God:

Romans 13

"1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil."

We know that the Bible teaches that our own physical self-defense is our duty when we are bodily attacked by some random stranger. I found this link to address that topic fairly well: http://www.biblicalselfdefense.com/.

With the altercation ended, do we then forgive the random attacker, that's the question before us. The random attacker is a heathen, since the act is ungodly. Yes, we could pray for the heathen's conversion, but we ought not to leave out that, if God, in his sovereign election, does not save that person, that God would remove them from tormenting Christians, as he would see fit.

We really ought to always be praying for our own relief and the relief of all of God's children - God provides relief from wickedness to the faithful who pray for relief; he hears the prayers of his people. He does not hear the prayers of the wicked, and, when he chastises his children who have strayed from him and have bloody hands themselves, he does not hear their prayers until they repent from their sins:

Isaiah 1

"15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.
16 Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil;"

Isaiah 1 goes on to teach of God's chastisement of his people whom he loves (note the promise of BOTH reward and punishment, which is included with the admonition):

"17 Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.
18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:
20 But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it."

Of course, scarlet and crimson signify sin, snow and wool, purity.

And what did national Israel do to merit such chastisement ?

Isaiah 1 continues:

"21 How is the faithful city become an harlot! it was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it; but now murderers.
22 Thy silver is become dross, thy wine mixed with water:
23 Thy princes are rebellious, and companions of thieves: every one loveth gifts, and followeth after rewards: they judge not the fatherless, neither doth the cause of the widow come unto them."

Of course this was referring to national Israel, but it stands as instructive to all nations.

The following verses then point to the coming attacks of foreign armies against ancient Israel, culminating in the effective divorce that would be occur in AD 70 with the destruction of the temple, and then the New Covenant in which the New Testament Church, the true believers in Christ (the converts), would be God's chosen people, the elect; the bride of Christ:

"24 Therefore saith the Lord, the Lord of hosts, the mighty One of Israel, Ah, I will ease me of mine adversaries, and avenge me of mine enemies:
25 And I will turn my hand upon thee, and purely purge away thy dross, and take away all thy tin:
26 And I will restore thy judges as at the first, and thy counsellors as at the beginning: afterward thou shalt be called, The city of righteousness, the faithful city.
27 Zion shall be redeemed with judgment, and her converts with righteousness."
45 posted on 07/11/2014 9:56:11 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: Lurker

Wrong! I must forgive whether I’m asked or not. I don’t forgive to benefit the person who harmed me. I forgive that person for my own benefit. If I wait to be asked I’ll spend my whole life in resentment.


46 posted on 07/11/2014 10:06:11 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (Liberals were raised by women or wimps. And they're all stupid.)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

“Forgive us. As WE forgive those who trespass against US.” It’s all right there in the Bible. In fact, we’re supposed to forgive 770 times. I’ve never had anyone do something to me 770 times so I don’t know what the commandment is if it hits 771.


47 posted on 07/11/2014 10:09:48 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (Liberals were raised by women or wimps. And they're all stupid.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Yes, Jesus is God. But you’re about to be told that you’re wrong.


48 posted on 07/11/2014 10:10:51 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (Liberals were raised by women or wimps. And they're all stupid.)
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To: VerySadAmerican

And, “Beloved, do not take your own vengeance, but leave room for the wrath [of God].”

Their repentance, or failure to repent, is between them and God. It is not a show for my approval.


49 posted on 07/11/2014 10:15:48 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: PieterCasparzen

Porcupine theology....


50 posted on 07/11/2014 10:16:57 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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