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Weekly Garden Thread Volume 29 July 18, 2014
Free Republic | 7/18/2014 | greeneyes

Posted on 07/18/2014 12:31:17 PM PDT by greeneyes

The Weekly Gardening Thread is a weekly gathering of folks that love soil, seeds and plants of all kinds. From complete newbies that are looking to start that first potted plant, to gardeners with some acreage, to Master Gardener level and beyond, we would love to hear from you. This thread is non-political, although you will find that most here are conservative folks.

No matter what, you won’t be flamed and the only dumb question is the one that isn’t asked. It is impossible to hijack the Weekly Gardening Thread. There is no telling where it will go and... that is part of the fun and interest. Jump in and join us!

NOTE: This is a once a week ping list. We do post to the thread during the week. Links to related articles and discussions which might be of interest are welcomed, so feel free to post them at any time.


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Greetings from our little green acre here in the heartland of Missouri. What a beautiful Day! Unusual weather we are having for July which usually a month of dog days-hot, dry and brown.

Today is a nice 73 degrees with sun peaking in and out of the clouds. Monday we had rain! Four inches of rain, so all the barrels are full, and the pool has been replenished, but not quite full.

The storm lodged over the few Country Gentleman corn plants that I had managed to sprout. Broke half the roots, so I am just going to leave them be and see what goes, it should have been ready to harvest in a couple of weeks. Darn.

On the other hand, Hubby's corn is ready now. He just harvested a bunch, so that'll be my evening chore along with a batch of blackberries and cukes. Harvest sometimes comes faster than a person can handle it, but he'll probably help me with the cukes.

Tomatoes! We have about 10 harvested in various sizes and colors. Eating one for lunch on a salad. Will be having BLTs tomorrow. Loving it all.

Hope ya'll are doing great and having some successfull produce so that you have great eats. Have a good weekend. God Bless.

1 posted on 07/18/2014 12:31:17 PM PDT by greeneyes
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To: greeneyes

BLT BLT BLT.. MY tiny tomaters are yummy, the big ones are still growing,, should get a nice little crop off of five plants.. Some Asian pears are almost ripe too .. Fujis are a couple more weeks at least.. Squirrels have been kind and feasted on neighbors nectarines so far.

Nothing like a BLT.. Or I like a cheese and bacon samwich too.. Salad on the side

Bon appetite!


2 posted on 07/18/2014 12:36:12 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Revolution is a'brewin!!!)
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To: greeneyes; Diana in Wisconsin; gardengirl; girlangler; SunkenCiv; HungarianGypsy; Gabz; ...

Pinging the List.


3 posted on 07/18/2014 12:36:18 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

Garden talk here in Red England indicates that this is a ‘tomato year’...does that seem to be the case around the country? My plants this year are stunning, BUT that may have something to do with the Texas Tomato Food that I am using...


4 posted on 07/18/2014 12:38:10 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: greeneyes; punknpuss

Pinging to the list.


5 posted on 07/18/2014 12:39:42 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: who knows what evil?

Our tomatoes are doing well, but no better than usual, since we learned not to plant them within 50 feet of the drip line of a walnut or butternut tree.


6 posted on 07/18/2014 12:44:53 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

Bush and pole beans doing well along with tomatoes, peas, cucumbers and the corn is looking fine here in the southern reaches of Puget Sound.


7 posted on 07/18/2014 12:46:14 PM PDT by dainbramaged (Get out of my country now)
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To: NormsRevenge

I like those triple deckers called Club Sandwich. In the old days, when I was a girl, it was ham, cheese, and BLT with mayo on toast. Cut into quarters with a toothpick stuck in each quarter.

Then the quarters were turned to sit with the point straight up and chips on the side. Nowadays you get Turkey club etc. on all sorts of bread and arrangements.


8 posted on 07/18/2014 12:49:02 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

Up here just to the southwest of Overland Park, Kansas I’m usually eating my first BLT at this time of the year. Yesterday, my wife and I canned 7 quarts of tomatoes from our 15 plants. This is the first year we’ve canned tomatoes and I can’t wait to use heirlooms in Chili this fall. I may go for canned salsa if we get another bumper crop.


9 posted on 07/18/2014 12:49:10 PM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: greeneyes
hello to all from Southern California! Weather has been cool (Thank God) so our gardens are still really beautiful.

My miniature pineapple lilies, plumeria and mandavilla are all blooming nicely -- until the hot winds kick up in the next few weeks!

I am still fighting gophers, though and can't seem to get rid of them.

10 posted on 07/18/2014 12:50:17 PM PDT by Bon of Babble (Given enough coffee...I could rule the world!!)
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To: dainbramaged

Sounds like some good stuff to eat coming in for you.


11 posted on 07/18/2014 12:50:30 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes; Black Agnes; All

Here’s an astounding article posted on another thread, regarding Government insanity related to the food supply. Leftover apparently from the new deal.

No wonder I can never find tart cherries anywhere. The stores are full of sweet cherries, but nary a tart one to be found.

Thanks to Black Agnes for the heads up.

http://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/20276


12 posted on 07/18/2014 12:58:32 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Starstruck

Wow. That’s really a great crop!


13 posted on 07/18/2014 12:59:58 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Bon of Babble

Thanks for sharing those beautiful pictures. That first one looks a lot like the flowers on my Rosa Rugosa.


14 posted on 07/18/2014 1:01:26 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes; All

In the last 3 days, something has been getting into my tomatoes!! I’ve lost 4 green ones and two almost-ripe ones. I’m fairly sure it’s the crow family that hangs around - I find the tomatoes lying on the ground with the pulp stabbed out of them in a couple of places. I did catch a squirrel yesterday stealing a tomato out of a separate, small kitchen garden - the tomato was about 1/3 as big as he was & he dropped it a couple of times, trying to make it to the apple tree. Although Mr. Squirrel is no longer with us, I found 3 “stabbed” tomatoes again this a.m. I’ve put up a ladder on each 4’ side of the raised bed with a long board down the 8’ length & that is supporting bird netting that we used on a fig bush last year. I had to use ladders because the tomatoes are pretty tall & I needed to get the netting up fairly high. Bricks are holding down the edges. This is temporary until I can get some pvc pipe and make hoops to support the netting. This should happen over the weekend ...... can’t wait (the ladder situation looks terrible, but it works!).

Meanwhile, some “trivia” .... been using a pole tree trimmer & my rope came loose. I couldn’t figure out how to tie it again so I looked it up .... if you ever need to retie a trimmer, here’s a link:

http://www.cnwes.com/cpgl/productimg/200631015544181-1%20.jpg


15 posted on 07/18/2014 1:21:24 PM PDT by Qiviut ( One of the most delightful things about a garden is the anticipation it provides. (W.E. Johns)
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To: greeneyes
Wow. That’s really a great crop!

I know! I'm trying to figure out why. We got a greenhouse last year which allowed us to get an early start this year before putting them in the garden. The weather has been abnormally cool and we have gotten decent rains. I have been doing heirlooms for about 15 years and they are probably 25% larger and much more prolific this year.

I usually separate my seeds according to type and save them. This year when I was finished with cutting then up for the canner I had plenty of seeds and juice left on the cutting board. I decided to let them all ferment together and will try a random planting next year.

16 posted on 07/18/2014 1:28:23 PM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: greeneyes

Hello from Massachusetts! It was a lovely day here as well. Since our recent heavy rains, the bug population has exploded, particularly the deer fly population. Walking up to the mailbox is challenging.

Our lettuce is bolting, as are our radishes.


17 posted on 07/18/2014 1:36:11 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Bon of Babble

Beautiful!


18 posted on 07/18/2014 1:37:07 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Bon of Babble

Gophers can be such a pest! One of the better investments I made for one of my current gardens was to bury 1/2” hardware cloth 18” down around the whole perimeter. I still have to deal with the occasional gopher in different areas though. Bill Murray had it right in the movie Caddy Shack going all out war on the darn rodents with C-4!

My standard process in dealing with them at the first sign of a new mound is to first excavate the new tunnel they made evidenced by the new mound. I do such using a soup spoon, prodding to ‘feel’ the loose soil to determine their back-filled tunnel. I then will place a trap in the excavated tunnel and use a piece if fruit, such as a slice of apple or pear, behind the trap so that the gopher has to push through the trap (and get caught) to get to the fruit. I have a couple dozen of this type trap: http://www.victorpest.com/store/mole-and-gopher-control/0615

The second method I use if the gopher is too smart to get caught in the trap is to once again excavate the tunnel, and then place about a spoonful of gopher bait in the tunnel, covering up the entrance with a rock or something so that the gopher doesn’t just sense that it’s tunnel has been opened up and immediately back-fill, bypassing the bait. I use this brand bait with good results. http://www.solutionsstores.com/mobile/Product.aspx?id=41092

If neither of those two methods work, I then have to go out as soon as it is light enough to see, look for the recent activity, see if it’s hole is still open, which usually means it is not done yet and will shortly be back to back-fill the entrance, and wait patiently with a firearm pre-aimed at the hole. That ALWAYS works but requires patience.

I’m not sure what type snakes you have in your area, but by me there are bull snakes and gopher snakes. I keep a grain bag in the truck and if I see one crawled up on the highway in the evening (soaking up the days residual heat) I’ll stop, catch it, put it in the grain bag, and let it go down a gopher hole near my garden.

I know some people who will only kill the gophers that are actually in their garden. I go further out in the surrounding area since they seem to eventually make their way into the garden. One other method I’ve heard of with good results is to gas the gophers with CO2. I had on friend who was a bit of a pyro who had a blast using Oxy/acetylene pumped into the tunnels and then igniting it....


19 posted on 07/18/2014 1:37:30 PM PDT by Carthego delenda est
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To: Starstruck

I let everyone down. Last year I planted 2 4by4’s in the hope I would be able to grow veggies. I planted tomatoes, cukes, beans, zucchini and beets. From 5 bush bean plants I got a total of 12 beans. I grew 2 beets. At some point I threw potato peels in the compost heap which explains why the only crop I grew was potatoes.

Tilled the soil for this years crop. Had grubs the size of my thumb. Killed them. More compost, some perlite and I was ready to go again this year. Zucchini plants were huge. No zucchini. 1 tomato plant outright died in the pot and the one I planted grew 1 green tomato. Again the beans were sparse. Cukes are in now and big plants, no cukes. Lettuce never bothered coming up.

So, my question is, being in San Antonio, what should I be preparing for the fall season and if I rip everything up now can I start growing anything?


20 posted on 07/18/2014 1:41:37 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (GM is dead and Al Queada is alive.)
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To: greeneyes

We’re very pleased with our garden this year. Strawberries continue produce 2+ gallon a week, beets and carrots are adding to our evening meals as are the Yukon Gold potatoes. Sweet corn will be on the menu by early August. The Humboldt Bay region of Northwestern Calif has a ample supply of water as Ruth Lake was the only reservoir to fill and overflow this winter. We have 2 years of water in case it never rains again and that ain’t gonna happen. The garlic crop was the only disappointment due to the Rust disease for the second year.


21 posted on 07/18/2014 1:46:29 PM PDT by tubebender (Evening news is where they begin with "Good Evening," and then proceed to tell you why it isn't.)
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To: greeneyes

...when I was a girl, it was...BLT with mayo on toast. Cut into quarters with a toothpick stuck in each quarter.

I remember BLT’s prepared that way, too. And, BTW, I haven’t had one prepared in any fashion in ages.

Anyway, all of my stuff is looking real good.

I’ve already eaten lots of Sun Gold cherries and Stupice medium sized tomatoes (first year to try this variety). And my San Marzanos, I hope, will be coming on strong in the next couple of weeks.

With my corn (White Mirani), I hope that I’ll have multiple pickings because I staggered the timing of my planting.


22 posted on 07/18/2014 1:46:59 PM PDT by bluedogpdx
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Sounds to me like you have a nitrogen rich soil. Lots of growth and no fruit. Perhaps you could add some bonemeal to the soil. You may still be able to get some produce off your existing plants if you try applying a fertilizer with a higher phosphate ratio. The fastest way to have it take effect is to foliar feed, directly spraying the solution onto the foliage first thing in the morning. You can use a binder such as yucca root extract (Thermax) or I’ve heard egg whites work well too.


23 posted on 07/18/2014 1:52:20 PM PDT by Carthego delenda est
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To: EQAndyBuzz

You are far south of me and I don’t know if you even get frost. Frost resistant veggies are beets, broccoli, Brussels sprouts, cabbage, carrots, cauliflower, chard, collards, garlic, kale, lettuce, mustard, onions, parsley, spinach and turnips. These make for a good fall garden. The garlic will winter over and be good next summer.


24 posted on 07/18/2014 1:57:16 PM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: Carthego delenda est
I like your style! I have no experience with Gophers but Moles aplenty and have become quite proficient trapping them with a Cinch trap. I had one show up along a sidewalk yesterday morning, set a trap at noon and had him/her by 3 pm… Here is a video setting a Gopher Cinch trap...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQbZ4Z_3uXU

25 posted on 07/18/2014 2:03:43 PM PDT by tubebender (Evening news is where they begin with "Good Evening," and then proceed to tell you why it isn't.)
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To: tubebender

Hmmm… sorry that didn’t hyper link?


26 posted on 07/18/2014 2:04:42 PM PDT by tubebender (Evening news is where they begin with "Good Evening," and then proceed to tell you why it isn't.)
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To: greeneyes
I bought a Nesco food dehydrator this week to get control of all the peppers we're harvesting. For $44, it's a worthwhile gadget.

My first round was to slice a dozen hot peppers in half and place them inside the little basket. Eight hours later, I had hard, crunchy pepper poker chips that will store easily and that can be added to soups, pizza, etc...

27 posted on 07/18/2014 2:08:18 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: Qiviut

Interesting tool. Thanks for the link. We have had issues with squirrels and tomatoes before, but not birds, course, I’ve never really seen a crow here either.

I’ll never forget when my youngest daughter was about 5 or 6 year’s old, Hubby found some green tomatoes with a bite or two out of each one. He accused her of doing it. She denied it.

Then he accused her of lying. I suggested she might actually be telling the truth, since he didn’t actually see her do it. That there really caused a dust up with him declaring that SQUIRRELS DO NOT EAT GREEN TOMATOES.

A few days later, I was sitting at the table looking out the patio doors and I was a squirrel pick a tomato, take a bite and throw it away. I brought Hubby in and let him see the little theif at work. Red - faced for sure.LOL

My experience is that they usually leave them alone till they are more reddish colored, unless there is a scarcity of water. So I try to leave a bit of water sitting in plastic containers so the critters can drink it instead of eating tomatoes.


28 posted on 07/18/2014 2:31:58 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Starstruck

Cooler weather with ample rain is a great recipe for the garden.


29 posted on 07/18/2014 2:33:08 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: trisham

Bugs aren’t too bad here yet.


30 posted on 07/18/2014 2:33:50 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

I hate bugs.


31 posted on 07/18/2014 2:35:23 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: tubebender

Sorry to hear about the garlic, but the rest sounds great. I really need to dig taters this weekend. I have Dakota pearls, butte russet, kenebec, and some leftover supermarket russets that were a little too sprouted to eat.

Hubby has a bunch too. We should be set for the several months anyway on the taters. Kenebec’s are the only ones that I ordered. The others I saved some smaller taters to use for seed potatoes from last year’s crop.

We never get that second batch of strawberries. Hubby has it fixed in his head that they are done in June, and totally neglects them. No water or additional feed. Doesn’t accept that everbearing will really have a second crop.


32 posted on 07/18/2014 2:38:54 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: bluedogpdx

I am going to have to try some of those San Marzano next year. Corn - I love it all, but especially sweet white corn.

I have a basketful to process a little later this afternoon.
It’s white corn, but hubby forgot what the name was.


33 posted on 07/18/2014 2:51:48 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Carthego delenda est

Try This

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeywW7r4LA4

TT


34 posted on 07/18/2014 2:52:21 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (Idiocracy used to just be a Movie... Live every day as your last...one day you will be right)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I love the dehydrator for peppers, and onions and stuff for soups and chili. I usually hook it up at night when the temps are cooler.

I bought one of those veggie gadgets to turn veggies into noodles. Haven’t had a chance to try it out yet.


35 posted on 07/18/2014 2:53:34 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: trisham

Me too.LOL


36 posted on 07/18/2014 2:54:16 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

I have to go do some chores now and give others some computer time. The other computers are in the shop. Be back later.


37 posted on 07/18/2014 2:55:31 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

We have a screened porch which seems to be an ideal place to run the dehydrator unit. Overnight sounds like a good idea.


38 posted on 07/18/2014 4:01:30 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: greeneyes

Hi greeneyes!

Congrats on the tomatoes!

“White Fly” infestation has killed all my patio plants. And it’s screened in!How did they get in?
Grrrr.


39 posted on 07/18/2014 4:29:22 PM PDT by left that other site (You shall know the Truth, and The Truth Shall Set You Free.)
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To: tubebender

Thanks! That trap looks like it works well!

http://youtu.be/hQbZ4Z_3uXU


40 posted on 07/18/2014 4:38:15 PM PDT by Carthego delenda est
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To: TexasTransplant

Yep! That’ll work! Wonder what the unit costs? Might have some friendly fire casualties of melons or tomatoes though...lol!


41 posted on 07/18/2014 4:48:16 PM PDT by Carthego delenda est
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To: greeneyes

We’re doing great here near Philly. So much better than last year.

Tomatoes are loaded with fruit, starting to turn red — I may be canning a bit early this year if everything goes at once! (not complaining) — 2nd round of radishes are sprouting, lettuce is regrowing strong after being cut, peppers doing better. — Already harvested 10 zucchinis (also had to toss a few that had blossom end rot) & there are many more on the way .. will be baking zucchini bread for all! — Plenty of cukes, herbs are strong and we have a watermelon about the size of a coconut — Fun!


42 posted on 07/18/2014 4:56:01 PM PDT by twyn1
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To: greeneyes

Would a dehydrator work to make something like Knorr’s soup mix (that you can make delicious chip-dips with)? I would LOVE that!


43 posted on 07/18/2014 4:58:27 PM PDT by twyn1
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To: Carthego delenda est

Thank you...


44 posted on 07/18/2014 5:02:05 PM PDT by tubebender (Evening news is where they begin with "Good Evening," and then proceed to tell you why it isn't.)
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To: greeneyes

White peaches are sooooooooooo sweet and wife loves them. Guess I need to buy a net to put over the tree next year. Mockingbirds decided they taste goo too. Yellow peaches will be ready in a few days. Still firm but have a nice skin color.


45 posted on 07/18/2014 5:21:57 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: greeneyes

I think Wallace was a communist in FDR’s government.


46 posted on 07/18/2014 6:11:14 PM PDT by tillacum
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To: EQAndyBuzz

***So, my question is, being in San Antonio, what should I be preparing for the fall season and if I rip everything up now can I start growing anything?***

You sound like my daughter who is also in SA. Her garden was filled with Mel’s Mix. she has drip irrigation, and her garden was a total bust. Even her malabar spinach is failing.

All the nurseries have peppers, tomatoes, squash and cucumbers right now. Go for it. Here’s a Garden Calendar with Planting Dates for SA

http://fanicknursery.com/Downloads/2014/Calendar_2014.pdf


47 posted on 07/18/2014 7:39:01 PM PDT by sockmonkey (Of course I didn't read the article. After all, this is Free Republic.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Screened porch sounds ideal too. Wish I had one.LOL


48 posted on 07/18/2014 7:49:27 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: left that other site

I don’t know. Did you buy the plants or start from seed?


49 posted on 07/18/2014 7:50:16 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: twyn1

Hubby didn’t plant any zukes this spring for some reason. Just summer squash. However he told me that he is planting some this weekend.

Turns out that I like zuke pickle spears even better than cukes, so I am looking forward to it for sure.


50 posted on 07/18/2014 7:52:33 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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